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33 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Another way to look at it is that the top 20% own 86% of the USA's wealth, but only pay 73% of the taxes, shouldering the difference on the middle class instead. 

20% of the people paying 73% of the taxes sounds like a lot of taxes are paid by the higher income people.  What do you want?  The truth is people with money invest it in the stock market and corporations creating jobs for the millions of middle class people.  That is what their money does in a capitalist society.  Without that there would be no corporations and no jobs.  That is how capitalism works.  It made America one of the wealthiest and most free nations in the world.  Communists hate it.

Communism or Socialism is a failure and never worked.  It is an evil, diabolical system of theft, brutality, and denial of freedom.  It rewards the lazy and punishes the innovative and hard-working.

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On 1/25/2023 at 7:24 PM, Moonbox said:

That quote was Klaus Schwab (or Uncle Klaus as the conspiracy circus has dubbed him), and you're putting far too much scary emphasis on the wording of a non-native english speaker talking openly to the public.  I suppose you never asked yourself why a supposed comic-book villain (with a thick german accent for bonus-effect) would be openly bragging about his nefarious plans for his would-be victims to hear.  We don't question the conspiracy theories, after all. 

Klaus Schwab does have a thick German accent but if you listen to him speak English he clearly understands and means every word he says. When he brags about penetrating governments and being proud of it, there is no ambiguity.

Don't get me started on George Soros.😒

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22 hours ago, eyeball said:

@ Army Guy, further to this, you are also in the same place as any nut you've posted a like or a thanks to that's repeated similar nonsense.

You folks seem oblivious to how this stuff follows you around and more importantly why.

Thanks for the constructive opinion, I and my staff will take it under advisement for future posts..., I was not aware that the you were made one of the forums content moderators, and judges of characters...once again i will instruct myself and my staff to be more considerate of your sensitivities.

For future exchanges, i might want to add, i am here on this forum for my education, (apparently i need a lot of it,) i am not here to make friends or take long showers with members of the left or those that think they are in the center. I try to keep an open mind about most topics, but being told what topics i can or will be judge on is nothing I am interested in. 

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14 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Thanks for the constructive opinion, I and my staff will take it under advisement for future posts..., I was not aware that the you were made one of the forums content moderators, and judges of characters...once again i will instruct myself and my staff to be more considerate of your sensitivities.

For future exchanges, i might want to add, i am here on this forum for my education, (apparently i need a lot of it,) i am not here to make friends or take long showers with members of the left or those that think they are in the center. I try to keep an open mind about most topics, but being told what topics i can or will be judge on is nothing I am interested in. 

I'm amazed at how these white collar office job types have been conditioned to believe those pesky blue collar types are dirty and destroying the planet. Notice the target always appears to be good, solid middle class jobs ie Farming or energy 

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2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

There's a wide chasm between mentioning the idea and potential benefits of bug farming, vs an actual plan or even a desire to replace traditional farming, especially in places where food is plentiful like Canada and Europe.  Anyone with an ounce of common sense would understand that pushing bugs onto our plates and taking away our BBQs is not happening.  

As I said, this was "mentioned" on the WEF website back in 2016, and for some reason eating the bugs, owning nothing and being happy didn't become THE AGENDA until it was dug up and went viral in 2021.  

Thats why many countries are now limiting fertilizers ( see Canada) used for growing crops becasue of the Large carbon foot print , that is why in Europe they are now limiting the amount of live stock held by each farmer becasue apparently cow farts is bad for the environment, Ideas that have come out of WEF conferences... 

So now your confirming that these ideas are coming out of the WEF... i must say that is progress...All of this is coming out of a organization that does have a huge influence on global governments. It was one of the basic reason why they started this organization was it not...to have some influence on topics they wanted to push... 

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3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Thats why many countries are now limiting fertilizers ( see Canada) used for growing crops becasue of the Large carbon foot print , that is why in Europe they are now limiting the amount of live stock held by each farmer becasue apparently cow farts is bad for the environment, Ideas that have come out of WEF conferences... 

So now your confirming that these ideas are coming out of the WEF... i must say that is progress...All of this is coming out of a organization that does have a huge influence on global governments. It was one of the basic reason why they started this organization was it not...to have some influence on topics they wanted to push... 

He's in denial. We've already established that yes, these kooks have major influence on investment and governance

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11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Your doing it again, man your judgmental today... do you need a hug..

No. Roughly 3 million Canadians need a smack upside the head for being so stupid they've become a clear and present danger, not only to themselves. Hugs aren't what's called for.

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4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Interesting.  Agriculture and Energy employ about 436,000 of the 16 million workers in Canada or about 2.7%

 

And? Good middle class jobs. 

It's higher in non liberal provinces and the economic spinoff from the sector is much higher... other businesses, services, even white collar jobs like accounting. 

An economic war waged against average Canadian by the looney prime minister for not voting for him

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37 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Now we are into playing word games, Yes the WEF is a forum, made up of some very influential people, who according to your suggestions they are not very influential at all...

We're not playing word games.  We're showing the absurd leaps in logic you're taking from "influential people are members of (or even just attend) the WEF" to "the WEF has influence over everything and/or controls our governments".  

37 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

8 predictions for the world in 2030 | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)

Whoops did it again... these must be fake news 

Yes, you did it again.  Congratulations.  You took a video from 2016 making predictions for 2030, and conflated it into a farcical claim that this is not only the WEF's formal agenda, but one that global leaders have adopted. 

A few problems:

1)  Halfway to 2030 from that video's publication, global meat consumption is up.  Since the WEF is so influential, and since this is its goal, I don't know how this is possible. 

2)  Especially after the Ukraine invasion, US power has been cemented and affirmed.  Russia's been revealed as a hollow power.  China's headed for demographic and economic crisis.  If this is the WEF's agenda, (which makes no sense considering how many of the Davos men and women have benefited from US hegemony), then why isn't this playing out?  

2) Most of the predictions don't even constitute goals.  Western Values will be tested to breaking?  That's what the WEF wants, or what some of its members predicted in 2016?  We're going to print organs?  That's their agenda, or an optimistic hope?  Same with Mars?  

Think about these things before you jump on the bandwagon and start shouting angrily.  

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Strange - there were no jobs before corporations ?
 

I never said there were no jobs before corporations.  Of course there were lots of jobs but not because of Communism.  Before the industrial age, people worked at farming, labour, hunting, fishing, trapping, and whatever else they could to survive.  I don't know when corporations got started but they created a lot of jobs, were more efficient than individuals working alone, and produced goods in large quantities.  Corporations are good thing contrary to the NDP Socialist ideology of the greedy corporations.  If the NDP ever formed the government, it would be a total disaster.  People who support Socialism or Communism are so naive.

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Thats why many countries are now limiting fertilizers ( see Canada) used for growing crops becasue of the Large carbon foot print 

Again, no.  

Canada hasn't limited fertilizers (setting goals to reduce usage, rather than mandates).  Farmers around the world are generally some combination of careless or uneducated on how to properly apply fertilizers, seemingly figuring more = better when that's only not true, but also often harmful for soil quality and water tables.  

As an example, fertilizer use went up by 70% in Canada from 2005-2019, but not our output nor our farmed land area.  

So...once again, you've taken up the cry about bad Trudeau man or the Liberals or environmentalists, but you don't seem to know anything about it.  What you probably also don't know is that leading the outrage over fertilizer reduction GOALS (again, not mandates) are lobby groups like Fertilizer Canada, who no doubt don't like the idea of farmers being taught to get better results with less fertilizer, or of large government grants/programs to educated them.  Just a thought, if we're talking about "influence".    🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Interesting.  Agriculture and Energy employ about 436,000 of the 16 million workers in Canada or about 2.7%

 

The oil and gas energy industry in 2017 supported 533,000 workers across Canada.  This is not counting the agricultural industry.

How many jobs does Canadian oil and natural gas support? - Context Magazine by CAPP

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Its not only the energy industry under attack by environmentalists and the federal liberal and NDP, but in B.C. the forest industry is under attack by environmentalists, the federal government, and the provincial government.

The federal government has designated areas of B.C. for no logging to protect caribou herds.  The provincial government under pressure from environmental organizations has been cutting back on the AAC (annual allowable cut) in the coastal areas of the province and creating more preserved areas.   Sawmills and pulp mills have been shutting down for some time and just now a couple more big sawmills are shutting down, one in Houston, B.C. where 300 workers will lose their jobs.  Prince George just announced they are shutting down their pulp mill. This is a disaster for hundreds of families in B.C. who are losing their livelihood and harming the economy.

 

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5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Again, no.  

First, Canada hasn't limited fertilizers (setting goals to reduce usage, rather than mandates).  Farmers around the world are generally some combination of careless or uneducated on how to properly apply fertilizers, seemingly figuring more = better when that's only not true, but also often harmful for soil quality and water tables.  

As an example, fertilizer use went up by 70% in Canada from 2005-2019, but not our output nor our farmed land area.  

So...once again, you've taken up the cry about bad Trudeau man or the Liberals or environmentalists, but you don't seem to know anything about it.  What you probably also don't know is that leading the outrage over fertilizer reduction GOALS (again, not mandates) are lobby groups like Fertilizer Canada, who no doubt don't like the idea of farmers being taught to get better results with less fertilizer, or of large government grants/programs to educated them.  Just a thought, if we're talking about "influence".    🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

Reduce by implementing tax's similar to carbon taxes which have a stellar record so far...Nice painting farmers as uneducated or not knowing how to fertilize their own crops. Are you an expert on farming, or read a few clips on the intra net...

Farming is a business, one that is expensive with not much room for profit unless your one of the large cooperation's, with a good majority struggling to make ends meet and your suggesting that they over fertilize their crops because they are to stupid to understand the basics of growing things.... And we are suppose to trust the government to tell them how much to fertilize their crops... keep reaching...

I thought we were talking about the WEF, try to stay focused...and how much they are influencing our government, and others around the global...

 

  

 

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

No. Roughly 3 million Canadians need a smack upside the head for being so stupid they've become a clear and present danger, not only to themselves. Hugs aren't what's called for.

I'll pass this along to the complaint department, no more hugs got ya... 

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16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The oil and gas energy industry in 2017 supported 533,000 workers across Canada.  This is not counting the agricultural industry.

How many jobs does Canadian oil and natural gas support? - Context Magazine by CAPP

"supported" ?  No... employed.  

https://energy-information.canada.ca/en/subjects/energy-and-employment so the number is   280,665

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1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

We're not playing word games.  We're showing the absurd leaps in logic you're taking from "influential people are members of (or even just attend) the WEF" to "the WEF has influence over everything and/or controls our governments".  

Yes, you did it again.  Congratulations.  You took a video from 2016 making predictions for 2030, and conflated it into a farcical claim that this is not only the WEF's formal agenda, but one that global leaders have adopted. 

A few problems:

1)  Halfway to 2030 from that video's publication, global meat consumption is up.  Since the WEF is so influential, and since this is its goal, I don't know how this is possible. 

2)  Especially after the Ukraine invasion, US power has been cemented and affirmed.  Russia's been revealed as a hollow power.  China's headed for demographic and economic crisis.  If this is the WEF's agenda, (which makes no sense considering how many of the Davos men and women have benefited from US hegemony), then why isn't this playing out?  

2) Most of the predictions don't even constitute goals.  Western Values will be tested to breaking?  That's what the WEF wants, or what some of its members predicted in 2016?  We're going to print organs?  That's their agenda, or an optimistic hope?  Same with Mars?  

Think about these things before you jump on the bandwagon and start shouting angrily.  

Yes you are twisting words around as you see fit, how about using them in the same context as i was...

Just minutes ago you refused they even existed, now they are just predictions, predictions on how they want to see the world in 2030... why even put them out there if they were so far out there... is that an act that normal organization put out there, or is it just to feed the theories you talk about...Cause it adds nothing to their credibility...

Are you denying there is not one global leader that has not adopted any of the WEF ideas or programs...Justin has been copying them for a while now, and just down south has brought in the same type of programs under the same names. And yes i would say he is an idio* as well. 

WOW meat consumption is up, would have nothing to do with there being more people on the planet...and how do you explain what is happening in Europe right now with restricting how many farm animals they can process, becasue of COW FAR*S...

This is how our conversation typical end...you shouting me or anyone that has a difference of opinion down, then directing them to STF* and accuse them of shouting from the roof tops, i think if you read any of my posts thats not what i am doing. at all. .. you just can not help yourself, and can not believe someone can have a different opinion...or interest...

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17 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Reduce by implementing tax's similar to carbon taxes which have a stellar record so far...

Are you an expert on farming, or read a few clips on the intra net...

What taxes are those?  Any references?  I can't find anything about them.  🤔

31 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Nice painting farmers as uneducated or not knowing how to fertilize their own crops

Most of them don't, at least beyond liberally spraying their fields with as much as they feel they can afford.  

36 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Are you an expert on farming, or read a few clips on the intra net...

Am I an expert?  Obviously not.  Do I live 5 minutes away from the Ontario Agriculture College (world renowned) and do I spend a lot of my time with farmers and agriculture researchers?  Yes.  Does that mean I've at least enough knowledge to be able to respond to comments from people who have none?  You'll decide for yourself, I'm sure 🙃.  

45 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I thought we were talking about the WEF, try to stay focused...and how much they are influencing our government, and others around the global...

That's an interesting thought, considering you brought this up.  😐

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55 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You don’t want caribou herds in the future?

We can have some but we don't need to obey the environmentalist radicals who want to stop logging altogether.  We also don't need a group of elites back in Ottawa, Montreal, and Toronto telling us in B.C. to protect more caribou by banning logging in more areas.   They should butt out and keep their long noses to themselves.  B.C. can decide itself what wildlife to protect and how much.  That is B.C. jurisdiction, not federal.

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