OftenWrong Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Then why doesn't he explain specifically what he's talking about? It's been explained to you. I asked you to view the second link about globalism, among other things. Yet you didn't, you reject the claims then when I show you someone else who's credible, you're back to asking what he's talking about. #circle-jerk #useless conversation Edited January 23, 2023 by OftenWrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: It's been explained to you. I asked you to view the second link about globalism, among other things. Yet you didn't, you reject the claims then when I show you someone else who's credible, you're back to asking what he's talking about. #circle-jerk #useless conversation Sorry I only looked at the first link. All the criticisms I read are generally about the influence of multinationals. That's fine, and I agree that they have far too much influence. But that's not really what's going on with this criticism here. All the criticism of this is related to g7 protests and leftist criticism of the elite. Do we really think that the conservatives are lining up with that? It's a very generalized call to nationalism, and it's done for an audience that is suspicious of international cooperation. What specifically is going to be done to keep multinationals out of canada? Is someone going to nationalize the energy industry that's 70% foreign owned? Why is the energy industry always suspiciously left out of discussions about the international elite? I'll try and find the second link now. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Moonbox said: Man, the idea of people not being allowed to insult each other on an anonymous internet forum REALLY upset you, didn't it? Why don't you bring it up some more? ?? I did what? You just got played, sucka. Pimp the pimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Yes, well they're there so who's to tell them they can't meet offsite? Secret meetings happen in Ottawa too. 2. Such as? 1. But you suggested everything is on camera which isn't true. 2. That's already been (attempted to) discussed already but you refuse to watch clips from the meetings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Secret meetings happen in Ottawa too. Ottawa is the seat of our government. We elected them The WEF is not our government. We did not elect them. 3 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Goddess said: Ottawa is the seat of our government. We elected them The WEF is not our government. We did not elect them. Neither is the UN. Neither are the uncountable number of international associations, lectures, groups and such that we belong to and attend regularly for environment, economic development, trade and on and on and on. Somebody started a meme about WEF for some reason and people are seizing on that one. Why ? Yes, I know they have influence. So does UNESCO, the WTO, the UN, USMCA, ... Is it Climate Change that bothers you ? Other than that, the only thing I get out of the criticism is that Corporations have influence, maybe too much. The G7 protests in the 1990s brought this to the public imagination: do you remember kids with bandanas and pink hair getting tear gassed by the riot squads in Seattle ? Were you on their side ? 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, West said: 1. But you suggested everything is on camera which isn't true. 2. That's already been (attempted to) discussed already but you refuse to watch clips from the meetings... 1. The WEF meetings themselves are. If you are in town and, say, the French Defense minister is there too - why wouldn't you reach out if you had something to discuss ? As far as I can tell that's what we're talking about. There is plenty of publicity about this meeting, so if they wanted to keep it secret maybe they shouldn't invite 100s of journalists ? 2. I reviewed the two links provided that I have seen: 1 - Rex Murphy spending many paragraphs telling me that people who care about the environment really only want to control you. So if there is actually an environmental problem... who do you go to ? Maybe the oil industry that pays Rex I guess. 2 - The criticism that there's too much influence. Yes, I agree with that but I have commented elsewhere. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Goddess said: Ottawa is the seat of our government. We elected them The WEF is not our government. We did not elect them. and the WEF doesn't run our government, therefore this point is completely irrelevant. You might as well be complaining about which Church our MPs belong to, because we didn't elect those churches and they influence our leaders. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Somebody started a meme about WEF for some reason and people are seizing on that one. Why ? Acronyms, especially if they're three-letter acronyms. Acronyms are bad m'kay. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: Neither is the UN. Neither are the uncountable number of international associations, lectures, groups and such that we belong to and attend regularly for environment, economic development, trade and on and on and on. Somebody started a meme about WEF for some reason and people are seizing on that one. Why ? Yes, I know they have influence. So does UNESCO, the WTO, the UN, USMCA, ... Is it Climate Change that bothers you ? Other than that, the only thing I get out of the criticism is that Corporations have influence, maybe too much. The G7 protests in the 1990s brought this to the public imagination: do you remember kids with bandanas and pink hair getting tear gassed by the riot squads in Seattle ? Were you on their side ? The issue with the UN has already been brought up in the same discussion as the WEF. -Agenda 2030 -Sustainable Development -ESG investing -Stakeholder Capitalism Etc it ALL falls under the same umbrella. Selling out national sovereignty to foreign unaccountable entities, whether that be multinational corps, the United Nations etc.. thats at the heart of the criticism.. Has nothing to do with a "cabal' or "free masons" or whatever other bullshit you folks try and throw in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. The WEF meetings themselves are. If you are in town and, say, the French Defense minister is there too - why wouldn't you reach out if you had something to discuss ? As far as I can tell that's what we're talking about. There is plenty of publicity about this meeting, so if they wanted to keep it secret maybe they shouldn't invite 100s of journalists ? 2. I reviewed the two links provided that I have seen: 1 - Rex Murphy spending many paragraphs telling me that people who care about the environment really only want to control you. So if there is actually an environmental problem... who do you go to ? Maybe the oil industry that pays Rex I guess. 2 - The criticism that there's too much influence. Yes, I agree with that but I have commented elsewhere. 1. I don't get your point. Perhaps we agree that lobbying is an issue that should be done in public... especially when it involves politicians.. then again you have some multinational companies that carry much larger asset portfolios than the government of Canada's budget so we are sort of small potatoes anyway... I would imagine some of this stuff should violate anti trust laws but imagine that's the point in having politicians involved. We saw it with covid where companies did the dirty work of governments under their protection. 2. The issue is selling out the soul of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, West said: The issue with the UN has already been brought up in the same discussion as the WEF. -Agenda 2030 -Sustainable Development -ESG investing -Stakeholder Capitalism Etc it ALL falls under the same umbrella. Selling out national sovereignty to foreign unaccountable entities, whether that be multinational corps, the United Nations etc.. thats at the heart of the criticism.. Has nothing to do with a "cabal' or "free masons" or whatever other bullshit you folks try and throw in there Right. So, you mix some legitimate concerns about the concentration of power with some hardcore conspiracy stuff. Here's the thing: nothing these people do is BINDING. Governments have to sell any policy at home and get elected on it. Anything else ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Right. So, you mix some legitimate concerns about the concentration of power with some hardcore conspiracy stuff. Here's the thing: nothing these people do is BINDING. Governments have to sell any policy at home and get elected on it. Anything else ? Oh Michael, the paranoia runs deep. The conspiracy runs deeper. Yet, they keep on doing what they have always done....as much as they cry, things remain the same LOL Quote The truth does not require participation to exist. Bullshit does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Right. So, you mix some legitimate concerns about the concentration of power with some hardcore conspiracy stuff. Here's the thing: nothing these people do is BINDING. Governments have to sell any policy at home and get elected on it. Anything else ? What is "conspiracy stuff"? Seems to be a blanket statement you use. And yes, lots of stuff at the UN is binding... same with contracts... Edited January 23, 2023 by West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, West said: What is "conspiracy stuff"? Seems to be a blanket statement you use. Agenda 2030 Isa bundle of ideas, carried forward from Agenda 21. We were scare mongered on that. It came to nothing, didn't it? Sustainable Development... What is the issue with that? Is unsustainable development preferable? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Sustainable Development... What is the issue with that? Is unsustainable development preferable? There's a lot of stupidity around that - the idea that ESG, stakeholder capitalism and sustainability are codewords for DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY. West apparently went to "business school" or at least took classes and learned about these, but somehow doesn't actually know anything about them beyond his usual hysterics. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Agenda 2030 Isa bundle of ideas, carried forward from Agenda 21. We were scare mongered on that. It came to nothing, didn't it? Sustainable Development... What is the issue with that? Is unsustainable development preferable? Sustainable Development is a conspiracy theory? https://www.un.org/en/sustainable-development-goals Agenda 2030 is a conspiracy theory? https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda ESG investment is a conspiracy theory? https://www.rbcgam.com/en/ca/about-us/responsible-investment/?utm_dc=ga_SEG_1591924734_96750851246_623551894035_aud-1014319794123:kwd-299973852369_m_g_&gclid=Cj0KCQiA_bieBhDSARIsADU4zLcw1o75a3orrhwB9Y77D9nvLYBXMTOcz6NIwji9Ms-yUbwcSfVHn8caAsytEALw_wcB ?... okay Mike.. quick Google search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, Moonbox said: West apparently went to "business school" or at least took classes and learned about these, but somehow doesn't actually know anything about them beyond his usual hysterics. Whatever... let's at least follow this discussion train to the 'agree to disagree' station. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, West said: Sustainable Development is a conspiracy theory? https://www.un.org/en/sustainable-development-goals Agenda 2030 is a conspiracy theory? https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda ESG investment is a conspiracy theory? https://www.rbcgam.com/en/ca/about-us/responsible-investment/?utm_dc=ga_SEG_1591924734_96750851246_623551894035_aud-1014319794123:kwd-299973852369_m_g_&gclid=Cj0KCQiA_bieBhDSARIsADU4zLcw1o75a3orrhwB9Y77D9nvLYBXMTOcz6NIwji9Ms-yUbwcSfVHn8caAsytEALw_wcB ?... okay Mike.. quick Google search Nobody said those are conspiracy theories. Your ridiculous narratives about them are. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, West said: 1. Sustainable Development is a conspiracy theory? https://www.un.org/en/sustainable-development-goals 2.Agenda 2030 is a conspiracy theory? https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda 3. ESG investment is a conspiracy theory? https://www.rbcgam.com/en/ca/about-us/responsible-investment/?utm_dc=ga_SEG_1591924734_96750851246_623551894035_aud-1014319794123:kwd-299973852369_m_g_&gclid=Cj0KCQiA_bieBhDSARIsADU4zLcw1o75a3orrhwB9Y77D9nvLYBXMTOcz6NIwji9Ms-yUbwcSfVHn8caAsytEALw_wcB ?... okay Mike.. quick Google search 1. 2. 3. Yes. It's the name of a conspiracy theory under that title. Just remind me before we end this - what is wrong with sustainable development ? Edited January 23, 2023 by Michael Hardner Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, Moonbox said: There's a lot of stupidity around that - the idea that ESG, stakeholder capitalism and sustainability are codewords for DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY. West apparently went to "business school" or at least took classes and learned about these, but somehow doesn't actually know anything about them beyond his usual hysterics. Again... you are making sh^t up about what I actually Said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. 2. 3. Yes. It's the name of a conspiracy theory uner that title. Just remind me before we end this - what is wrong with sustainable development ? There is no conspiracy theory Mike. Agenda 2030 is right on their website... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, West said: There is no conspiracy theory Mike. Agenda 2030 is right on their website... And yet the claim is that they're going to do something else other than what it says, right? 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, West said: Again... you are making sh^t up about what I actually Said. Gosh, I must have misread: Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 As for what's wrong with it, on its surface, nothing is wrong with it. Dig a little deeper to the issues: Environment - Forcing energy workers into poverty through elimination of jobs. Social- race/gender based hiring, threats to diversity of thought creating a group think mentality, corporate nazism where intolerance for diverging views exists Etc etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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