'Merica officially becomes Venezuela: Maralogo raided by Biden's goon squad

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

People can make up their own minds. When it comes to the rules around undue influence, often the statutes indicate that the appearance of harassment must be avoided. This is before the courts in georgia, so we'll see as they say

how many times do you have to be wrong about Trump being a criminal

before you realize you aren't a good judge about whether Trump committed a crime?

you've cried wolf on this so many times, when there has been no wolf, that your opinion has no credibility whatsoever

you could at least have the humility to admit your bias blinds you when it comes to Trump

instead of insisting your judgment of him is impeccable

Edited August 25, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1. how many times do you have to be wrong about Trump being a criminal

2. you could at least have the humility to admit your bias blinds you when it comes to Trump

instead of insisting your judgment of him is impeccable

1. I don't think that I stated definitely that he IS a criminal.  I would retract that pending court decision.

2. I have already done so.

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. I have already done so.

I must have missed it

because all I see is you continuing to latch on to every "Trump is done now" narrative the media runs with

and you criticizing the retorts of those who have a perfect track record of predicting these narratives are obvious wishful thinking by Trump haters

you don't really seem to care how many times you fall for this trap

because you keep falling for them ever so enthusiasticly

Edited August 25, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

31 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1. I must have missed it

2. because all I see is you continuing to latch on to every "Trump is done now" narrative the media runs with

3 and you criticizing the retorts 

1. Seems so.

2. No, were talking about whether he's guilty, not "done".  And I don't think I have definitely said either of these things.

3. The pro Trump people who post on here often need a reality check.  Also thry post like they're lawyers not individuals.

 

[I am Groot]

On 8/22/2022 at 7:29 PM, WestCanMan said:

You're so wrong it's hilarious.

A quick Google search will show you 100 links proving that McCabe was fired, he even had to sue to get his pension, and that Clinesmith pleaded guilty to lying to the FISA court.

Its bizarre that you would chime in here just to be so utterly wrong, over and over again. 

Hmm, well, to begin with I never disputed they were fired. I simply disputed that any FBI agent had been convicted of anything. And they weren't.  The FBI lawyer, Cinesworth was, but got no jail time and the judge said he agreed that the change made to an email was not done with any political motivation, and that he sincerely believed what he had put in was correct and would simply save some time. So you haven't actually shown me to be wrong about anything, but rather supported my original statement that you discuss things in a very immature manner.

But Boasberg also said he agreed with a prior finding by the Justice Department Inspector General that Clinesmith and other FBI officials’ actions were not motivated by political bias, and he believed Clinesmith’s contention that he thought, genuinely but wrongly, the information he was inserting into the email was accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/kevin-clinesmith-fbi-john-durham/2021/01/28/b06e061c-618e-11eb-afbe-9a11a127d146_story.html

[I am Groot]

On 8/23/2022 at 11:11 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

and those Republicans are the bad Republicans

the ones who did such a bad job, that Trump took over with ease

siding with Mitt Romney, John McCain and Jeb Bush over Donald Trump, Rand Paul and Ron DeSantis is asinine

Some of us are so old fashioned we value intelligence, integrity and honesty over demagoguery, lies and insults.

[I am Groot]

On 8/22/2022 at 6:31 PM, Nationalist said:

Lol...with your 2000 mules?

Without those stupid mail in ballots and lack of ID...I think the dums are screwed.

No one has found anything fraudulent about the last election. And certainly not for want of trying. The closest anyone has found to an attempt at major fraud was when one of the candidates and his allies browbeat an election official to 'find them' an extra eleven thousand votes.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

No one has found anything fraudulent about the last election. And certainly not for want of trying. The closest anyone has found to an attempt at major fraud was when one of the candidates and his allies browbeat an election official to 'find them' an extra eleven thousand votes.

Lol...that election was crooked as hell and your vehement denial only helps solidify that conclusion.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...that election was crooked as hell and your vehement denial only helps solidify that conclusion.

Ah, no but delusion on. Trump lost by over 7 million votes. Reality bights, unless you don't live there.

[herbie]

On 8/18/2022 at 9:10 PM, West said:

Sorta like how Biden vowed to end "Covid" but more have died under his presidency than under Trump?

Should follow that "Keep silent and thought a fool" advice and understand posting utter f**king lies all the time makes it even worse when you speak up.

[herbie]

[West]

18 minutes ago, herbie said:

Should follow that "Keep silent and thought a fool" advice and understand posting utter f**king lies all the time makes it even worse when you speak up.

Not a lie.. you can even look at the numbers. Biden's a joke. 

[Yzermandius19]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Some of us are so old fashioned we value intelligence, integrity and honesty over demagoguery, lies and insults.

if so

than why would you support Romney, McCain and Bush over Trump, Paul and DeSantis?

the former group are aren't as intelligent, they have less integrity, and are far less honest

and they are the far bigger demagogues and liars

Edited August 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

50 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Ah, no but delusion on. Trump lost by over 7 million votes. Reality bights, unless you don't live there.

Trump lost by 43,000 votes across only 3 states

the popular vote does not win a presidential election

[Aristides]

26 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Trump lost by 43,000 votes across only 3 states

the popular vote does not win a presidential election

So? He lost. Suck it up Buttercup.

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So? He lost. Suck it up Buttercup.

So you claimed he lost by 7 million votes

which was incorrect

if you don't think him losing by "7 million votes" was a good rebuttal

then why did you lead with that?

you are moving the goalposts

Edited August 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

So you claimed he lost by 7 million votes

which was incorrect

if you don't think him losing by "7 million votes" was a good rebuttal

then why did you lead with that?

you are moving the goalposts

Whatever. HE LOST!

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Whatever. HE LOST!

so?

he's coming back in 2024

Grover Cleveland 2.0

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Trump lost by 43,000 votes across only 3 states

the popular vote does not win a presidential election

Hillary lost by a similarly small margin, I don’t recall you making such a distinction then. 

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Hillary lost by a similarly small margin, I don’t recall you making such a distinction then. 

Hillary lost by 78,000 votes across three states

I never said it wasn't close, or denied the above stat

Edited August 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Aristides said:

Ah, no but delusion on. Trump lost by over 7 million votes. Reality bights, unless you don't live there.

I don't live down there. But I do know what I saw and what I saw was cheating.

But hey...the democrats got away with the crime...for now.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Hmm, well, to begin with I never disputed they were fired. I simply disputed that any FBI agent had been convicted of anything. And they weren't. 

The quote below wasn't you? Did someone hack your account and say those things for you?

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Mmmm, because they weren't charged with anything. And I already stated why they were fired on Trump's orders.

Clinesmith was charged criminally and he pleaded guilty. That had nothing to do with Trump. 

McCabe actually should have been charged criminally for lying under oath multiple times (Papadopolous and Flynn were criminally charged for far less than McCabe did, and McCabe has no more right to lie under oath than anyone else), but he was fired instead. And not on "Trump's orders", he was just fired because it was the very least of the punishments that he could have received.

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The FBI lawyer, Cinesworth was, but got no jail time ,

Yup, exactly like I said. So your claim that no FBI officials were charged criminally was 100% wrong.  

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and the judge said he agreed that the change made to an email was not done with any political motivation

That's bizarre, because the whole investigation was done with political motivation. 

What Clinesmith did was extremely serious - he altered an email and presented it to a judge so that the FBI could continue to get warrants to spy on Carter Page. 

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and that he sincerely believed what he had put in was correct and would simply save some time.

That's a total lie, he never thought that what he said was correct at all, and no one has ever said that. Rolling Stone mag:

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In one episode, an FBI attorney inserted the words “not a source” in an email he’d received from another government agency. This disguised the fact that Page had been an informant for that agency, and had dutifully told the government in real time about being approached by Russian intelligence. The attorney then passed on the email to an FBI supervisory special agent, who signed a FISA warrant application on Page that held those Russian contacts against Page, without disclosing his informant role.

Page was a CIA informant for years, he had dutifully told the CIA that he was approached by Russian intelligence, and that fact was not just hidden, Clinesmith switched the email around 180 degrees. 

Just think about James Bond, and how many contacts he had with Russians who were involved with the government. If you take the fact that he was a British spy out of the equation he suddenly looks like someone who needed to be spied on, right?

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So you haven't actually shown me to be wrong about anything, but rather supported my original statement that you discuss things in a very immature manner.

You were wrong about everything, in the most meaningful of ways. You even told lies, although I can't say for sure whether you actually knew they were lies or if you just have bad sources and are lazy.

The end result of the witch hunt is that no evidence of collusion was found and members of the FBI committed serious crimes and also did things which were serious enough to get them fired, that's just a fact. Stating facts isn't immature, you just don't like those facts. 

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But Boasberg also said he agreed with a prior finding by the Justice Department Inspector General that Clinesmith and other FBI officials’ actions were not motivated by political bias, and he believed Clinesmith’s contention that he thought, genuinely but wrongly, the information he was inserting into the email was accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/kevin-clinesmith-fbi-john-durham/2021/01/28/b06e061c-618e-11eb-afbe-9a11a127d146_story.html

That's an opinion from one person, but it's not an accurate portrayal of the hoax at all when you look at all the evidence objectively. Hhere's how Clinesmith's lie played out, https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/the-fbi-knew-russiagate-was-a-lie-but-hid-that-truth/:

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The FBI knew the Trump-Russia collusion narrative was utter bunk even as it suggested otherwise to Congress, the courts and the public early in 2017. Evidence revealed by special counsel John Durham proves it beyond dispute.

At RealClearInvestigations, Paul Sperry lays out the case. 

Declassified for Durham’s probe, a March 2017 memo prepared by Lisa Page for FBI head James Comey’s meeting with Congress’ “Gang of Eight” — the bipartisan House and Senate leaders who oversee the most classified stuff — was a total cook-up job. 

It advised Comey to present accusations that Trump’s campaign chair Paul Manafort and foreign policy adviser Carter Page were working with the Russian government as coming from a confidential Russia-based source with real intel-community chops. In fact, the FBI had already established that the root source was US-based former Brookings flunky Igor Danchenko’s utterly speculative gossip with an ex-girlfriend and a Democratic Party hack. 

That, plus publicly reported info, was all Christopher Steele (a retired British spy who doesn’t even speak Russian) ever had to back up his “dossier.” And the FBI knew it since at least January 2017, when it interviewed Danchenko.

Comey hid all this during his meetings, and after. Yet the public only learned it years later, once the Durham probe began.  

The Comey meeting where he served up these nonsense stories prompted both House and Senate Intelligence committees to open probes. But that was hardly the only poisoned fruit. 

FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, counterintelligence officer Peter Strzok, analyst Brian Auten and Justice attorney Kevin Clinesmith pretended the Danchenko “intel” was credible to get the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court’s OK for wiretaps on Carter Page and dupe the Justice Department to keep granting approval for Trump campaign surveillance (which did not corroborate the wild claims). Again, all while they knew Danchenko had admitted it was baseless. 

You present this as a case where the FBI did almost everything on the up and up, and Clinesmith's lie was actually an honest mistake, and that's the exact opposite of the truth. The lie about Page was extremely serious and it was a central theme of the whole sordid affair.

Lisa Page was the furthest thing ever from unbiased. Her text messages with Peter Strzok were the epitome of bias. She was the one who wrote the memo to Comey of how to present the initial lies about Page and Manafort. Comey ran with those known lies for a long time.

The FBI knew that they had no evidence of collusion and nothing to go on IN EARLY 2017, that means that they were peddling bullshit to the public when they kept the highly publicized smear campaign going for two more years. They even brought CNN along with them to arrest Roger Stone in a pre-dawn raid, and why did they do that at a point when they already knew that there never was any Russian collusion? 

Why did they keep on arresting people for crimes unrelated to collusion, like Manafort's 1995 tax dodging or Cohen's payment to Stormy, or and then leveraging actual prison time for "information about collusion" when their collusion investigation was just based on known lies from Hillary's lawyer? 

 

I get how for you, sitting at home on your couch watching CNN's headlines with bated breath, you figured that "Russian collusion just has to be real because it all makes so much sense and I hate Trump", but Trump knew the truth from day 1. Comey knew the truth in January of 2017. You just got strung along for 2 more years. I'd be pissed if I was you, I wouldn't be saying "Awwww shucks, they didn't really lie to us, they just really believed what they were saying and they made a few mistakes which look like fabrications."

When Schiff was saying "New bombshell evidence is coming this weekend which will blow the investigation wide open" week after week, he never had any good reason to say that, ever. It was all a fraud. "We stand on the threshold of impeachment" just meant "We're taking this lie to an unimaginable level."

Tell a lie, make it big, tell it thousands of times... It's too big to fail. Acknowledging that lie means acknowledging that the FBI and Dems were up to no good. 

Were they? They're the ones that said that the Bidens didn't do any influence peddling in Ukraine or China, even though they got millions of dollars from those countries for basically no services rendered. Then they were busy focusing on Ukrainian collusion instead of covid when that was a bust too. Then they told you to mask when they weren't masking. They lied about Benghazi and said that the Afghanistan withdrawal was a smashing success. They kept the lid on the "successful drone strike" for two weeks after they killed the Afghani family, until after the glow of that hollow "victory" had run its course. They said that there was no inflation when everyone who buys groceries or gas knew that there was serious inflation. Now they want you to believe that Jan 6th is only comparable to Pearl Harbour, 9/11 and The Civil War. Are we done yet? Is it immature for me to be sick of all their lying and bullshit? It's way beyond partisan political narratives: they weaponized the FBI for some of their bullshit and they lied about dead Americans and dead victims of their own bombings.

Go ahead and ram your head back up your ass for all I care. You're clearly too far gone to discuss things honestly.

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, Aristides said:

Whatever. HE LOST!

Isn't it weird that the Dems got caught cheating on the 2016 election, lost, then falsely accused Trump of cheating on that election for 3 years, and then declared the 2020 election fraud-free right on election night?

Who are you to say that the topic of 2020 election fraud is closed when you got caught supporting bogus claims against the 2016 election for 3 years? 

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

So? He lost. Suck it up Buttercup.

That's not a god reply to:

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Trump lost by 43,000 votes across only 3 states

the popular vote does not win a presidential election

You know that Dinesh D'Souza showed that there was election fraud in at least one of those states, by a Dem partisan group, on a scale that was large enough to swing that state?

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

 Dinesh D'Souza 

People keep citing this person as though they're a reputable and respected researcher.

 

They're not.  

 

This is tabloid garbage sold to a willing audience of cult believers with money in hand.