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[ironstone]

There is very little reason for Americans to have faith in the FBI these days. 

Think The FBI Deserves The Benefit Of The Doubt? Think Again (thefederalist.com)

I actually just  happened to see Peter Strzok on tv talking about how the FBI is unbiased and totally dedicated to the pursuit of justice. Laughable.

Strzok is the same agent whose text messages show he conspired with his mistress and FBI colleague, attorney Lisa Page. Strzok, a lead investigator for Crossfire Hurricane, assured Page of a mysterious “insurance policy” in place if Trump were to be elected, likely in reference to the agency’s inside operations. Page, according to the DOJ inspector general’s 2019 report, told colleagues to go easy on investigating Clinton because “she might be our next president.”

When Page fretted that Trump might actually win the 2016 contest, Strzok assured his romantic partner, “we’ll stop it.”

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Comey was fired by Trump because Trump hoped it would stop the investigation into himself. He even said so publicly.

McCabe was fired for not doing what Trump wanted him to do. He was not charged with anything. Strzok was fired because a tiny fraction of his text messages said unkind things about Trump.

There's no evidence any FBI agent committed any crimes against Trump. If you think otherwise I invite you to present the evidence to that effect.

Are you perhaps a very young person? If so, perhaps I should make allowances for the immaturity displayed in your posts.

You tried to reply to my quite, went off on a tangent and talked about Comey when I was talking about McCabe, Clinesmith and Strzok, you didn’t bother to even find out why they were charged criminally or fired, and now you’re questioning my maturity?

The adult thing for you to do was look into that stuff instead of just changing the topic and popping off. You’ve got a lot of growing up to do. 

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

See, when you say stuff like that but don't offer any support for it, it just makes me say to myself, 'this guy either thinks he's psychic, has that unfortunate symptom

I'm curious why you would ask that.  You're clearly obsessed with this topic so you must surely have heard from Trump's own mouth during an interview explaining why he fired Comey. Asking me for 'support' for it is like asking me to prove snow is cold.

President Trump bragged Sunday night that had he not fired former FBI chief James Comey, he may not have gotten four years in the White House.  

'Don't forget, I fired Comey. Had I not fired Comey you might not be talking to me right now about a beautiful book about four years in the White House,' the former president said. He was appearing on Fox News' 'Life, Liberty and Levin' to talk about his new book, Our Journey Together. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10280315/Trump-bragged-Mark-Levin-stayed-office-four-years-fired-James-Comey.html

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You tried to reply to my quite, went off on a tangent and talked about Comey when I was talking about McCabe, Clinesmith and Strzok, you didn’t bother to even find out why they were charged criminally or fired

Mmmm, because they weren't charged with anything. And I already stated why they were fired on Trump's orders.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

 

, and now you’re questioning my maturity?

Well, technically I'm questioning the maturity of the way you try to have discussions.

 

[I am Groot]

7 hours ago, ironstone said:

There is very little reason for Americans to have faith in the FBI these days. 

Think The FBI Deserves The Benefit Of The Doubt? Think Again (thefederalist.com)

I actually just  happened to see Peter Strzok on tv talking about how the FBI is unbiased and totally dedicated to the pursuit of justice. Laughable.

"I am a big fan of the FBI. I love the FBI. I love the people at the FBI." - Donald Trump interview with Lester Holt.

7 hours ago, ironstone said:

is the same agent whose text messages show he conspired with his mistress and FBI colleague, attorney Lisa Page. Strzok, a lead investigator for Crossfire Hurricane, assured Page of a mysterious “insurance policy” in place if Trump were to be elected, likely in reference to the agency’s inside operations.

Strzok is a human and like many other Americans thought Trump was a no-class idiot. He's allowed to have an opinion and express it privately to his friends. There was no conspiracy against Trump. And you know why that's true? Because nothing happened to him while he was president.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/politics/lisa-page-peter-strzok-insurance-policy

 

[Nationalist]

On 8/19/2022 at 4:51 PM, Aristides said:

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So you are good with Trump's minions appointing electors who will give them a victory regardless of the election result and firing those who follow the election result.

https://people.com/politics/trump-backed-arizona-candidate-says-he-wont-concede-if-he-loses-on-tuesday/

 

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/kelli-ward-arizona-gop-donald-trump/2022/06/24/id/1076010/

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/kari-lake-trump-backed-election-denier-wins-gop-primary-arizona-govern-rcna41317

 

But as she won, the election had to be totally legit. Democracy in the Trump age.

Am I good with it. Hell no. I think that mail in chicken kaka never should have happened. 

Edited August 21, 2022 by Nationalist

[Infidel Dog]

19 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I'm curious why you would ask that. 

I asked nothing. I told and still tell you, when you post a wild claim without context it's suspicious. 

This was just another example. 

You say: 

Quote

Comey was fired by Trump because Trump hoped it would stop the investigation into himself. He even said so publicly.

Here's the context:

Quote

Later in the interview, he brought up Comey again: 'I was going to say before, if I didn't fire Comey, they were looking to take down the President of the United States.'

'And now those same people said it was the most incredible instinctual moves that they've ever seen, because I wouldn't — I might be here with you, perhaps we'll be talking about something else. But I don't think I could have survived if I didn't fire him, because it was like a hornet's nest.' 

See the difference? I doubt it, so I'll explain.

The way you're telling it Trump is in fear of legitimate investigation. But what Trump expressed was the possibility the mounting ferocity of the witch hunt attack to bring him down might have been successful. And there was never any doubt Trump considered that attack to be a hoax. He did say that on multiple occasions and I don't need a link for that because it's common knowledge. But if you doubt it just ask. I'll provide you some quotes. You won't though because unlike your support the context favors Trump.

Without context what you expressed was a lie. That's why you needed a link. And that's why you didn't want to give one.

[Nationalist]

On 8/19/2022 at 9:53 PM, I am Groot said:

You do? That's good. So you were personally at voting stations and saw and presumably smelled voting irregularities?

No. I don't need to have been.

Question: Why is it any disbelief of that fckd up election meets with such consistent and numerous rejections. Almost as if something must be hidden from plain sight at all costs?

[Infidel Dog]

BTW Trump offered multiple explanations over time for canning Comey. None of those supported Groot's implication of fear the truth would come out. That never happened:

" Trump claimed he canned Comey because "he was not doing a good job" and the White House cited the FBI chief's handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation as the reason they were firing the veteran G-man."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-reveals-he-asked-comey-whether-he-was-under-investigation-n757821

 

Edited August 21, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[ironstone]

10 hours ago, I am Groot said:

"I am a big fan of the FBI. I love the FBI. I love the people at the FBI." - Donald Trump interview with Lester Holt.

Strzok is a human and like many other Americans thought Trump was a no-class idiot. He's allowed to have an opinion and express it privately to his friends. There was no conspiracy against Trump. And you know why that's true? Because nothing happened to him while he was president.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/politics/lisa-page-peter-strzok-insurance-policy

 

I would never make the claim that Trump was perfect and right about everything. He was certainly naive about the FBI and made bad choices for the FBI leadership.

Yes, Strzok is human and he is allowed to express his opinion and express it privately to his friends. Seems to me that he spent quite a lot of time on the job expressing those opinions and he clearly let his private opinion interfere with his job. What was the insurance policy he bragged about? Not much came of it so it must have been a complete hoax just like Russia collusion. Donald Trump was the target from day one and then they went in search of a crime or crimes to pin on him. For you to suggest there was no conspiracy against Trump is ludicrous. Are you totally unaware of the Steele dossier and it's origins?

Trump is human too and flawed like the rest of us. And he did a better job as President than Biden is doing. The big question is who is the front runner to replace Joe when he get's removed (by the Democrats)?

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No. I don't need to have been.

Question: Why is it any disbelief of that fckd up election meets with such consistent and numerous rejections. Almost as if something must be hidden from plain sight at all costs?

You are seriously asking why a claim made repeatedly over the last two years by extremely partisan people who can never supply real evidence is scorned? 

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, I am Groot said:

You are seriously asking why a claim made repeatedly over the last two years by extremely partisan people who can never supply real evidence is scorned? 

Evidence is not for these people.  They're of the mindset that objectivity doesn't exist.

When I pointed out that Paul Ryan left the Republicans because of Dear Leader and his reckless spending I get...

"Bla bla bla" as a response.

All thinking people have to reject this new dadaist politics.

"I said some nonsense about a stolen election, why isn't it being investigated?"

Consumers society has produced this rot, in my opinion.  People see themselves as customers, not citizens, and when they don't like reality they DEMAND to see the manager.

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

I asked nothing. I told and still tell you, when you post a wild claim without context it's suspicious. 

A wild claim? It's a fairly well-known claim and has been for years.

12 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

The way you're telling it Trump is in fear of legitimate investigation. But what Trump expressed was the possibility the mounting ferocity of the witch hunt attack to bring him down might have been successful. And there was never any doubt Trump considered that attack to be a hoax.

None of the partisans who have claimed an extraordinary and illegal effort by the FBI to bring him down has ever been able to find any real evidence of it, nor even a motive given the FBI was headed by a Republican appointee and that most agents are fairly conservative people.

Trump considers ALL accusations against him to be wrong. But let's face the facts about the man's dishonesty, hmm? A man who lies so consistently about everything around him, large and small, is not a man likely to be a respecter of laws, regulations and rules. No one who has ever known him or worked with or for him disputes the man lied, cheated and ripped off customers, suppliers and investors his whole life. 

Edited August 21, 2022 by I am Groot

[ironstone]

A question for anyone here. Was the Trump/Russian collusion story a made up conspiracy, or was it totally genuine?

 

[Yzermandius19]

38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Evidence is not for these people.  They're of the mindset that objectivity doesn't exist.

When I pointed out that Paul Ryan left the Republicans because of Dear Leader and his reckless spending I get...

"Bla bla bla" as a response.

All thinking people have to reject this new dadaist politics.

"I said some nonsense about a stolen election, why isn't it being investigated?"

Consumers society has produced this rot, in my opinion.  People see themselves as customers, not citizens, and when they don't like reality they DEMAND to see the manager.

Paul Ryan is trash

good riddance

Paul Ryan is hardly objective

you mistake objective for hating Trump

Edited August 21, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, ironstone said:

A question for anyone here. Was the Trump/Russian collusion story a made up conspiracy, or was it totally genuine?

 

Some of it definitely has been discredited. 

Does it make sense that foreign agents would deploy propaganda to favour their preferred candidates?

Of course.

Has this happened in American Presidential Elections as a matter of course?

No, not really.

Is there strong evidence that Trump is helping foreign interests?

No.

Has propaganda been instrumental in influencing results?

Impossible to say.

 

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Paul Ryan is trash

good riddance

Paul Ryan is hardly objective

you mistake objective for hating Trump

He didn't like deficits.  Trump loved them.

Calling Ryan "trash" is that Trumpy toxicity which poisons all politics.

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

He didn't like deficits.  Trump loved them.

Calling Ryan "trash" is that Trumpy toxicity which poisons all politics.

he always sucked

long before Trump

I think it's quite telling that you think all the worst Republicans are the best

easily fooled by phony fiscal conservatives

plenty of real fiscal conservatives were wise enough not to throw Trump under the bus

they are the objective ones

you simply confuse Trump Derangement Syndrome with objectivity

Paul Ryan didn't quit out of principle, he quit because he's a petty child

jettisoning that dead weight was good for the party

Edited August 21, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

You are seriously asking why a claim made repeatedly over the last two years by extremely partisan people who can never supply real evidence is scorned? 

Oh there has been all kinds of evidence. But yah...defend and discredit anyone who smells a rat...in that rat infested election. Do you best because...there's a lot to deny.

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

A wild claim? It's a fairly well-known claim and has been for years.

Your implication Trump fired Comey out of fear the truth would come out was clear. That's false. Also a wild claim that nobody anywhere other than partisan fanatics and truth-bending activists ever believed or do now that you've put it out here.

If you want to pretend that isn't what you were saying or it's true if you did you're lying and I don't care where you want to go from there.

Edited August 21, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[ironstone]

39 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Some of it definitely has been discredited. 

Does it make sense that foreign agents would deploy propaganda to favour their preferred candidates?

Of course.

Has this happened in American Presidential Elections as a matter of course?

No, not really.

Is there strong evidence that Trump is helping foreign interests?

No.

Has propaganda been instrumental in influencing results?

Impossible to say.

 

You have a gift for understatement. For years the world was told by MSM newscasters, newspapers, late night talk show hosts that Trump was: an agent for Putin, a puppet of Putin, Putin's bitch, actively working for the Russians and on and on.

This went on night after night, day after day non-stop. The pee tape was a fabrication paid for by Hillary Clinton. No media outlet bothered to fact check or verify, they put it out front and centre for the whole world to see. They didn't care.

There are valid criticism's of Trump to be sure and that is fair game. His opponents went above and beyond that level. Their only goal was to "get Trump" one way or another and it continues to this day.

The criticism against Biden: He is in cognitive decline, the US economy is in recession or about to enter one, his foreign policy is a disaster( Russia more aggressive, China more aggressive, Iran more aggressive and happily going after that Iran Nuclear deal, Afghanistan under strong Taliban control. The President's son Hunter get's millions of dollars from Putin's Russia, millions of dollars from Communist China and they say Trump was compromised? Make no mistake, Joe Biden is "The Big Guy".

Are you serious?

[Michael Hardner]

55 minutes ago, ironstone said:

1. You have a gift for understatement. For years the world was told by MSM newscasters, newspapers, late night talk show hosts that Trump was: an agent for Putin, a puppet of Putin, Putin's bitch, actively working for the Russians and on and on.

2. Hunter Biden.

3. Areyou serious?

1. They were absolutely told that this was true? No.  It was inferred by reporting of anonymous sources.  People who know have learned long ago to not trust anonymous intelligence sources.

2. The Hunter Biden thing still is merely a distraction to me.  Jared and Ivanka were profiting from their positions in the Trump administration and that's barely mentioned anymore.  Nepotism and glad handing is what ALL these people do. Take the relationship between the Tuckers and the Bidens for example.

3. Well I didn't disagree with you much if at all, and answered your questions so... uh... Yes?

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

You have a gift for understatement. For years the world was told by MSM newscasters, newspapers, late night talk show hosts that Trump was: an agent for Putin, a puppet of Putin, Putin's bitch, actively working for the Russians and on and on.

This went on night after night, day after day non-stop. The pee tape was a fabrication paid for by Hillary Clinton. No media outlet bothered to fact check or verify, they put it out front and centre for the whole world to see. They didn't care.

There are valid criticism's of Trump to be sure and that is fair game. His opponents went above and beyond that level. Their only goal was to "get Trump" one way or another and it continues to this day.

The criticism against Biden: He is in cognitive decline, the US economy is in recession or about to enter one, his foreign policy is a disaster( Russia more aggressive, China more aggressive, Iran more aggressive and happily going after that Iran Nuclear deal, Afghanistan under strong Taliban control. The President's son Hunter get's millions of dollars from Putin's Russia, millions of dollars from Communist China and they say Trump was compromised? Make no mistake, Joe Biden is "The Big Guy".

Are you serious?

Actually Biden has had some big wins lately. Lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. Inflation rate declining. Passed: Gun control bill, PACT Act, Climate change bill, Infrastructure bill, CHIPS Act, record signups for Affordable Care Act. Took out Bin Laden's SIC and mastermind. Sleepy Joe has been having a good year.

[Yzermandius19]

28 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Actually Biden has had some big wins lately. Lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. Inflation rate declining. Passed: Gun control bill, PACT Act, Climate change bill, Infrastructure bill, CHIPS Act, record signups for Affordable Care Act. Took out Bin Laden's SIC and mastermind. Sleepy Joe has been having a good year.

most of your supposed positives are clearly negatives

the inflation rate is not declining

the low unemployment is mostly due to a low labor force participation rate

hard to imagine Biden's year going much worse

but of course you lefty cultists refuse to acknowledge reality

Edited August 21, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[ironstone]

16 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Actually Biden has had some big wins lately. Lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. Inflation rate declining. Passed: Gun control bill, PACT Act, Climate change bill, Infrastructure bill, CHIPS Act, record signups for Affordable Care Act. Took out Bin Laden's SIC and mastermind. Sleepy Joe has been having a good year.

I can't fault you for being an optimist.

Joe claims inflation is now zero. Well not exactly.

CNN Says Biden Recession Is Like Getting 'A $100-A-Month Raise' (thefederalist.com)

The Gun control bill is passed: crime has been skyrocketing although it's primarily in Democratic run cities to be fair.

Climate change bill is likely the usual smoke and mirrors stuff. More wind and solar, much  higher prices for Americans.

The infrastructure bill? Wow there is quite a lot in there and a lot of it has nothing to do with infrastructure. As with many gigantic government initiatives there will be an astronomical amount of waste built in.

9 examples of unrelated waste and partisan spending in Biden’s $2 trillion ‘infrastructure’ plan | The Maine Wire

Jobs and low unemployment? There is more to the story.

Biden Brags on New Jobs Report, But Here's the Ugly Part He Left Out (westernjournal.com)

 

The CHIPS act is a small step in the right direction and he (Biden's handlers) deserve credit but it is not a complete solution yet.

CHIPS Act Won't Fix America's Shortage of Foreign STEM Talent (reason.com)

As for the ACA it has issues as well.

The ACA is an excellent case in point. Barack Obama and his allies saw a problem: some people can't afford or qualify for medical insurance. But instead of investigating how market forces might currently be thwarted from addressing this problem, they used government (the blunt weapon of aggressive force) to decree that insurance companies — which are already largely creatures of the state — must accept all applicants regardless of their health (guaranteed issue) and must charge the unhealthy the same price as they charge the healthy (community rating); that is, premiums may not reflect actual risk, converting insurance into a covert transfer program.

Of course, in accord with the economic rule that you can never do just one thing, the matter could not be left there. If the young and healthy were going to subsidize the already sick, they would have to be forced to buy coverage at inflated prices; otherwise they would put off buying insurance until they got sick. (The current low penalty for not buying coverage can be expected to rise in the future.) And bureaucrats would have to set minimum standards, or else the mandate would be a mere formality. Thus, regardless of an applicant's preferences or situation, all coverage must include, among other things, maternity and "mental health" benefits and "free" preventative services (which means no one knows precisely who pays for them). Insurance policies may not have caps on the total dollar value of benefits, but this may not be reflected in the price.