War In Ukraine

[BeaverFever]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

You're what Yeats referred to in The Second Coming as the worst.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre   

The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere   

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all conviction, while the worst   

Are full of passionate intensity.

 

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43290/the-second-coming

Oh you think insurrectionist Trump supporters and murderous Putin supporters aren’t full of “passionate intensity?”  LMAO

Keep trying and keep failing, Moscow Molly. YOU’RE the worst. 

[BeaverFever]

45 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

So when does your flight to the front-lines leave?

When did yours arrive back?

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Oh you think insurrectionist Trump supporters and murderous Putin supporters aren’t full of “passionate intensity?”  LMAO

Keep trying and keep failing, Moscow Molly. YOU’RE the worst. 

 

You want war & death. I do not. There's the difference.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

When did yours arrive back?

 

You lack conviction as well...

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You’re ridiculous Bioweapons claim is total idiotic BS invented by the Kremlin 

How did the Kremlin convince Tory Nuland to say that the US had bioweapons in Ukraine? Did the Kremlin hack US gov't websites and put info on them about bioweapons research in Ukraine? I don't think you realize how ridiculous your claims are.

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Your OPINION that “NATO encroachment” justifies invasion of a sovereign nation is not supported by any international law  

So you must think that JFK was an ass for so aggressively opposing nukes in Cuba then....

The US dropped depth charges on a Russian sub that was nuclear-armed, and Cuba doesn't even share a land border with the US. 

I'd love for you to tell me the chances that Canada wouldn't get invaded by the US if we were threatening to sign an aggressive military pact (yes, NATO is aggressive) with China, Russia, Iran, and NoKo which had an Article 5 in its constitution... Do you think the US would just throw their arms up and say "Dang, I guess we're gonna have Chinese and Russian tanks at our northern border, and strategic nukes dotted all over the 10M sq kilometres to the north of us. I wish that there was something else that we could try, aside from diplomacy, but what?"

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Zelensky is Jewish therefore doubtful he is a Nazi or a fascist and none of his government policies reflect fascist practices. Putin’s regime, which is a mutually-reinforcing combination of murderous dictatorship and private sector oligarchy is actual fascism in practice  

Jews helped to force other Jews into the oven during the holocaust. What's your point?

Are you really denying that the people who claim to be Nazis, and who wave Nazi flags and get Nazi tatooos, are Nazis? Who are you to tell them that they're not?

How does being Jewish prevent one from being a fascist? Do you even know what fascism is?

Is jailing opposition members not fascist?

Is assuming total control over all media not fascist? https://deadline.com/2022/03/ukraine-president-vologymyr-zelensky-combines-all-national-tv-channels-to-combat-alleged-misinformation-1234982814/

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In an address to his nation delivered Sunday, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyannounced an order “combining all national TV channels, the program content of which consists mainly of information and/or information-analytical programs, [into] a single information platform of strategic communication” to be called “United News.”

The move means the end, at least temporarily, of privately owned Ukrainian media outlets in that country. Zelensky claimed the measure is needed to combat alleged Russian misinformation and “tell the truth about the war.”

Thanks for at least trying Beave, even if you just ended up proving how little you know about the topic that you're preaching to us about. 

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

How did the Kremlin convince Tory Nuland to say that the US had bioweapons in Ukraine?

She never said that, you fake news sucker.  Total bullshit  

 

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

So you must think that JFK was an ass for so aggressively opposing nukes in Cuba then....

The US dropped depth charges on a Russian sub that was nuclear-armed, and Cuba doesn't even share a land border with the US. 

No matter how often you want to repeat this ridiculous comparison it doesn’t get any less idiotic.  Next you’ll try to tell me that a mouse and an elephant are basically the same thing because they’re both animals and both grey   
 

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I'd love for you to tell me the chances that Canada wouldn't get invaded by the US if we were threatening to sign an aggressive military pact (yes, NATO is aggressive) with China, Russia, Iran, and NoKo which had an Article 5 in its constitution.

 

Putin initiated the aggression years ago when he poisoned the Ukrainian president of the time, installed a ruthless pro-Russian dictator who had troops open fire on their own unarmed citizens, and then Putin invaded and annexed Crimea and the Donbas in 2014 when said Putin Puppetk dictator was overthrown.  Fascist thugs like you believe Ukraine should have just bent over and taken all that aggression up the ass and should just keep handing the bully their lunch money.

 

Article 5 is defensive not aggressive. Ukraine had barely any military to speak of and a lot of economic dependency on Russia. So your whole ridiculously idiotic story that Putin is this nice guy who just wants to be friends with everyone and Ukraine was planning to attack them out of the blue and destroy themselves in the process for no real reason and with no real military capabilities is just beyond retarded  

Edited September 25, 2022 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Is jailing opposition members not fascist?

Is assuming total control over all media not fascist?

Dude, get real. What the hell do you think allied countries did when they were invaded by the Nazis?   Ukraine  is under foreign invasion by Russian orcs who are rampaging across  the countryside, cities have been shelled to rubble, civilians are being raped and executed, domestic collaborators and foreign agents are everywhere.  
 

Meanwhile what’s Putin’s excuse? He’s been murdering and jailing his own citizens and controlling the media for over 20 yrs.  Ever heard of Navalny?  But you think that’s just grand.

 

 I already explained to you what a fascist is and Putin meets the definition. Azov battalion was full of them at one point, maybe still is even after the government took it over.  But Zelensky and Azov members are not one and the same. You know how you say KKK supporting Trump doesn’t mean Trump supports KKK?  Get it?

Edited September 25, 2022 by BeaverFever

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

She never said that, you fake news sucker.  Total bullshit  

Tell Victoria Nuland that she never said -under oath - that there are biological research materials that the US doesn't want Russia to get their hands on in Ukraine, liar.

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No matter how often you want to repeat this ridiculous comparison it doesn’t get any less idiotic.  Next you’ll try to tell me that a mouse and an elephant are basically the same thing because they’re both animals and both grey   

It's kind of like when one country decides that another country's military weaponry is getting too close, and presenting too much of a danger to their citizenry, only Russia is one country in both scenarios and the US is one country in the first scenario and NATO is a bunch of countries in the second scenario. 

Really stupid people always have trouble making the connection, don't sweat it.

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Putin initiated the aggression years ago when he poisoned the Ukrainian president of the time, installed a ruthless pro-Russian dictator who had troops open fire on their own unarmed citizens, and then Putin invaded and annexed Crimea and the Donbas in 2014 when said Putin Puppetk dictator was overthrown.  Fascist thugs like you believe Ukraine should have just bent over and taken all that aggression up the ass and should just keep handing the bully their lunch money.

It's always liars like you who have to pick their own convenient start date and ignore transgressions by their own side when they start to ramble off their false narratives. Your story somehow worked it's way around the war crimes committed by one of your favourite Nazi groups - the Azovs.

Did you give up trying to pretend that Zelensky isn't a fascist who jailed his opposition and assumed full control over the nation's media? 

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Article 5 is defensive not aggressive.

 It's 100% aggressive in this instance. NATO will just move their border right to Russia, and then Russia can't even use their own military without triggering all out war with 30 countries. 

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Ukraine had barely any military to speak of and a lot of economic dependency on Russia so your whole ridiculously idiotic story that Putin is this nice guy who just wants to be friends amd Ukraine is planning to attack them out of the blue for no real reason with no real military capabilities is just beyond retarded  

Talk about beyond retarded.

Your fake news likes to pretend that "Russia is committing genocide" and in the same article they'll say "There are 15,000 dead Russian soldiers and only a few hundred Ukrainian troops and civilians dead."

Now "Ukraine barely had an army" but you also claim that "they're beating the Russians like a rented mule." 

I never said that Russia was a nice guy, but I said that Russia definitely can't allow NATO to come to their western border. Putin has no choice but to be at war with Ukraine. 

[WestCanMan]

43 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I already explained to you what a fascist is and Putin meets the definition.

If you know what a fascist was then you'd be talking about Trudeau and Biden in that conversation as well.

Putin is technically a communist, but from the POV of a free country they're all the same. Zelenski is a fascist too, he's just the one who caused this war.

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Azov battalion was full of them at one point, maybe still is even after the government took it over.  But Zelensky and Azov members are not one and the same. You know how you say KKK supporting Trump doesn’t mean Trump supports KKK?  Get it?

Azov battalion is a nazi unit that has a recent history of committing war crimes and they are an official part of the Ukrainian army.

Biden and Obama didn't make the BLM terrorists or the Antifa terrorists into official US Army regiments, their beloved KKK was never an official military unit either. It never had more than militia status with the Dems.

[athos]

 

Israel named Zelensky the most influential Jew in 2022

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is the most influential Jew in 2022, according to the Jerusalem Post, which published its list on Sunday.
Describing the former comedian as an "icon", the media hailed his use of "media and diplomacy" to turn the West against Russia and its president.

https://www.rt.com/news/563510-zelensky-influential-jew-jerusalem-post/

 

[eyeball]

On 9/23/2022 at 6:14 AM, DogOnPorch said:

 

Unless you're posting from a foxhole outside Kharkov, all you're doing is fanning the flames of war like a good little warmonger. You want war with Russia? Then you're bat sh!t crazy. But I see there are others like you that also want WAR. So bat sh!t crazy is contagious.

No one needs to go to war with Russia. We simply need to put a $50 million bounty on Putin's fat little head.

The war in Ukraine would be over within the hour.

[DogOnPorch]

In 2019, Rand and the Pentagon got together to create a study about using proxy wars in Ukraine and other regions to destabilize Russia. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

Overextending and Unbalancing Russia

Assessing the Impact of Cost-Imposing Options

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html

 

 

[sharkman]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

No one needs to go to war with Russia. We simply need to put a $50 million bounty on Putin's fat little head.

The war in Ukraine would be over within the hour.

So simple, eh?  Let’s explore that one a little.  Because I’m wondering what Putin would do in response when he caught wind of a 50 million dollar bounty on his head.  Perhaps to announce to the world that in the event of his untimely death, 50 Russian nukes(of the new  hypersonic variety that no one can defend against) would hit 50 foreign cities of his choosing.  And he’d probably name the cities.

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, sharkman said:

So simple, eh?  Let’s explore that one a little.  Because I’m wondering what Putin would do in response when he caught wind of a 50 million dollar bounty on his head.  Perhaps to announce to the world that in the event of his untimely death, 50 Russian nukes(of the new  hypersonic variety that no one can defend against) would hit 50 foreign cities of his choosing.  And he’d probably name the cities.

 

America has had to play catch-up in the hypersonic cruise missile department. It's the Poseidon that is the really scary bugger. A last strike weapon....up to 100 megaton warhead. Tsar Bomba stuff. Apparently unstoppable at the moment. It comes for revenge.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/03/russias-new-poseidon-super-weapon-what-you-need-to-know/

[eyeball]

45 minutes ago, sharkman said:

So simple, eh?  Let’s explore that one a little.  Because I’m wondering what Putin would do in response when he caught wind of a 50 million dollar bounty on his head.  Perhaps to announce to the world that in the event of his untimely death, 50 Russian nukes(of the new  hypersonic variety that no one can defend against) would hit 50 foreign cities of his choosing.  And he’d probably name the cities.

Meh, we're going there anyways. There's no way on Earth we're going to avoid a nuclear exchange. Governments are just too stupid.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

So simple, eh?  Let’s explore that one a little.  Because I’m wondering what Putin would do in response when he caught wind of a 50 million dollar bounty on his head.  

Trump played the regicide game to the greatest extent of any modern-day leader when he took out Suleimani, Iran's foremost general, just because Suleimani took an American 'pawn'. 

Most leaders don't have the balls to play the game with such high stakes, and certainly none of the Dems do. Snakes and weasels like the Dems will only engage in a war of attrition, where tens of thousands of their own soldiers and civilians die but they get to live regardless of whether their side wins or loses.

Trump's response to Suleimani, Hillary's response to Benghazi (just leave them to die and then lie about your own failures that led to the situation), and Biden's traitorous withdrawal from Afghanistan tell you all you need to know about their character.

[August1991]

On 9/25/2022 at 1:30 AM, sharkman said:

But they have taken the bit in their mouths, as they say.  There seems to be a gathering momentum, and the world economy could apparently use the kick start of an escalating war...

God knows what diplomats/bureaucrats exchanged messages in the summer of 1914.

Kennedy and Khruschchev had both lived through war.

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Jake Sullivan was born in 1976.  

[Boges]

Russians fleeing the country are being given Draft notices at the border. 

This war is causing a Russian refugee crisis. 

[athos]

 

Her children are returning to mother Russia

 

 

[athos]

 

Don't tell me that Karma doesn't exist

 

 

Hurricane Ian in Florida left big consequences: "This is the biggest storm we've ever seen"

Edited September 29, 2022 by athos

[athos]

 

"My house in Tampa is getting flooded and destroyed, but thank God I’m vaccinated"

 

 

[Aristides]

Putin has backed himself into a corner. Militarily he has lost so what does he do now. Cornered rats are dangerous.

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

More from the group of people that have the affinity to be ruled by strongmen. 

Russia has always been ruled by strong men (and one woman). They really don't know anything else.

[Aristides]

13 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Yes, let us hear more of the speech today, the man is talking like his army went close to Paris: 
 

NATO Secretary General  responds to #Russia's illegal and illegitimate annexation of four regions of #Ukraine 

 

 

 

 

Maybe he thinks he is another Alexander 1st.

I loved the NATO Salesman of the Year award.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Aristides

[sharkman]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Putin has backed himself into a corner. Militarily he has lost so what does he do now. Cornered rats are dangerous.

He already said what he’s going to do.  He’s calling up 300,000 more soldiers.  He initially had 180,000 I believe so this is quite an increase.

So what does the other side do?  They blow up the Nord Stream pipelines, both of them. Germany will freeze this winter, what do you think of that?