Yzermandius19 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Oh gosh no. Great Britain was not so much pro-slavery...they weren't. But they were very much pro-cotton with which their base economy ran on (along with wool). That's why Lincoln was brilliant by switching the casa belli to slavery rather than states rights or King Cotton. It forced Britain to back right off with the multitude of blockade runners that kept the South armed and prolonged the war greatly. the war was to preserve the Union freeing the slaves was simply expedient to win the war the war was never about slavery the Union wanted reunification the Confederacy wanted to maintain autonomy from the Union Edited February 9, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: the war was to preserve the Union freeing the slaves was simply expedient to win the war the war was never about slavery The end most certainly was as the Union needed all those extra 'colored' troops that it could get to mount its increasingly large and ambitious campaigns in the South. Those Rebs refused to go down. As for the Natives...they chose the wrong side...the Confederacy. Stand Watie was the last Rebel general to surrender. The South promised to preserve tribal law which included more often than not, legal slavery. So they joined early...stayed late. Edited February 9, 2022 by DogOnPorch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The end most certainly was as the Union needed all those extra 'colored' troops that it could get to mount its increasingly larger and ambitious campaigns in the South. Those Rebs refused to go down. the Emancipation Proclamation freeing the slaves was just a good tactic to win the war it was never the main goal even at the end it was certainly a good PR move too which is why so many have the wrong impression today that the American Civil War was about slavery Edited February 9, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: freeing the slaves was just a good tactic to win the war it was never the main goal even at the end No...Lincoln and others were abolitionists of various degrees from before the war. Though it was a very complex thing in 1850s America. States had way more local control than any Federal power. Try n' control them. So the 1860 election was all about so-called border states keeping or ditching slavery. Kentucky, West Virginia etc. War resulted...frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 57 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: I love Canada strong and free. If we’re going to remain under totalitarian controls like vaccine passports and state-influenced media, then I’d rather see Confederation unravel. We won't. The totalitarian caste is unravelling before us now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: No...Lincoln and others were abolitionists of various degrees from before the war. Though it was a very complex thing in 1850s America. States had way more local control than any Federal power. Try n' control them. So the 1860 election was all about so-called border states keeping or ditching slavery. Kentucky, West Virginia etc. War resulted...frankly. slavery was a major reason for secession slavery was not the cause of the war though an important distinction claiming the war was about slavery is a vast revisionist oversimplification to make the Union look more justified in it's actions and isn't accurate the Union's cause was nowhere near as noble as viewing the war through that filter makes it seem Edited February 9, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 48 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: slavery was a major reason for secession slavery was not the cause of the war though Yes it was as well as King Cotton and other things. But as mentioned, the 1860 elections were about the status of slavery in border states. Not cotton output. Lincoln being elected resulted in the Secession as the South could see what was coming next. The irony of the slave issue was that industrialization was quickly making slavery extinct as a basis of one's economy...as it was in the South. Mechanical cotton pickers were already making waves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: Yes it was as well as King Cotton and other things. But as mentioned, the 1860 elections were about the status of slavery in border states. Not cotton output. Lincoln being elected resulted in the Secession as the South could see what was coming next. The irony of the slave issue was that industrialization was quickly making slavery extinct as a basis of one's economy...as it was in the South. Mechanical cotton pickers were already making waves. the war was about restoring the union or remaining separate from it everything else is a side issue that played into the main disagreement the causes of secession and the war are intertwined but not the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: The irony of the slave issue was that industrialization was quickly making slavery extinct as a basis of one's economy...as it was in the South. Mechanical cotton pickers were already making waves. Do statistics on the number of slaves actually confirm this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 The answer to this question is an absolute yes. It's not even up for debate anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 14 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: the people I'm talking about are the conspiracy theorists QAnon has nothing on BlueAnon and Alex Jones is vastly less crazy than either, even at his craziest That's strawman. I'm not sure how BlueAnon entered the conversation, other than as a distraction. The existence of dumb left-wing conspiracy theories does not make QAnon any less moronic, nor does QAnon stupidity make Alex Jones any less moronic. Once you've proven yourself to be absurdly stupid and a shameless and dangerous liar, your credibility goes down to zero. Zero is as low as credibility goes, so the fact that there are people out there even "crazier" than him isn't relevant. The guy is just telling angry white people what they want to hear and peddling his comically dumb products to them at jacked up prices. He couldn't be more of a joke if he tried. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: We covered all this while Omar Khadr was facing charges in the US. And if anyone fit the treason definition it was him, however many lawyers said our treason laws are to vague and would be easily struck down in court... and no the liberals have not changed them... Justin may be a liberal wingnut, but charging him with treason come on... You should have tried when he had a beard. Facial hair almost clinched it in Omar's case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 16 hours ago, Nationalist said: There are 2 types of Libbies...IMO. Type 1 knows what I'm saying right now to be true. They'll likely attack this post. These people know what they're doing, how to do it and why. These people want to tear society asunder and "re-make" it. They are truly dangerous because they are on a mission and have just enough intelligence to influence Type 2. You may not have noticed but there does appear to be a small and growing number of conservatives willing to wrap their heads around my idea of abolishing in-camera lobbying. I'd go as far to say type 2 libbies are actually more likely to regard it as a dangerous idea than anyone. Whatever the type of conservative we're talking about however, the fact the idea came from a lefty appears to be their biggest hurdle to overcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: We covered all this while Omar Khadr was facing charges in the US. And if anyone fit the treason definition it was him, however many lawyers said our treason laws are to vague and would be easily struck down in court... and no the liberals have not changed them... Justin may be a liberal wingnut, but charging him with treason come on... Do you think people with those kinds of views on this forum are honest and reasonable interlocutors? Could the mind of someone be changed with reasonable arguments when they think Trudeau should be tried for treason, or publicly executed? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Moonbox said: That's strawman. I'm not sure how BlueAnon entered the conversation, other than as a distraction. The existence of dumb left-wing conspiracy theories does not make QAnon any less moronic, nor does QAnon stupidity make Alex Jones any less moronic. Once you've proven yourself to be absurdly stupid and a shameless and dangerous liar, your credibility goes down to zero. Zero is as low as credibility goes, so the fact that there are people out there even "crazier" than him isn't relevant. The guy is just telling angry white people what they want to hear and peddling his comically dumb products to them at jacked up prices. He couldn't be more of a joke if he tried. you're just a hater Alex Jones is cool especially when he's drunk he was unfairly cancelled if you don't like him I don't care your opinion is trash anyway Edited February 9, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: You may not have noticed but there does appear to be a small and growing number of conservatives willing to wrap their heads around my idea of abolishing in-camera lobbying. I'd go as far to say type 2 libbies are actually more likely to regard it as a dangerous idea than anyone. Whatever the type of conservative we're talking about however, the fact the idea came from a lefty appears to be their biggest hurdle to overcome. Liberal politics have a place. But when it gets slippin' to the left too far, we get this sort of nonsense. The Conservatives have their crosses to bear as well. Traditionally...and I should add 'wisely enough'...we ignored the extremes on either side and didn't give them any oxygen. Today the 'Libbies' are taking up all the oxygen. They yell and scream and carry on like...well...they did once congregate and howl at the moon, so... They're absolutely cultish, the way they conduct themselves. The anger is staggering. And THAT...makes them dangerous and to be marginalized ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: You may not have noticed but there does appear to be a small and growing number of conservatives willing to wrap their heads around my idea of abolishing in-camera lobbying. I'd go as far to say type 2 libbies are actually more likely to regard it as a dangerous idea than anyone. Whatever the type of conservative we're talking about however, the fact the idea came from a lefty appears to be their biggest hurdle to overcome. Canadians hate free speech just like you so perhaps you will get your way see how it improves absolutely nothing and then see how dumb of an idea it really is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrudeauSucks Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) So out of the 35 000 Canadians who's died how many children had to suffer and go through psychological torment just to save a few people in nursing homes? There are 5.5 million student's who had their education completely degraded. Edited February 9, 2022 by TrudeauSucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Could the mind of someone be changed with reasonable arguments when they think Trudeau should be tried for treason, or publicly executed? Oh you see they care about the 'children' though.. and especially the 1,000,000 Karens who can't go to the mall... but I am in favour of peaceful protests. The clock is ticking on this one... Trudeau will show how Canadian he is by declaring martial law just like his dad... $10M won't be enough to pay the legal bills for 1,000 people who want to get their trucks back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: you're just a hater Alex Jones is cool If you find listening to absolute morons ranting angrily to be compelling, there are some pretty simple words to describe you as well. 30 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: especially when he's drunk he was unfairly cancelled Yeah I mean telling everyone that the Sandy Hook massacre was a hoax and then getting ridiculed for it is soooo unfair. Poor poor Alex Jones. It makes it so much harder for him and his pretend health expert to peddle their worthless merchandise to gullible fools. Edited February 9, 2022 by Moonbox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) Is Trudeau the most unCanadian PM ever? YES! He seems more like a patriot Chinese to me! He is China's fan-boy! Or....maybe, a patriot Cuban! ? Edited February 9, 2022 by betsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Moonbox said: If you find listening to absolute morons ranting angrily to be compelling, there are some pretty simple words to describe you as well. Yeah I mean telling everyone that the Sandy Hook massacre was a hoax and then getting ridiculed for it is soooo unfair. Poor poor Alex Jones. It makes it so much harder for him and his pretend health expert to peddle their worthless merchandise to gullible fools. supports cancel culture if it's people he doesn't like getting cancelled your opinion becomes less relevant with each post you make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 37 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Canadians hate free speech just like you so perhaps you will get your way see how it improves absolutely nothing and then see how dumb of an idea it really is So the only way a politician and a lobbyist can speak freely is when they're in their safe space behind a closed door. Have you NEVER wished you could be the proverbial fly on the wall? Why does this oft-stated desire that finds expression across the political spectrum not to mention down thru the ages terrify you so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, eyeball said: So the only way a politician and a lobbyist can speak freely is when they're in their safe space behind a closed door. Have you NEVER wished you could be the proverbial fly on the wall? Why does this oft-stated desire that finds expression across the political spectrum not to mention down thru the ages terrify you so much? they should be allowed to speak in private and in public neither needs to be banned only a free speech hater would suggest otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: they should be allowed to speak in private and in public neither needs to be banned only a free speech hater would suggest otherwise I agree %100 re speaking in public. Why shouldn't you be allowed to listen when they discuss public business however? It is your business after all. I'd say it's your responsibility. Only someone with something to hide would suggest otherwise. Edited February 9, 2022 by eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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