Trucker's Convoy

[CITIZEN_2015]

Interesting article giving a view on the origin of truck convoy protest in Ottawa

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/08/ottawa-truckers-protest-anti-vaxx-canada

There’s a lot going on in the world right now. If you’re not Canadian, then the protest in Ottawa might not be top of your list of things to worry about. But I’m afraid you should be worried. You should certainly be paying attention. What’s unfolding in Ottawa is not a grassroots protest that has spontaneously erupted out of the frustration of local lorry drivers. Rather, it’s an astroturfed movement – one that creates an impression of widespread grassroots support where little exists – funded by a global network of highly organised far-right groups and amplified by Facebook’s misinformation machine. The drama may be centred in Canada, but what is unfolding has repercussions for us all.

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

There were a few tow trucks trying to tow smaller vehicles. The one with the big city of Ottawa contract. But a rig...lol. Once the airbrakes are set on one of those, you'll be needing the driver's assistance. And not just any driver...as everything is coded these days. Can I have your password, trucker??? 

No.

Yes it's true, only certain types of gear can do that, which complicates matters even more.

Today we hear that quite a number of truckers in the core came with their families. Wives and children. I guess that complicates matters even more, too.  

Scenes of people singing and celebrating in streets, children playing. These are Canadian families. Peaceful families have come to speak out to the government. Great symbolism of old-school Canadian culture.

That's why Mr. Trudeau has fear in his eyes. You can see it, he knows it. He's up against the people now, not just loud-mouthed fringe groups. Atomic Canada

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

 Scenes of people singing and celebrating in streets, children playing. These are Canadian families. Peaceful families have come to speak out to the government. Great symbolism of old-school Canadian culture.

Sure but there's a limit.  Even if peaceful families blocked the US border they would have to be removed.  

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Police arrested a little old man..

Sorry - I reject this story on principle.  

If one guy with a Nazi flag doesn't represent the movement then neither does a widdle old man with a sob story...

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

 

That's why Mr. Trudeau has fear in his eyes. You can see it, he knows it. He's up against the people now, not just loud-mouthed fringe groups. Atomic Canada

 

Yes...whole families are camped there. More will be arriving this weekend...Justin or not.

[OftenWrong]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Sure but there's a limit.  Even if peaceful families blocked the US border they would have to be removed.  

That's true. "So bring it on." Remember?

The mere sight of it hurts the government, and Canada's reputation. Canadians are all talking about this now, and the world is watching. So taking action has consequences.

You didn't learn from our little talk yesterday, did you.

Anyway point is, that's exactly the insidious nature of this dilemma. It's like they've gone and thrown a wrench in the machinery. There's no way to undo without some kind of action, and choices are very limited and all bad for the government.

Only one way out, Negotiate, Mr. Trudeau!

And simply because I am pointing this out, doesn't mean I approve of it or have no sympathy for people living there. So don't waste my time with any of that "you really like this" stuff. That is what I call boring. Get on with it man.

Makes me wonder if you're really a conservative, or just hiding from the repulsive attitudes coming from the Liberals. You are not one. Your party abandoned you, and it's time for responsible liberals to speak out. Put the monkey back in the barrel.

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

1.The mere sight of it hurts the government, and Canada's reputation. Canadians are all talking about this now, and the world is watching. So taking action has consequences.

2. There's no way to undo without some kind of action, and choices are very limited and all bad for the government.

3. Only one way out, Negotiate, Mr. Trudeau!

4. So don't waste my time with any of that "you really like this" stuff.  

5. Your party abandoned you  

1. Agree
2. Canada can and should be able to hurt people bureaucratically and the lack of action on that front is curious
3. For what ?  They want to form the government right ?
4. I didn't say it.  Don't tell ME that I hate freedom or dissent.
4. Michael Chong has spoken out for law and order like a conservative would

[Goddess]

23 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Interesting article giving a view on the origin of truck convoy protest in Ottawa

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/08/ottawa-truckers-protest-anti-vaxx-canada

There’s a lot going on in the world right now. If you’re not Canadian, then the protest in Ottawa might not be top of your list of things to worry about. But I’m afraid you should be worried. You should certainly be paying attention. What’s unfolding in Ottawa is not a grassroots protest that has spontaneously erupted out of the frustration of local lorry drivers. Rather, it’s an astroturfed movement – one that creates an impression of widespread grassroots support where little exists – funded by a global network of highly organised far-right groups and amplified by Facebook’s misinformation machine. The drama may be centred in Canada, but what is unfolding has repercussions for us all.

It's an opinion piece.

There is no facts or links to proof.

[OftenWrong]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sorry - I reject this story on principle.  

If one guy with a Nazi flag doesn't represent the movement then neither does a widdle old man with a sob story...

He was arrested rather violently for honking a horn. There is no speculation in that. Nazi flag is a symbol, and no one was harmed.

Another warning sign of terminal liberalism is the inability to successfully differentiate on separate matters. It's like a compulsive will to "equality" or something. conservatism cures this illness by teaching us to weigh each thing by its own merits. Facten sind facten.

[Goddess]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sorry - I reject this story on principle.  

If one guy with a Nazi flag doesn't represent the movement then neither does a widdle old man with a sob story...

And neither does the sob stories of inconvenienced Ottawa citizens.

If they don't like it, they can just move.

Like when they told people who lost their jobs - just get another one.

Easy peasy, right?

[OftenWrong]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I didn't say it.

No, but you did yesterday, so I was pre-empting you to move the conversation along.

We conservatives have long memories...

[CITIZEN_2015]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It's an opinion piece.

There is no facts or links to proof.

There seem to be A LOT of similar so called opinions!!.

[OftenWrong]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Michael Chong has spoken out for law and order like a conservative would

There's a time when it's necessary to break certain laws, for example those which the government imposes to protect itself from criticism while THEY break their own laws. Conservatives would agree with that, because we believe in placing limits on government authority.

There is much to learn yet, Daniel-San.  

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

There seem to be A LOT of similar so called opinions!!.

Could be.

Looks like your counter protesters are coming along nicely.  Almost $2000. 

Whhhheeeeeee

[OftenWrong]

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Could be.

Looks like your counter protesters are coming along nicely.  Almost $2000. 

Whhhheeeeeee

Not sure how many live in the core, but most of the population is outside of it. The core is mainly businesses, shops and government buildings, most of the latter being empty anyway due to coronavirus. Many government folk are still working from home, per directives by Mr. Trudeau.

Shops can still be open I imagine. There are thousands of people walking around in the core, protesters and onlookers. They all need food and rest. Businesses should be doing alright.

Far better than they were under government shutdowns, I'll wager.

[myata]

7 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

democracy is overrated

Democracy is not a universal bandaid panacea. You can't stick it everywhere and on anything. It only works in an environment of active and involved citizens. They have to be a) alive b) awake c) conscious and d) willing to invest time and minimal effort into maintenance and improvement of their democracy. Otherwise, there's no miracle panaceas. All is predetermined even before beginning.

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

1. He was arrested rather violently for honking a horn. There is no speculation in that.  

2. Another warning sign of terminal liberalism is the inability to successfully differentiate on separate matters. 

1. Why do I care if he's a kindly old man then ?  Isn't the issue whether he was breaking the law ?  And if he was... why do I care ?

2. If somebody says ignore that one guy that doesn't represent the movement, and pay attention to this one guy that does then it's a question of principle.  Basically it's an attempt to manage publicity.  

And yes the government does that but isn't this movement supposed to be honest and genuine ?
 

14 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

2. No, but you did yesterday, so I was pre-empting you to move the conversation along.

3. We conservatives have long memories...

11 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

4. There's a time when it's necessary to break certain laws, for example those which the government imposes to protect itself from criticism while THEY break their own laws. Conservatives would agree with that, because we believe in placing limits on government authority.

2.   I invite you to ' inability to successfully differentiate on separate matters. '  I believe in principle so if I said I disagree with the right to protest or dissent that was an egregious error on my part.

3.  I'm a conservative because I believe in rights, accountability and peace and order.

4. Yes - so express dissent but be prepared to be arrested just as those people who chain themselves to old growth trees often are.  This unfocussed and disorganized group could never have their demands met, even if they could be understood.  Therefore, the time has come to clear out...
 

 

 

xsdf

[Boges]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/ambassador-bridge-protest-third-day-windsor-1.6344647

Blocking North America's busiest crossing is hurting Canadians, not helping them. 

MORONS! 

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I believe in rights

no you don't

you believe the government should curtail those rights because of covid

you like most Canadians

think that rights are simply privileges the government can choose to give you

or take away at their leisure

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/ambassador-bridge-protest-third-day-windsor-1.6344647

Blocking North America's busiest crossing is hurting Canadians, not helping them. 

MORONS! 

funny how you only care about shutting down business

and it's impact on Canadians

when it is being imposed by people you don't like

when the government does it though

you defend them

there's that repressive tolerance again

selective outrage is a helluva drug

Edited February 9, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[OftenWrong]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm a conservative because I believe in rights, accountability and peace and order.

I see. Unlike liberals then? Of course not.

You've got it wrong, sir. Completely and absolutely. Not that I want to hold you back in transitioning though. I don't blame you. Keep it up, grasshopper.

[OftenWrong]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/ambassador-bridge-protest-third-day-windsor-1.6344647

Blocking North America's busiest crossing is hurting Canadians, not helping them. 

MORONS! 

The liberal speaks

beautiful and brave

[Boges]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

funny how you only care about shutting down business

when it is being imposed by people you don't like

there's that repressive tolerance again

It's funny you assume what I care about. 

I don't support shutting down businesses. But at least when a government does it for public health purposes there's support for those effected. 

Here they're making life a nightmare for the people they purport to support: Truckers that are actually doing their job. And that will have a cascading effect down the supply chain. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, West said:

What about stealing fuel and food? 

I get the feeling the police are being cornered and forced to do things.

I don't think the gas and food thing was their idea.

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

The liberal speaks

beautiful and brave

You know I'm voting for DoFo right?