Trucker's Convoy

[myata]

The political system in the country is broken. The evidence is before our eyes. There will be no return to normal because there's no normal. There will be the next crisis and more overreaches and abuses of power. The crises will deepen and the abuses, more grotesque and egregious. On this path we already lost independent and objective media and possibly, an impartial judiciary as well that is nowhere to be seen in this crisis. Good luck to us.

Countries lift all restrictions returning to normal life as it was before Covid. Mask mandates are staying indefinitely. In soon two years nobody has proven that they are doing much - other than scaring the pueblo into submission and acceptance of whatever wise new directives are coming from high up. Federal vaccination mandates aren't going anywhere. They'll only need to stretch it to the next wave and look the precautions were justified.

There will be no normal here. A dim and lightless place run by entrenched elites with no hope of a real change.

Edited February 23, 2022 by myata

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

government finally caves on bank robbery

but the damage is already done to the rep of Canadian banking institutions and the government

 

Yeah this is fascist BS.  The world sees the Canadian government for what it is now, an oppressive regime of self-serving elites.  Fox News tonight basically said Ukraine is a morass and a distraction from the crisis on our continent.  The trucker convoy is just getting started in the US.

It’s hard to watch our government try to break spirits like some Orwellian communist nightmare.  However, Americans are flocking to the Republican Party BIG TIME. They’re furious at the oppression on their doorstep.  The Canadian government has crossed a line identifying Trump supporters with terrorists.

Canadians, speak your minds and know your inalienable rights.  Share any examples of oppression widely as you already are.  It’s playing in US media and internationally online, even when Canadian legacy media pretends not to notice, like cowards. The world is watching our government mess with the banks.  Musk knows.  If they screw further with our rights and freedoms, the government will be in free fall.  Already they’re scrambling to cover and justify their oppression and self-preservation.  Don’t let one man or a few people control or squash you.

The Maple Leaf Forever!

Edited February 23, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

This is an excellent article that explains our current crisis in Canada.  Supreme Court of Canada, take note and act please:

https://apple.news/AGQQxcNEcQymW94FDeg9h2A

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

This is an excellent article that explains our current crisis in Canada.  Supreme Court of Canada, take note and act please:

https://apple.news/AGQQxcNEcQymW94FDeg9h2A

I highly doubt the courts can be trusted

they are packed with Liberal cronies

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I highly doubt the courts can be trusted

they are packed with Liberal cronies

Hey my brother.  I just hope the international media goes to town on all these violations.  Let’s see if those mainstream outlets that like to call themselves objective and journalistic actually report these serious injustices in Canada.  Bill Maher really does need to take this up.  Britain and the EU need to get involved.  Australian media has been strong on the topic along with the British Daily Mail.  Our government is literally crushing opposition in unprecedented ways for a modern western post-WW2 democracy.  It’s horrifying actually.  

[myata]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

This is an excellent article that explains our current crisis in Canada.  Supreme Court of Canada, take note and act please:

There is no easy bypasses to an active citizenry that keeps governments in check and under control at all times, always. No miracles, no fixes, no default everlasting solutions.

Edited February 23, 2022 by myata

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

  Our government is literally crushing opposition in unprecedented ways for a modern western post-WW2 democracy.  It’s horrifying actually.  

I would start preparing yourself psychologically to have your entire world turned upside down

like being a refugee on the run from a war zone

because they are creating an "untouchables" caste here

not only will we have no access to society, no job, no home, living on the streets or in the woods

but people will be afraid to even help us. lest they get targeted

so we are literally going to be in survivalist mode, camping in the bush & dumpster diving for food

that might sound extreme, but this could be dropped on any of us at any time now, without warning

in addition, this will cause crime to explode like never before seen

with so many existentially desperate people driven to the margins

most "untouchables" will have to become professional criminals just to survive

everything will be driven underground, gangterism will run amok

Canada is literally on the brink of societal collapse

Edited February 23, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

I’m quite sure I heard a CNN chief analyst yesterday  “accidentally” call Biden Brandon.  They know too.  

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

1.  Especially for Justin.  White male guilt doesn't work with a group of mostly white men.

2. This is the most racist PM in many, many decades.  

3. I saw Justin on a campaign stop during the 2015 election campaign. 

1. It worked fine until... 
2. BLACKFACE duh
3. Liberal fanboy, who knew...

[OftenWrong]

9 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Oddly, all the Natives, Sikhs, Chinese, Japanese, Muslims, etc at the peaceful protest weren't included in those exceptions.  

You mean Jagged-Meat Singer's brother won't be charged for his $13k donation, but some little girl in BC who have 50 bucks has her account frozen?

I see how it works now. Check

[myata]

4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I highly doubt the courts can be trusted

they are packed with Liberal cronies

Is there any rational reason to expect that a part, a section of a dysfunctional system would perform much better than the rest of it? Well we don't have to go far for the answer: an infamous pseudo expert Charlie Smith, the inventor of non-existent "shaken baby syndrome" was laughed out of US court on the first and only appearance. He went on to have a successful two decades career as a key prosecution witness in child abuse cases in Ontario. Then you guessed it, a commission, horror, apology and compensation (out of taxpayer's pocket, not Charlie's and not the judges who took his exspert inventions for the truth). That's the only way it can work.

We already learned that we have to be careful distinguishing between how the system views itself and what it is and how it performs in the reality. They can be two very different things.

 

[Dougie93]

 

[West]

[Boges]

13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Here's an interesting question:  would it be justified if certain indigenous bands refuse to allow significant numbers of white people or non-indigenous people to live on their reserves?

I wouldn't support it. 

There are Metis for a reason. FN intermarry all the time. I guess tribes have their own policy on such things. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

1. some little girl in BC who have 50 bucks has her account frozen?

1. Probably shouldn't cite that, as there are few details and it doesn't make any sense.

They only froze 200 accounts, why would they pick hers out of thousands of others ?  I saw an unsupported explanation why this happens to her that makes WAY more sense but note that I am not going to post it here.  The MP who said this happens should just explain what the details are - he can do so without revealing personal info.  Let's see if he does.

[West]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Probably shouldn't cite that, as there are few details and it doesn't make any sense.

They only froze 200 accounts, why would they pick hers out of thousands of others ?  I saw an unsupported explanation why this happens to her that makes WAY more sense but note that I am not going to post it here.  The MP who said this happens should just explain what the details are - he can do so without revealing personal info.  Let's see if he does.

Why are they freezing accounts anyway? 

[CITIZEN_2015]

The truckers convoy is regrouping in rural areas surrounding Ottawa

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/freedom-convoy-protesters-regroup-in-rural-communities-surrounding-ottawa-1.5791556

What I don't understand is WHY law enforcement under emergency act don't go there and arrest all of them for participating in an illegal protest and occupation of the Capital. If I break the law say rob a bank and run off and hide in a farm, I can still be arrested and charged, can't I?

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The truckers convoy is regrouping in rural areas surrounding Ottawa

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/freedom-convoy-protesters-regroup-in-rural-communities-surrounding-ottawa-1.5791556

What I don't understand is WHY law enforcement under emergency act don't go there and arrest all of them for participating in an illegal protest and occupation of the Capital. If I break the law say rob a bank and run off and hide in a farm, I can still be arrested and charged, can't I?

there is no such thing as an "illegal protest"

protesting is a fundamental right under Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms

the police have no charges to lay against people who are not breaking the law

[DogOnPorch]

I believe it called cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

Arrest the truckers, the mob screamed. Then shocked that their favorite coffee shop is closed due to lack of supplies.

Nurse, Doctors...same deal. Hero one moment...enemy of the state the next.

[West]

The accounts they are facing are "mischief" charges and "counsel to commit mischief". 

So basically what they are alleging is that the convoy organizers counseled people to obstruct property (either greater or less than $5000). 

The things working in the defense's favor:

1. They instructed their own ban on horns. 

2. They worked cooperatively with police to leave lanes open for emergency vehicles. Videos from the organizers were sent out advising truckers to cooperate with police if they were asked to clear lanes downtown. 

3. Two police chiefs resigned. 

4. Several police officers resigned after not being willing to follow unlawful orders. 

5. While the city ordered the malls closed, citing "safety concerns", others remained open. They are on camera stating they have made enough money from the protests to cover the next three months rent.

6. OPP provided a police escort for the convoy to the city of Ottawa. 

7. The Whatsapp account showing police expressing their desire for brutality  

8. Mounted police running over a lady in a walker and other videos of excessive force. 

9. They included a legal team very early on indicating they had no intention of breaking any laws.

Of course this is simply a show trial under the direction of a former Liberal Party candidate so who knows how it turns out? 

Edited February 23, 2022 by West

[Dougie93]

if you think that the police should hunt Canadians down and beat them up before throwing them in jail

because a slim majority of ideological partisans despise these people for invoking their Charter rights

it's not enough that you crushed them in the streets with an army of police

you want to hunt them to the ends of the earth now ?

that's called fascism, the dictionary definition of

[West]

22 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The truckers convoy is regrouping in rural areas surrounding Ottawa

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/freedom-convoy-protesters-regroup-in-rural-communities-surrounding-ottawa-1.5791556

What I don't understand is WHY law enforcement under emergency act don't go there and arrest all of them for participating in an illegal protest and occupation of the Capital. If I break the law say rob a bank and run off and hide in a farm, I can still be arrested and charged, can't I?

Because arresting people for sitting in a farmers field would be bat shit crazy? 

[CITIZEN_2015]

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

there is no such thing as an "illegal protest"

protesting is a fundamental right under Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms

the police have no charges to lay against people who are not breaking the law

The protest became illegal as soon as it was declared an occupation. Illegal blockade of streets, illegal occupation.

[CITIZEN_2015]

8 minutes ago, West said:

Because arresting people for sitting in a farmers field would be bat shit crazy? 

No, as I said they broke the law before by being present in an illegal occupation. If I rob a bank then hide in farmer's field that doesn't immune me from arrest.

[Dougie93]

a fundamental right under the Charter cannot be abridged, even by the Emergencies Act

if you call a peaceful protest and non violent civil disobedience "violent insurrection"

then falsely declare an "emergency" so you have a rubric to crush the protests under jackboots

then retroactively criminalize anyone who supported the protest in the slightest as "terrorists"

so you can employ war powers against the fundamental human rights

again; fascism

not even subtle, fascism in the classical sense