Did Trudeau Fail His Country On Covid-19

[Shady]

6 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

We stopped flights from China at thye end of January and put all returnees into quarantine.

The virus came to the UK via holiday makers going on skiing trips to Italy.

No that’s not true.  Plus it was only recently that flights from Rome were stopped.  Way too late then what should’ve been.

[Iceni warrior]

6 minutes ago, Shady said:

No that’s not true.  Plus it was only recently that flights from Rome were stopped.  Way too late then what should’ve been.

Flights from China stopped at the end of January and the virus came here via Italy. What part of that is untrue?

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Flights from China stopped at the end of January and the virus came here via Italy. What part of that is untrue?

Air Canada suspended flights at the end of January.  Air Canada isn’t all flights.  And flights from Rome were coming in recently as March 11th.  That’s completely unacceptable and irresponsible.

[Iceni warrior]

5 minutes ago, Shady said:

Air Canada suspended flights at the end of January.  Air Canada isn’t all flights.  And flights from Rome were coming in recently as March 11th.  That’s completely unacceptable and irresponsible.

Which part of ''The virus came to the UK via holiday makers going on skiing trips to Italy'' led you to think I'm Canadian?

Have you never heard of the Iceni?

Do you even history bro?

Edited March 22, 2020 by Iceni warrior

[Shady]

31 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Which part of ''The virus came to the UK via holiday makers going on skiing trips to Italy'' led you to think I'm Canadian?

Have you never heard of the Iceni?

Do you even history bro?

This isn’t about being Canadian.  The topic is about whether the Canadian government has handled the crisis properly.

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, Shady said:

This isn’t about being Canadian.  The topic is about whether the Canadian government has handled the crisis properly.

South Korea is apparently the only country on Earth that has handled this crisis in a manner that could be called properly.

I think a better question is whether electorates and opposition parties have handled the crisis properly.  All in all I'd say most have seen fit to just quibble according to the luxury of hindsight while casting and cultivating a sense of doubt that's probably more harmful than constructive.

Partisanship as usual seems to direct much of the criticism of Canada's response.  Can't wait for the partisanship the economic recovery will be saturated with.

[Iceni warrior]

53 minutes ago, Shady said:

This isn’t about being Canadian.  The topic is about whether the Canadian government has handled the crisis properly.

And my contribution was to say it didn't help us here it just came into the country from somewhere else.

Only shutting down all international travel as soon as it was first recorded in Wuhan would have made any difference. That or taking off and nuking China from orbit.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

That or taking off and nuking China from orbit.

That would make it worse, nukes don't kill viruses,  they just weaken survivor immunity

[Iceni warrior]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

That would make it worse, nukes don't kill viruses,  they just weaken survivor immunity

It would have worked in Alien if Ripley had done it.

Genociding 1.3 billion Chinese might get some blowback from the bleeding heart liberals though.

[Dougie93]

Just now, Iceni warrior said:

It would have worked in Alien if Ripley had done it.

That was only one small site being nuked.  

If all the Covid was in one spot and you nuked that spot, the heat would kill the virus

But nukes have a limited effect on viruses which are dispersed

[Iceni warrior]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

That was only one small site being nuked.  

If all the Covid was in one spot and you nuked that spot, the heat would kill the virus

But nukes have a limited effect on viruses which are dispersed

That was kinda my point really, no amount of shuting down airlines coming from China was going to stop the spread. All it would have done was slow it down a bit.

They were fleeing Wuhan in cars and spreading it to places like Hongkong as soon as they started welding people into their homes.

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

That was kinda my point really, no amount of shuting down airlines coming from China was going to stop the spread. All it would have done was slow it down a bit.

They were fleeing Wuhan in cars and spreading it to places like Hongkong as soon as they started welding people into their homes.

The point of the threads on this forum is pointless partisan hacking

[Iceni warrior]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

The point of the threads on this forum is pointless partisan hacking

Don't they know there's a war on?

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Don't they know there's a war on?

The bombs haven't started falling here yet,  it's the Phony War all over again.

[Iceni warrior]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The bombs haven't started falling here yet,  it's the Phony War all over again.

Yeah I was thinking "phoney war" too.

Suffolk only has a handful of cases right now.

The Battle of Britain hasn't started yet.

All we have is rationing and the blackout.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Iceni warrior

[marcus]

Our government failed like most other governments did. Definitely not as bad as the governments down South. Our government had the benefit of seeing other countries experiencing the epidemic ahead of them. They didn't move fast enough. 

At the same time, other variables should also be noted, like: The citizens of countries like China, Taiwan, The Koreas, Japan and Singapore are for the most part, obedient to their government. They are less individualistic and more collective. 

Mass testing and masks for everyone are essential to control the spread. We still lack those and so we will continue to see the numbers climb up quickly.

Edited March 22, 2020 by marcus

[Yzermandius19]

Yet South Korea didn't shut down it's economy, and the sky did not fall. All these other countries assuming the sky will fall if they don't shut down the economy are doing severe economic damage for no real gain on the health side of things.

Moral of the story: Shutting down the economy is one of the worst ways to fight the virus. In fact the economy should be harnessed to fight the virus, not treated like the enemy, South Korea Knows.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, Shady said:

How do you know it didn’t help?  That’s completely illogical.

Well, I take it back.  It delayed the initial arrival.  But both Canada and the US Didn't seem to use the time to prepare.

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well, I take it back.  It delayed the initial arrival.  But both Canada and the US Didn't seem to use the time to prepare.

Shutting things down simply delays the inevitable. If that delay isn't enough time to increase the capacity of the medical system and it's still going to get swamped no matter what, then shutting down the economy does no good whatsoever, while destroying the economy and reducing the speed at which herd immunity is acquired. A double whammy worst of both worlds scenario.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't think anyone thought that travel bans would stop the pandemic, but they can be useful as a delaying action and partially satisfy public demands/fears.

Travel bans are less effective as community spread overtakes the number of increasing cases.

 

 

 

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

I don't think anyone thought that travel bans would stop the pandemic, but they can be useful as a delaying action and partially satisfy public demands/fears.

Travel bans are less effective as community spread overtakes the number of increasing cases.

In other words, for now, the rubes feel safer with idiotic draconian measures that kill the economy being put in place, even though they are no safer and might even be less safe in the long run because of those very measures.

Pandering to ignorant rubes can backfire, and this is one of those instances.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[bush_cheney2004]

17 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

In other words, for now, the rubes feel safer with idiotic draconian measures that kill the economy being put in place, even though they are no safer and might even be less safe in the long run because of those very measures.
 

 

Yes...the "rubes" want to have the perception of control no matter how small, even if that means buying a year's supply of toilet paper.   Travel bans in an of themselves are not new with respect to other geopolitical events and control of borders.

 

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Pandering to ignorant rubes can backfire, and this is one of those instances.

 

Depends on how long travel is locked down.   There will certainly be an economic price to pay.

To be consistent with such measures, travel bans would be required for domestic hots spots as well, but that hasn't happened yet in Canada.

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Yes...the "rubes" want to have the perception of control no matter how small, even if that means buying a year's supply of toilet paper.   Travel bans in an of themselves are not new with respect to other geopolitical events and control of borders.

 

 

Depends on how long travel is locked down.   There will certainly be an economic price to pay.

To be consistent with such measures, travel bans would be required for domestic hots spots as well, but that hasn't happened yet in Canada.

I'm not even talking about just travel lockdowns here, I'm talking about the locking down of most of the economy in general. The illusion of control is more important to the rubes than saving lives, because they think having the illusion of control saves lives, and support counter-productive measures as a result. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and the SIFCLF panic monkey's are paving that road real fast at the moment, all while imaging themselves to be heroes for helping destroy the economy.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I'm not even talking about just travel lockdowns here, I'm talking about the locking down of most of the economy in general.

 

Understood, but Canada has invoked travel bans like many other nations, which also finds Canadians abroad to be stranded and begging for rescue that is likely not going to happen.   There is also a backlash against those who went abroad anyway despite the risks.

 

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Do not clutter the forum with garbage.  Despite what we have all been taught, pictures are not worth thousands of words.