DogOnPorch Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, GostHacked said: Harper bears some blame here as well. SNC-Lavalin was in Libya when Harper was PM. Harper was PM from 2006 to 2015. He had a decade to deal with SNC-Lavalin. But that obviously was a failure. https://business.financialpost.com/news/rcmp-charges-snc-lavalin-with-fraud-and-corruption-linked-to-libyan-projects Again the issue with SNC-Lavalin is not a Liberal or a Conservative problem. It is a government problem as both parties have allowed SNC to get to this stage. This ia 20-30 year old problem that the government allows to continue no matter who is in power. JT tried to rig the courts to get his buddies out of legal trouble. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: JT tried to rig the courts to get his buddies out of legal trouble. True, but this shows that the government on the whole is responsible for SNC-Lavalin to be as corrupt as they are. They all get blame. Trudeau, Harper, Martin, Chretien, Mulroney. ALL of them are to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 43 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Harper bears some blame here as well. SNC-Lavalin was in Libya when Harper was PM. Harper was PM from 2006 to 2015. He had a decade to deal with SNC-Lavalin. But that obviously was a failure. How so... the RCMP did not lay charges against SNC Lavalin until 2015. And what do you mean, "deal with SNC-Lavalin"? That is not the PM's job. That's what the legal system and courts are for. Please explain how you think Harper was responsible and could have dealt with it under his tenure. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 Also noteworthy in this case is the level of deceit and lies that Mr. Trudeau and Mr. Butts were telling Canadians in the fallout to the resignation of JWR. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, GostHacked said: True, but this shows that the government on the whole is responsible for SNC-Lavalin to be as corrupt as they are. They all get blame. Trudeau, Harper, Martin, Chretien, Mulroney. ALL of them are to blame. That could very well be true yes. Luckily Harper, as much as he's a corrupt leader himself, passed the Conflict of Interest Act coming off the whole Gomery scandal before he truly got drunk with power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said: That could very well be true yes. Luckily Harper, as much as he's a corrupt leader himself, passed the Conflict of Interest Act coming off the whole Gomery scandal before he truly got drunk with power. How was Harper a corrupt leader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, Argus said: How was Harper a corrupt leader? Cause they all are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 "I can't apologize for standing up for Canadian jobs." - Justin Trudeau Can't means won't....so good to see this sanctimonious worm squirm in his own virtue signaling political quagmire. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Argus said: How was Harper a corrupt leader? Did you miss the last election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitian Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 11 hours ago, Argus said: Anyone catch his press conference? He says he accepts full responsibility then goes on to say he did nothing wrong, really, and so has no intention of apologizing. Give him a break... the guy is still trying to figure how he drinks water. From where and placed in what. It's all very confusing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) He might still win. That's the scary part. Canadians, being apathetic to corruptions - that'll be our sure downfall. Edited August 15, 2019 by betsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitian Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, betsy said: He might still win. That's the scary part. Canadians, being apathetic to corruptions - that'll be our sure downfall. Politics itself is the sustained practices of corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, betsy said: He might still win. That's the scary part. Canadians, being apathetic to corruptions - that'll be our sure downfall. We survived Harper's corruption. No doubt we'll survive JT as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, dialamah said: We survived Harper's corruption. No doubt we'll survive JT as well. Will we though? I'm pretty sure a lot of the acrimony increasingly polarizing our world owes itself to years of this sort of corruption. You can only sweep stuff under a rug for so long. Eventually there will be a breaking point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 13 hours ago, Argus said: How was Harper a corrupt leader? All the Libyan bribery happened under Harper's watch. What did he do about it? Nothing. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/snc-lavalin-corruption-fraud-bribery-libya-muhc-1.5010865 This below is just from ONE project here in Canada. Quote CEO Pierre Duhaime: Forced to resign in 2012 over audit issues, he was arrested later that year. Police alleged he ordered secret payments to a shell company to help SNC-Lavalin win the MUHC contract. On Feb. 1, Duhaime pleaded guilty to helping a public servant commit breach of trust. He admitted that he was told one of his employees was in communication with an MUHC employee just as SNC was trying to win the contract. By not looking into that, he committed a crime. Fourteen other charges against him were withdrawn, and the Agreed Statement of Facts says Duhaime did not know about or authorize the bribes. Executive VP of Construction Riadh Ben Aïssa: After resigning in 2012, he was charged in 2014 with 16 counts, including fraud, for allegedly ordering $22.5 million in kickbacks to help SNC-Lavalin win the MUHC contract. In July 2018, he pleaded guilty to one charge of using a forged document. Fifteen other charges against him were dropped. VP Stéphane Roy: Resigned in 2012, he was arrested in 2014 over what police called a vast conspiracy to pay commissions to hospital officials to win the MUHC contract. He was acquitted of the charges in July 2018. Regarding Libya. Harper and his government knew 100% what was going on with that company and the corruption involved. Quote Police alleged that between 2001 and 2011, the company offered Libyan government officials under the Moammar Gadhafi regime bribes worth $47.7 million to influence decisions. It also charged that during the same time frame, the company defrauded the Libyan government and other entities of "property, money or valuable security or service" worth approximately $129.8 million. Three former SNC-Lavalin employees were charged: Ben Aïssa and Roy, as well as Sami Bébawi, who had been an executive in SNC's construction division. Ben Aïssa, whom SNC-Lavalin characterized as a rogue employee, was arrested in Switzerland in April 2012 and charged with fraud, corruption and money laundering, all stemming from SNC-Lavalin business in Libya. He spent 29 months in jail there, but eventually struck a deal. Ben Aissa acknowledged in court that he bribed Saadi Gadhafi, the late dictator's son, so that SNC-Lavalin could win contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 4 hours ago, GostHacked said: All the Libyan bribery happened under Harper's watch. What did he do about it? Nothing. There's no evidence he knew a thing about it, nor that any of it involved his government. The accusation is idiotic. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Did you miss the last election? So you got nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 5 hours ago, dialamah said: We survived Harper's corruption. No doubt we'll survive JT as well. You know, it pisses me off that people have so little regard for corruption they're desperately looking for an excuse whenever their party engages in it. Nothing on that cite by the Red Star indicates corruption by the Harper government. Do you not even understand what it means? Do you need it explained to you? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 4 hours ago, GostHacked said: Regarding Libya. Harper and his government knew 100% what was going on with that company and the corruption involved. I recall having it 'splained to me by self-described adults at the time that this is what Canadian companies had to do to compete in the world. These little lessons in realpolitik were usually attended by condescending pat's on the head and rolly-eye emoticons to one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Argus said: You know, it pisses me off that people have so little regard for corruption they're desperately looking for an excuse whenever their party engages in it. Nothing on that cite by the Red Star indicates corruption by the Harper government. Do you not even understand what it means? Do you need it explained to you? I've already criticized JT on this issue. I'm now thinking if switching my vote to NDP. Don't you find Betsy's handwringing and cries of disaster if JT gets in again a bit partisan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, dialamah said: We survived Harper's corruption. No doubt we'll survive JT as well. Put your money where your mouth is! Show me the proof that Harper had done some corruptions like the blatant corruptions done by Trudeau (we've now got the proof)! Lol. Your boy couldn't keep from making senseless statement with this report that has just come out. Edited August 15, 2019 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, dialamah said: Don't you find Betsy's handwringing and cries of disaster if JT gets in again a bit partisan? How is it partisan? Because I'm a conservative criticizing Trudeau? Don't you have any inkling why I said what i said? If people don't care enough about corruptions happening? What that means to this country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 minute ago, betsy said: How is it partisan? Because I'm a conservative criticizing Trudeau? Don't you have any inkling why I said what i said? If people don't care enough about corruptions happening? What that means to this country? "Partisans" don't care how poorly their candidates behave, or how corrupt they are. The rest of us do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Argus said: There's no evidence he knew a thing about it, nor that any of it involved his government. The accusation is idiotic. How would he not know about it? That information regarding Libya was known at that time. It's not new information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, GostHacked said: How would he not know about it? That information regarding Libya was known at that time. It's not new information. A private company did something while Harper was PM, so he's responsible? As has already been stated, your assertion is idiotic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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