Federal Election 2019

[DogOnPorch]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Democrats still socialize with Farrakhan. The black caucus has never disavowed him. Bill Clinton and Obama stood at Aretha Franklins funeral with him. 

 

 

 

Don't forget Sharpton and Jackson...those two made their own racism into a business. And every Democrat candidate has to meet with Sharpton if they want to be Prez.

 

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I agree it drummed up sympathy, but it’s really important for muslims to be specifically perceived as “victims of actual violence and discrimination” because it’s like the key that starts their engine. 

They don’t do things like that to get “support”, they need to be perceived as victims to justify what inevitably comes later. 

 

Yes...Islam plays the victim in the West as it is well known that the squeaky wheel gets the grease in our culture. Preferential treatment over the Kafir is one of the first things on the ol' runway...step one in making a society Sharia compliant. Victim-hood is the easy path to this, comparatively. 

Edited May 1, 2019 by DogOnPorch

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, dialamah said:

 

The rest of your post appears to be some weird mix of conspiracy theories and science denial, so I will just leave you to it.

The rest of my post was accurate and truthful counterpoints to your own misguided comments, which is why you would rather not acknowledge them dialamah. Sooooooo, in typical liberal fashion, you’re sloughing them off with vague insults/accusations. Nothing new to see there  

 

[GostHacked]

19 hours ago, dialamah said:

I don't watch CNN, or CBC for that matter.  I read this forum; this is where I got my learning on Conservatives.   Before I came here 4 years ago I was much more apolitical, I didn't even really know what differentiated Liberals from Conservatives.

There really is not much difference if at all between the Conservatives and Liberals in my view. Maybe in how they fuck the nation over might be different, but in the end we are still getting fucked.

[jacee]

33 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Seeing how many adults were involved in this so-called hijab hoax, it was likely a staged event to try and drum up sympathy for Islam. The kid was merely the tool employed.

Oh sure, throw in another layer of bigoted paranoia. 

 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, jacee said:

Oh sure, throw in another layer of bigoted paranoia. 

 

 

You're free to think otherwise. Myself and MANY other Canadians thought that the speed at which various statements...from folks other than the family claiming to speak for them...were rather convenient and contrived. And lo...the PM ready to pounce on this "hate crime" without any investigation.

Now JT and the other perpetrators & supporters...like yourself...just wish it would go away. Nothing to see here. It was "just a kid"...it was ALL her doing...we swear.

 

[dialamah]

32 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

There really is not much difference if at all between the Conservatives and Liberals in my view. Maybe in how they fuck the nation over might be different, but in the end we are still getting fucked.

I hear you.  Sometimes I think its too bad I came here looking for insight; I may well have a skewed view of **Conservatives and their underlying values.  Nonetheless, by and large, **liberal/progressive posters have seemed more reasonable, logical and humanistic.  Also less bitchy and whiny.  Perhaps one day I will find a group of conservative-types who will change my impression.

**Qualification:  not all Conservative posters, not all Liberal/progressive posters.

[GostHacked]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

I hear you.  Sometimes I think its too bad I came here looking for insight; I may well have a skewed view of **Conservatives and their underlying values.  Nonetheless, by and large, **liberal/progressive posters have seemed more reasonable, logical and humanistic.  Also less bitchy and whiny.  Perhaps one day I will find a group of conservative-types who will change my impression.

**Qualification:  not all Conservative posters, not all Liberal/progressive posters.

I don't even think that is the case.. Most of us here I would guess would consider ourselves moderates or centrists. But as always the extremities in ideologies in both parties that ruin it for the rest of us. If we keep letting those idiots ruin the conversation, then we are no better than the idiots we see in parliament during question period.

Some voices NEED to be silenced, because they are not contributing anything useful to the conversation. But then that would be silencing free speech.  So we can let them speak (or shit post here) but let's give it a pass and move on. Let them show how much of an idiot they are,  pat their head, and move the fuck on.

 

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Please avoid thread drift.  I took down some posts.  

[Argus]

22 hours ago, dialamah said:

You are right, not all Canadian or even American conservatives are bigots, perhaps not even many.  Nonetheless, the Conservative ideology accepts bigotry more readily than does the Liberal ideology.  Thus, a bigot is more likely to find a home with conservatives than liberals.

Depends on how you define bigotry. 

Conservative bigotry: "Black people are criminals and can't be trusted"

Liberal bigotry: "How dare you judge those poor black people! You can't hold them to white people standards! That's unfair!"

Conservatives (small c) have always been the upholders of tradition, of "God, queen and country", and not ready to make wholesale changes about anything without strong arguments.

Liberals are none of that. They embrace change, even faddish change, and have little interest in protecting traditions. Look at Trudeau proclaiming Canada a  'post national state', as if we're not even a people and have no actual values or culture. With that attitude, combined with an attitude which refuses to judge 'brown people' for their failings, liberals of course are aghast at conservatives for wanting to retain traditions and for judging those who don't uphold their view of values. 

This trans thing is a good example, as the left has enthusiastically, even fanatically embraced the idea of transgenderism, as if it's something you can put on and off on different days like a raincoat. "Gee, I feel like being a girl today". There's zero scientific basis for that view but now the term 'transphobic' is thrown around gleefully to anyone who doesn't like the idea of biological males competing against women in sports, or going into womens locker rooms and showers.

So yeah, conservatives are more likely to be 'bigots' in that way, but Liberals who patronize minorities and refuse to hold them to the same standards as others do too.

 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Really angering the Chinese community...who still apparently await some sort of an apology from the PM.

I guess that he's more concerned about keeping the Muslim voters than he is about the Chinese voters. Maybe they are Conservative voters for the most part? 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, jacee said:

Oh sure, throw in another layer of bigoted paranoia. 

 

Bigotry was the main motivator behind the hoax. So what makes more sense?

- A little girl just comes up with her own Smollett scam to run on the police, the Chinese community and Canadians in general, or

-Some adults put a child up to running a Smollett scam? 

It's not "bigoted paranoia" to give some credence to the latter.

 

[Shady]

3 hours ago, GostHacked said:

There really is not much difference if at all between the Conservatives and Liberals in my view. Maybe in how they fuck the nation over might be different, but in the end we are still getting fucked.

Sorry, but that’s factually incorrect.  For example, unless you think the implementation of a carbon tax vs  not having a carbon tax is no difference.  Also I’m still trying to figure out how Stephen Harper fucked over the nation.

[GostHacked]

50 minutes ago, Shady said:

Sorry, but that’s factually incorrect.  For example, unless you think the implementation of a carbon tax vs  not having a carbon tax is no difference.  Also I’m still trying to figure out how Stephen Harper fucked over the nation.

While you figure it out, let me help you.

We can talk about the SNC-Lavalin issue. As that did not start under Trudeau, and even dated before Harper.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2015/oct/14/canadas-real-barbarism-stephen-harpers-dismembering-of-the-country

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Harper’s greatest success in hampering the state from serving Canadians has been to strip it of its most important resource: taxes. Continuing a Liberal legacy, Harper’s cuts to taxes – GST, corporate and personal – have enriched corporations and denied the state a stunning $45 billion a year in revenue. This has deliberately starved the ability of this government – and of future ones – to pay for public services and address inequality or climate change. Such policies have reduced the country to depression-era divisions: Canada’s wealthiest 86 people now own as much as the 11.4 million poorest.

 

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/06/Stephen-Harper-Abuses-of-Power-2/

Here seems to be some good information , that's a decent list.

Good thing I can find all this on the Internet as some of you have really short attention spans along with anything related to long term memory retention.

 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, dialamah said:

A kid lies.  Lots of people believe her.  When the truth come out, people who think they might fit the description of "bigot" are butthurt because a kid lied and lots of people believed her.  Everybody else shake their heads, assume (or at least hope) the parents had a firm discussion with her (and her brother) about lying. The butthurt people use the opportunity to slam Muslims and Liberals generally, and Trudeau specifically.  Not to mention dismissing or minimizing any future attacks on Muslim women.

 

8 hours ago, jacee said:

I can't find where he said that. Can you? 

I just find this:

“incidents like this cannot be tolerated.” 

Mistaken perhaps, but seems pretty benign nonetheless. 

I'm not sure why the bigots got so riled about it.  

Do you really think this needs to be made public to appease the hysterical  bigots? 

Such a tempest in a teapot. 

Oh, it has nothing to do with the kid of course.  Silly little brat.

It speaks to what Dialamah and I were discussing in another thread a day or two ago.  We disagreed on it all.  But this incident (if I remember correctly) does serve to illustrate my point a little better.  Some things are gleefully jumped on before enough evidence is available.  Other things are carefully avoided even after plentiful evidence is available.  There are certainly many kinds of bigots.

[dialamah]

5 hours ago, Argus said:

if it's something you can put on and off on different days like a raincoat. "Gee, I feel like being a girl today". There's zero scientific basis for that view

People behaving as the "other" gender has been known throughout human history.  Cultures steeped in Abrahamic religions have shunned, punished and killed those people.  (I assume cultures in India and China are the same, but I don't know for sure).  Some animust cultures accepted and honored those people.  If longing to be "the other gender" has been known throughout human history, that should be your first clue that its not just a fad led by "the evil Liberals".

Second clue is that societal non-acceptance of tansgender people leads kids to commit suicide.  Nobody commots suicide because they couldn't change their "raincoat".

There is scientific support for transgenderism, 10 seconds found this:  

Brain activity and structure in transgender adolescents more closely resembles the typical activation patterns of their desired gender, according to findings to be presented in Barcelona, at the European Society of Endocrinology annual meeting, ECE 2018. These findings suggest that differences in brain function may occur early in development and that brain imaging may be a useful tool for earlier identification of transgenderism in young people.

Conservative desire to maintain status quo and traditions is laudable, but not at the expense of science, not to mention people's lives.

[OftenWrong]

So anyway, getting back to the topic before this thread is closed (no doubt imminent...), I think it's more important to defeat Mr. Trudeau and the Liberals right now than it is to make a statement. Voting for Mr. Bernier is making a statement. I think that any issues he raises which people support should be addressed, but it should be done later.

But most of all whoever wins, let's just hope it's not another god-damned majority.

Edited May 1, 2019 by OftenWrong
added "Mr." for Bernier

[GostHacked]

12 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

So anyway, getting back to the topic before this thread is closed (no doubt imminent...), I think it's more important to defeat Mr. Trudeau and the Liberals right now than it is to make a statement. Voting for Mr. Bernier is making a statement. I think that any issues he raises which people support should be addressed, but it should be done later.

But most of all whoever wins, let's just hope it's not another god-damned majority.

That's only going to happen if someone better can be out forth to go against Trudeau.  I am going to vote Green again no matter what.  A Green party minority government might be the best thing well see in a very long time, if ever.

Looking through the crowd, I don't see anyone I want to lead other than May.

[OftenWrong]

40 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

  I am going to vote Green again no matter what.  A Green party minority government might be the best thing well see in a very long time, if ever

I don't mind the PEI solution. Conservative government with Green party opposition. Liberals completely out.

[Argus]

22 hours ago, GostHacked said:

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/06/Stephen-Harper-Abuses-of-Power-2/

Here seems to be some good information , that's a decent list.

Good thing I can find all this on the Internet as some of you have really short attention spans along with anything related to long term memory retention.

"Denied the state revenue". Only the far left would dare to make a statement like that about a cut to income tax or the GST. As if the state had a right to everyone's money and it was a horrible crime to lower how much money the state took.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I don't mind the PEI solution. Conservative government with Green party opposition. Liberals completely out.

I suspect a Conservative minority is in the cards and as such I'd rather see the Green Party having a lever on the balance of power. The obliteration of the Liberals would be a bonus but I'm not holding my breath.

[Argus]

18 hours ago, dialamah said:

People behaving as the "other" gender has been known throughout human history.

Yes, mental illness has been an ongoing part of the human condition for a long time. What's your point?

18 hours ago, dialamah said:

Second clue is that societal non-acceptance of tansgender people leads kids to commit suicide. 

Yeah, that suicide rate is not impacted by acceptance or non-acceptance. And even for those who have had sex reassignment surgery and changed gender, the suicide rate remains very high.

18 hours ago, dialamah said:

There is scientific support for transgenderism, 10 seconds found this:  

That's not what we're talking about. That's a tiny fragment of humanity. And it doesn't apply to those people who believe in gender 'fludiity' and that they can switch back and forth. Most of the people now claiming to be transgender are mentally ill, have a history of mental illness, and are simply grasping at something they think might either get them attention and sympathy or at least give them something new and meaningful in their lives.

 

 

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

"Denied the state revenue". Only the far left would dare to make a statement like that about a cut to income tax or the GST. As if the state had a right to everyone's money and it was a horrible crime to lower how much money the state took.

I am sure that's not the biggest screw up Harper had.

[Shady]

On 5/1/2019 at 2:47 PM, GostHacked said:

While you figure it out, let me help you.

We can talk about the SNC-Lavalin issue. As that did not start under Trudeau, and even dated before Harper.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2015/oct/14/canadas-real-barbarism-stephen-harpers-dismembering-of-the-country

 

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/06/Stephen-Harper-Abuses-of-Power-2/

Here seems to be some good information , that's a decent list.

Good thing I can find all this on the Internet as some of you have really short attention spans along with anything related to long term memory retention.

 

Personally I think the entire GST should be scrapped.  It’s a regressive tax that hits the middle class hardest, increasing the price of all goods and services. Cutting other taxes such as personal income tax rates can be good as well.  It puts more money in the pockets of the person actually working and earning that money.  Corporate tax cuts are sometimes necessary so that Canadian businesses can compete globally.  Regardless, the money belongs first to the person earning it, not the government confiscating it.  We ultimately work for ourselves and our families first and foremost, not the government.  You’re turning into quite the statist.  Suggesting that Canadians keeping more of the money they earn is fuckimg them over is quit a stretch, and shows how far society has bent the knee in the transfer of power and authority to our government overseers.

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

Personally I think the entire GST should be scrapped.  It’s a regressive tax that hits the middle class hardest, increasing the price of all goods and services. Cutting other taxes such as personal income tax rates can be good as well.  It puts more money in the pockets of the person actually working and earning that money.  Corporate tax cuts are sometimes necessary so that Canadian businesses can compete globally.  Regardless, the money belongs first to the person earning it, not the government confiscating it.  We ultimately work for ourselves and our families first and foremost, not the government.  You’re turning into quite the statist.  Suggesting that Canadians keeping more of the money they earn is fuckimg them over is quit a stretch, and shows how far society has bent the knee in the transfer of power and authority to our government overseers.

I basically agree with you, except that government can provide some services the private sector simply won’t.  One example is massive public works infrastructure like the St. Lawrence Seaway or high speed rail.  I personally would like to see a five percent spending cut across all departments except Transport, Defence, and Health to build the infrastructure of the future that will ultimately attract the best and brightest and raise productivity, government revenues, and overall employment.  This includes huge investments in electrified heavy and light rail, from subways to fast and frequent intercity rail. Basically we need to be able to ditch private vehicles as much as possible in the future.  It’s a return to walkable Victorian villages, connected by spurs to the larger network.  Slash commute times and reduce greenhouse gas emissions to raise quality of life.  Also do what Korea has done, making the fastest high speed internet widely available. People should be able to live closer to where they work in complete communities.  Building codes must change so that all new houses are built with solar shingles/panels and green roofs.  Protect aquifers, reuse rainwater, and move the society towards a zero carbon footprint.  Probably add enhancing universal free healthcare to include prescription drugs (or at least reduce cost through bulk buying and subsidies).  

So yes, some targeted lowering of taxes is a good idea, preferably personal taxes, combined with sensible public spending cuts in multiple areas to pay for enhancing a few key public investments.  This will ultimately generate more business, help the country to effectively battle climate change (without a carbon tax that hits consumers), improve public health (with lower health care costs due to a less stressful lifestyle and cleaner environment), and raise quality of life for Canadians (attracting the most talented and highly educated/skilled).  That’s the kind of platform I’d like.  It’s neither Liberal nor Conservative, perhaps a bit more on the Conservative side with Green elements.  

However, I want to see the Energy East and TransMountain pipelines built to boost the resource sector, add energy independence, and improve the environment (due to fewer diesel trucks and trains).  We need to target about half of our current immigration to the north to open up the rest of the country and make remote communities more self-sustaining (through incentives and graduated citizenship, fully granted after candidates meet a northern residence requirement).  Canada must also diversify trade away from the US to reduce our dependence on an unpredictable US market and boost our military spending to reduce reliability on the military of a US that is a less reliable ally. 

Edited May 5, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

....  Canada must also diversify trade away from the US to reduce our dependence on an unpredictable US market and boost our military spending to reduce reliability on the military of a US that is a less reliable ally. 

 

Canada should do these things regardless U.S. predictability or reliability.    The U.S. is not responsible for Canada's economic or military viability.