Trudeau Vs Trump

[Shady]

I think that this is now a legitimate question.

[Hates politicians]

Trump because he can only run 2 terms. Canadians are stupid enough to vote for the liar gang again.

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Hates politicians said:

Trump because he can only run 2 terms. Canadians are stupid enough to vote for the liar gang again.

I'd go with Trudeau, because he's got a bigger chance of losing sooner rather than later, and if he gets to his second re-election bid, it will occur before Trump leaves office after his second term. I expect both of them to get re-elected though.

[-TSS-]

Isnt Trudeau currently in the middle of political crisis which may force him out of office? 

[cannuck]

7 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Isnt Trudeau currently in the middle of political crisis which may force him out of office? 

That would only happen in a country with genuine rule of law, some kind of moral compass and a population that gave a shit.

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, cannuck said:

That would only happen in a country with genuine rule of law, some kind of moral compass and a population that gave a shit.

Compare Canada on ethics with any country.  Beats the US and any country I can think of.  The fact that JWR's hissy fit about feeling pressured is even a thing says it all.  In China the government just blatantly directs the courts to take decisions.  In Russia political opponents are murdered or compromi scandal is used to discredit them.  Assets are stolen by the oligarchy.  In the US military might and the police apparatus often overreaches, doesn't go far enough, or goes after the wrong kinds of things.  The courts are more politicized down there for sure.  The rule of law is strong in Canada and Canadians are among the most highly educated and well informed citizenry in the world.  Ample data shows this.  If you don't like it here, either make the changes that you think should happen, accept that you are living in perhaps the freest country in the world with one of the best run societies, or leave it.

[Dougie93]

I think Trudeau will survive the immediate insurrection in the ranks, but on the current trajectory, I can see this wounded government falling before 2024.

I could see Trudeau stepping down before the second mandate is done, even if/when he does win again, and certainly if he only wins a minority.

Edited March 6, 2019 by Dougie93

[cannuck]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Compare Canada on ethics with any country.  Beats the US and any country I can think of.  The fact that JWR's hissy fit about feeling pressured is even a thing says it all.  In China the government just blatantly directs the courts to take decisions.  In Russia political opponents are murdered or compromi scandal is used to discredit them.  Assets are stolen by the oligarchy.  In the US military might and the police apparatus often overreaches, doesn't go far enough, or goes after the wrong kinds of things.  The courts are more politicized down there for sure.  The rule of law is strong in Canada and Canadians are among the most highly educated and well informed citizenry in the world.  Ample data shows this.  If you don't like it here, either make the changes that you think should happen, accept that you are living in perhaps the freest country in the world with one of the best run societies, or leave it.

That's pretty arrogant coming from someone who has argued for weeks to support organized crime and the political mechanism that has not only allowed but supported their criminal activities for decades.

Let me put this as simply as I can:   Have you EVER done anything that has caused a criminal, or especially a criminal in an elected office to go to jail?  Have you ever put any of your money and time (and in this case I mean SUBSTANTIAL amounts of both) on the line to seek out criminal prosecution, defend against improper/illegal prosecution or change the laws of this country?

When you have done that, you will have earned the right to criticize the many things I have done in that vein.

To that I can add from considerable personal experience: the rule of law in this country is a sham.  You, the Little Turd and SNC are perfect examples of that.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Compare Canada on ethics with any country.  Beats the US and any country I can think of.

 

Maybe try thinking a little bit harder.   Rah rah Canada is fine and even expected during times of government scandal.

Canada also has serious deficiencies for open government, data access, and reporting.

Trudeau has four guilty ethics violations...so far.

 

[Zeitgeist]

11 minutes ago, cannuck said:

That's pretty arrogant coming from someone who has argued for weeks to support organized crime and the political mechanism that has not only allowed but supported their criminal activities for decades.

Let me put this as simply as I can:   Have you EVER done anything that has caused a criminal, or especially a criminal in an elected office to go to jail?  Have you ever put any of your money and time (and in this case I mean SUBSTANTIAL amounts of both) on the line to seek out criminal prosecution, defend against improper/illegal prosecution or change the laws of this country?

When you have done that, you will have earned the right to criticize the many things I have done in that vein.

To that I can add from considerable personal experience: the rule of law in this country is a sham.  You, the Little Turd and SNC are perfect examples of that.

You just revealed your morality by your personal insult.  Nothing more need be said. I have zero respect for your take on matters of justice.  

I imagine you’re the sort of ideological Puritan who would have no problem with the Bolshevik collectivization or Stalin’s gulags.  What’s 9000 jobs?  They can find other work. Please.  I deal in the real world. 

Edited March 6, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[cannuck]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You just revealed your morality by your personal insult.  Nothing more need be said. I have zero respect for your take on matters of justice.  

Thank you.  That makes me feel much better.

In your position as endorsement of continued criminal activity, I can only assume for your personal benefit, you stand very clearly on the other side of what I (and many others) see as a very clear line.

Edited March 6, 2019 by cannuck

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, cannuck said:

Thank you.  That makes me feel much better.

In your position as endorsement of continued criminal activity, I can only assume for your personal benefit, you stand very clearly on the other side of what I (and many others) see as a very clear line.

Get a job.

[cannuck]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Get a job.

I have several of them - as do my employees.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, cannuck said:

I have several of them - as do my employees.

I feel sorry for them. 

[cannuck]

32 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I feel sorry for them. 

You would...we don't allow them to break the law - anywhere.

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Avoid personal attacks. 

[Carlus Magnus]

People tend to vote with their pocket book.  Trump has improved the American economy, Trudeau has not performed as well in that area. 

 

[cannuck]

3 hours ago, Carlus Magnus said:

People tend to vote with their pocket book.  Trump has improved the American economy, Trudeau has not performed as well in that area. 

 

Not true at all.   We have poured billions into importing the social problems of terrorist states and caliphates, the will require thousands upon thousands of government workers to pay them to exist here, thousands more police to deal with the aftermath, and thousands more bankers to deal with their $10mm reward every time they kill a Yank.  This is what complete idiots think expands one's economy.

[OftenWrong]

Trudeau is an empty shell. He only acts as a front man, a face for the party, while the notion of true leadership eludes him. He did not rise to the position of PM because of his leadership skills, and is beholden to others who tell him what to do.

In contrast, Trump rose to the presidency despite intense opposition from both sides of the US political spectrum. He did not rise to his position by their help, and thus is not beholden to them.

Edited March 9, 2019 by OftenWrong
trim, trim, trim!

[Michael Hardner]

Trudeau is the safe bet.  He's trailing in an election that will be held this year so I would say 10-1 Trudeau loses first.

[OftenWrong]

How quickly the worm turns, sometimes

[Carlus Magnus]

4 hours ago, cannuck said:

Not true at all.   We have poured billions into importing the social problems of terrorist states and caliphates, the will require thousands upon thousands of government workers to pay them to exist here, thousands more police to deal with the aftermath, and thousands more bankers to deal with their $10mm reward every time they kill a Yank.  This is what complete idiots think expands one's economy.

+1

Well Stated Sir.

 

[-TSS-]

10 hours ago, Carlus Magnus said:

People tend to vote with their pocket book.  Trump has improved the American economy, Trudeau has not performed as well in that area. 

 

If the economy is doing badly do you blame the federal government or your provincial government? 

[Carlus Magnus]

29 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

If the economy is doing badly do you blame the federal government or your provincial government? 

Political and business leaders share most the blame.  The federal government has the most authority, therefore the most responsibility on economic issues, especially in a global economy. 

I add in business because this current wave of Globalism is not dissimilar to 17th and 18th C Globalism.  International Corps are very much like East Indies Trading Co. or the Hudson Bay Co.  They are Mercantilists going to primitive lands for resources and cheap labor, then bringing goods back to wealthy markets and a very tidy profit.  Governments like this arrangement because it keeps cheap goods coming in, the sins of resource extraction 'over there' and labor cheap at home.  And what they cannot export for jobs they bring in 3rd worlders for cheap labor at home. However, this destroys a countries middle class and it leads to populism and nativism.

 

[cannuck]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

If the economy is doing badly do you blame the federal government or your provincial government? 

I blame this on ALL federal governments of the world, and all finance backed and driven business.

We have allowed our leaders to give banks/finance a free reign to rule economies to allow them to build massive empires of economic domination that allows and rewards activities of wealth redistribution (speculative trading) at the expense of capitalizing productive enterprise that actually creates ALL wealth.

Provinces can do things that cause a bit of distortion in the short term (example: SK disastrous experimentation with socialism stalling the economy and population growth for over a half century), but it takes a national government to really screw up and open the whole thing to large scale economic treachery.   By playing on our greed and ignorance, they can keep this in place until a proper crash takes place (which we unfortunately missed in '08/'09).