Justin Trudeau the Worst PM Since Pierre Trudeau?

[h102]

2 minutes ago, capricorn said:

Waves of 10 million + is quite a few European illiterates. Do you have a site to support your statement?

Almost all the people coming from Europe were illiterate back then.

[h102]

3 minutes ago, Centerpiece said:

So why did he promise it? As I said - to win over NDP voters. Modest deficits with balanced budgets to woo Centrist Conservatives. Get rid of Harper's "embarrassing emission targets to win Green voters. Promise First Nations everything to win their vote. Suckers all.

Well I agree with that, 

[capricorn]

Just now, h102 said:

Almost all the people coming from Europe were illiterate back then.

Do you have a site to back up your statement?

[Argus]

34 minutes ago, h102 said:

Well it is an obvious racist statement and politics of fear, the idea that people fleeing a state where they are being persecuted by donald trump, that we should now factor in the costs of resettling these poor people,

I'm going to take a guess you don't actually pay any income tax.

[h102]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

I'm going to take a guess you don't actually pay any income tax.

Wrong.

[Centerpiece]

2 hours ago, h102 said:

Well it is an obvious racist statement and politics of fear, the idea that people fleeing a state where they are being persecuted by donald trump, that we should now factor in the costs of resettling these poor people, is about fear.  The costs shouldn't even matter as long as the money is spent correctly. No one ever dare ask what was the costs of resettling the waves of 10 million plus illiterate European migrants.

"Politics of fear" is one of those shallow come-backs from the Left - and especially our rudderless Liberal Party led by Captain Clarabell. Canadians are not "afraid". There is no "fear". There are only very real - and very immediate concerns about this government's uncaring and mismanaged refugee policies. Sorry to be so negative but Trudeau and his government have been such an utter disappointment to those who care about Canada that we're running out of descriptors.  

Edited August 21, 2018 by Centerpiece

[h102]

1 hour ago, Centerpiece said:

"Politics of fear" is one of those shallow come-backs from the Left - and especially our rudderless Liberal Party led by Captain Clarabell. Canadians are not "afraid". There is no "fear". There are only very real - and very immediate concerns about this government's uncaring and mismanaged refugee policies. Sorry to be so negative but Trudeau and his government have been such an utter disappointment to those who care about Canada that we're running out of descriptors.  

And what exactly is his grand failure with refugees?

[Centerpiece]

9 hours ago, h102 said:

And what exactly is his grand failure with refugees?

That's all been covered endlessly through a separate topic. 

[capricorn]

11 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

"Politics of fear" is one of those shallow come-backs from the Left - and especially our rudderless Liberal Party led by Captain Clarabell. Canadians are not "afraid". There is no "fear". There are only very real - and very immediate concerns about this government's uncaring and mismanaged refugee policies.

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This constant referencing of “the politics of fear” is itself a form of fear-mongering, where Trudeau and his top advisers want you to believe that there are mean and nasty people lurking behind every corner that you must fear and that only he can protect you from.

With this in mind, he needs villains. He wants to make bad guys out of every person who asks a challenging question about the current influx of illegal border crossers or, say, Islamist terror. (He did this to Scheer back in December, calling him Islamophobic for asking if Trudeau had a plan to tackle returning ISIS fighters.)

https://theprovince.com/opinion/columnists/furey-trudeaus-re-election-strategy-call-everyone-racist/wcm/3a811440-5930-4612-b64c-086e619ae232

And who can forget the Liberal attack ad against Harper regarding "soldiers in our streets"?

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Soldiers ad

By far the most controversial ad was the following: "Stephen Harper actually announced he wants to increase military presence in our cities. Canadian cities. Soldiers with guns. In our cities. In Canada."

This ad was never broadcast as an ad on television. It appeared on the Liberal Party of Canada website, before being widely replayed in the news media. This drew widespread criticism from commentators that the Liberals were scaremongering, seeming to suggest that the Conservatives wanted to use the military against Canadian civilians. The ad was then pulled from the website.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Liberal_Party_of_Canada_election_ads#Soldiers_ad

Be afraid, be very afraid.

[-TSS-]

Has the incumbent PM ever been challenged in his own party for leadership in order to remove him as PM? I guess not. Perhaps in Canada a party remains loyal to its man as PM as long as he is PM.

Not so in Australia. Yesterday the incumbent PM was ousted as party-leader and therefore as PM as well. A fourth time this happens within ten years.

I dont think that is a very good system. A party-leader who has led his party to an election-victory should be very difficult to remove as party-leader and PM against his will or at least there should be new elections as soon as possible.

[bush_cheney2004]

After what has arguably been Justin Trudeau's worst week (and it is only Thursday), time to recognize that his government has reinforced Canada's reputation as a nation that can't get big projects done, at any level.   Time after time, projects die and the world passes Canada by....

 

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"For Canada there is a bigger message here that isn't just about this pipeline," Charest told host Vassy Kapelos. "The general impression it has left, not just in the United States but elsewhere in the world, is that Canada is a country that can't get its big projects done.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/charest-pipeline-keystone-trans-mountain-1.4644063

 

 

[Centerpiece]

Just a reminder of how well "respected" Trudeau is around the world. He was the host of the G7 conference. One would think everyone knew who he was and would be anxious to engage with him - the likeable character that he is - according to the MSM. Watch this video - it's painful - but telling. Nobody wants to talk to poor Justin:

Link: 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

Another Canadian long knife aimed at Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's back, because he is failing at his #1 foreign policy job...the care and feeding of the relationship with the sitting U.S. president, no matter how difficult.    It is in the prime minister job description, and Trudeau has underperformed.

 

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Most Canadians might not like the idea of Mr. Trudeau cozying up to Mr. Trump, a leader who represents just about everything they abhor. But no Canadian prime minister can ever afford to alienate his U.S. counterpart. With NAFTA talks set to resume next week, Mr. Trudeau should spend his Labour Day weekend on the phone, buttering up Mr. Trump, rather than applying sunscreen at Harrington Lake.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-trudeau-must-reach-out-to-trump-to-save-nafta/

 

Canadians "will not be pushed around" ?   Mexico has already done that.

[Tribal_wayz]

Anarchy and tyranny:

Samuel Francis argued that the problems of managerial state extend to issues of crime and justice. In 1992, he introduced the word “anarcho-tyranny” into the paleocon vocabulary.^[13] He once defined it this way: “we refuse to control real criminals (that's the anarchy) so we control the innocent (that's the tyranny).”^[14] Francis argued that this situation extends across the U.S. and Europe. While the government functions normally, violent crime remains a constant, creating a climate of fear (anarchy). He says that “laws that are supposed to protect ordinary citizens against ordinary criminals” routinely go unenforced, even though the state is “perfectly capable” of doing so. While this problem rages on, government elites concentrate their interests on law-abiding citizens. In fact, Middle America winds up on the receiving end of both anarchy and tyranny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managerial_state

[Goddess]

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/trump-warns-he-could-cause-the-‘ruination’-of-canada/ar-BBN1iZn?li=AAggNb9

 

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A Canadian official who spoke on condition of anonymity on Friday said the dairy issue is indeed one of the matters that has not been resolved. But the official said there are other unresolved issues, too, including Trudeau’s two key recent demands.

Trudeau said this week that his “red lines” are the preservation of the “Chapter 19” dispute resolution system, which allows Canada to challenge U.S. duties at an independent panel rather than in U.S. courts, and the preservation of the “cultural exemption” that allows Canada to favour Canadian music, movies and television, among other cultural products, over U.S. competitors.

 

Why is Trudeau holding out on the "cultural exemption"?

He has repeatedly stated his belief that Canada has no culture and nothing worth preserving.

[dialamah]

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

He has repeatedly stated his belief that Canada has no culture and nothing worth preserving

I tried googling this but did not find any quotes.  Could you provide a cite, please?

We've been protecting our Canadian music, movies and television for as long as I can remember.  Are you one of those who think we should not?   

[taxme]

On 8/20/2018 at 3:59 PM, h102 said:

Well it is an obvious racist statement and politics of fear, the idea that people fleeing a state where they are being persecuted by donald trump, that we should now factor in the costs of resettling these poor people, is about fear.  The costs shouldn't even matter as long as the money is spent correctly. No one ever dare ask what was the costs of resettling the waves of 10 million plus illiterate European migrants.

How is it racist? I am really starting to hate hearing that word. The word racist is so over used these days and most times over nothing. It is not Donald Trump that has persecuted anyone. It is the illegals who have pretty persecuted themselves by entering America illegally. And now they enter Canada illegally. The tax dollars blown on illegals is a sham and a bloody shame. It does matter as to how my tax dollars are spent. The cost of resettling the illiterate and non assimilating so called refuge migrants in Europe has no doubt run into the billions. Dam politicians anyway. They never did care about their taxpayer's tax dollars and that goes for our Canadian politicians also.  Maybe money trees do exist. Hey, you never know with the way politicians blow dollars these days. . 

Edited September 7, 2018 by taxme

[Army Guy]

Canadian music stands for itself, most of the big Canadian artist have signed with American labels....go figure....Canadian movies and TV....majority of Canadians are hooked on American TV and movies....what was the last Canadian movie that was a block buster ?....Most Canadian actors are in Holywood…..again go figure....but hey lets not forget CBC radio.... So what are we protecting again...

 

[taxme]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Canadian music stands for itself, most of the big Canadian artist have signed with American labels....go figure....Canadian movies and TV....majority of Canadians are hooked on American TV and movies....what was the last Canadian movie that was a block buster ?....Most Canadian actors are in Holywood…..again go figure....but hey lets not forget CBC radio.... So what are we protecting again...

 

What is Trudeau and Freeland protecting, you ask? Quebec and it's dairy farmers but of course. I can bet that is the stumbling block in these NAFTA negotiations. If the french cannot get their way then Quebec could go down and they will be allowed to take the rest of Canada down with them. After all was it not our prime mistake who said way back when that Canada is better off with Quebec in it, and if Quebec did separate he would go live in Quebec. Everything in this country is all about La Belle Province.My opinion.   

[taxme]

21 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I tried googling this but did not find any quotes.  Could you provide a cite, please?

We've been protecting our Canadian music, movies and television for as long as I can remember.  Are you one of those who think we should not?   

Canada has been protecting and subsidizing our Canadian newspapers and news magazines and the CBC for several decades now and look what we get from them all the time. Constant Trump and conservative bashing. They are both racist, sexist and anti-immigrant. I think that is what keeps them alive is Trump and conservative bashing. And I believe that the majority of Canadians love to hear and read about all the bashing going on against Trump and conservatives too.   Just saying. 

[Goddess]

28 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I tried googling this but did not find any quotes.  Could you provide a cite, please?

We've been protecting our Canadian music, movies and television for as long as I can remember.  Are you one of those who think we should not?   

It's the general consensus of many regarding his policies and what he wants to accomplish in Canada.

https://torontosun.com/2016/09/14/trudeau-says-canada-has-no-core-identity/wcm/60461a6d-7cb4-42a9-b242-05be9aaea46c

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“There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada,” Trudeau said, concluding that he sees Canada as “the first post-national state.”

Even the New York Times called the suggestion “radical.”

Despite Trudeau’s bizarre musings, Canada has a proud history and strong traditions............................

But Trudeau takes this all for granted.

He doesn’t think there is anything special about Canadian history or traditions.

Instead, he suggests Canada is nothing but an intellectual construct and a hodgepodge of various people, from various backgrounds, who just happen to live side by side in the territory known as Canada.

Trudeau seems embarrassed, even ashamed of our Western culture and values.

Far from standing up for Canada and promoting our core principles at home and abroad, Trudeau frequently apologizes for Canada.

That’s why he feels no shame in speaking at a segregated mosque, where women and girls are forbidden from entering through the front door, or sitting in the main hall.

He can call himself a “feminist” while also tolerating the subjugation and segregation of women, when it suits his political interests.

 

 

[dialamah]

14 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It's the general consensus of many regarding his policies and what he wants to accomplish in Canada.

Ok, thanks.  Not having a "core identity" sounds odd to me too, although given the divide I see here maybe its accurate.  If some of us don't care that babies might be born here from out-of-country mums, or that we have Muslims among our refugees and immigrants, but other people think these things insult or.threaten Canada, what does that say about our "core identity"?

How would you define our "core identity"?

And you didn't say:  Do you think our cultural 'stuff' (music, TV) etc. should be protected?

[Argus]

14 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Ok, thanks.  Not having a "core identity" sounds odd to me too, although given the divide I see here maybe its accurate.  If some of us don't care that babies might be born here from out-of-country mums, or that we have Muslims among our refugees and immigrants, but other people think these things insult or.threaten Canada, what does that say about our "core identity"?

A core identity doesn't mean every single person feels the same way about everything. Some people feel okay with migrants crossing the border. But MOST want them deported. Some feel okay with women covering their faces at citizenship ceremonies. But MOST want them to stop. Some people feel immigrants have no need to assimilate, but MOST feel they need to do more to assimilate. Some people feel Sir John A Macdonald's statues and name should be disappeared, but MOST people feel they should not.

 

[dialamah]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

A core identity doesn't mean every single person feels the same way about everything. Some people feel okay with migrants crossing the border. But MOST want them deported. Some feel okay with women covering their faces at citizenship ceremonies. But MOST want them to stop. Some people feel immigrants have no need to assimilate, but MOST feel they need to do more to assimilate. Some people feel Sir John A Macdonald's statues and name should be disappeared, but MOST people feel they should not.

 

Ok. So what is the core identity that Trudeau fails to recognize?  Is that we don't like people who break the rules or who look different from us?

[Argus]

20 hours ago, dialamah said:

Ok. So what is the core identity that Trudeau fails to recognize?  Is that we don't like people who break the rules or who look different from us?

 

Culture is the shared values, history and experiences of a people who grew up together and who, by and large, shared so many, many cultural touchstones of childhood, youth, adolescence, of growing up here, of what we all experienced together or separately. What it felt like, what we did and thought and learned and were taught growing up in Canada. And no, it wasn't all identical, but anyone who grew up in Canada would recognize so many things that they had shared with others who had grown up, even a thousand miles away. It all produces a similar mentality, a similar sentimentality, and common customs and values and beliefs. No unanimity, of course, but a basic, core centre you'd find the great majority of people agreeing with.

Edited September 9, 2018 by Argus