Justin Trudeau the Worst PM Since Pierre Trudeau?

[Queenmandy85]

The main issue is how do you bridge the concerns of the BC Government and the concerns of the Federal and Alberta Governments. Kinder Morgan received approval from the current Federal Government. How do you get the TM pipeline built other than as a Crown Corporation? It is similar to the Conservative Government's efforts to get the Transcontinental Railroad built. They said that was going to be a boondoggle too.

The real problem is the lack of education in this country. We should be replacing fossil fuels with nuclear power. It should be a global effort. But shoulda-woulda-coulda has no impact in the real world. The Federal Government has no choice and it will at least have the strong potential of making money for the Crown.

[PIK]

4 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

It's those legal and political parameters from this government that got us here in the first place - and has now sent a signal to the world that it is virtually impossible to get our natural resources out of the ground and shipped to global markets. First, they changed the rules on the environmental review process - a process which had already been successfully completed by Kinder Morgan. That process is in itself, so onerous and subjective that it will scare off investment. Then they came up with Bill C-48 - the oil tanker moratorium, now in the senate - which virtually guarantees that no further coastal shipping projects can be built. An oil project - in the national interest, following a route that's been viable for 65 years can't be built? We're being played for suckers - duped by US funded money to keep out resources in the ground while the US forges ahead and are now an oil exporter. As Obama boasted: "This administration has built enough pipeline to circle the globe - and then some". Our wild-eyed, naive eco-nuts have been duped by US Big Oil into making Canada the Sucker Nation. Remember all the "protests" in the US over the XL Pipeline - a pipeline to funnel Canadian oil to Tidewater? Where was all the outrage over the Obama pipeline boasting?

Lets not forget the fracking obama did.

[Centerpiece]

4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The main issue is how do you bridge the concerns of the BC Government and the concerns of the Federal and Alberta Governments. Kinder Morgan received approval from the current Federal Government. How do you get the TM pipeline built other than as a Crown Corporation? It is similar to the Conservative Government's efforts to get the Transcontinental Railroad built. They said that was going to be a boondoggle too.

The real problem is the lack of education in this country. We should be replacing fossil fuels with nuclear power. It should be a global effort. But shoulda-woulda-coulda has no impact in the real world. The Federal Government has no choice and it will at least have the strong potential of making money for the Crown.

Stop being suckers - that's how you get it built. Enough is enough. You will never satisfy the eco-nuts - you'll never get their approval. As I explained, if they are not in the pocket of US interests, they are so full of self-righteous, save-the-world naivete that they can't see the forest for the trees.

[Queenmandy85]

30 minutes ago, Centerpiece said:

Stop being suckers - that's how you get it built. Enough is enough. You will never satisfy the eco-nuts - you'll never get their approval. As I explained, if they are not in the pocket of US interests, they are so full of self-righteous, save-the-world naivete that they can't see the forest for the trees.

And...where do you propose to go from there? Do you expropriate KM? That's what the bolshevik commie Socialist Credit Government did to BC Electric, stealing money from the shareholders, Do you over throw the BC government? Do you ignore the law or the political realities? What exactly do you do to not be a "sucker."

[taxme]

25 minutes ago, Centerpiece said:

Stop being suckers - that's how you get it built. Enough is enough. You will never satisfy the eco-nuts - you'll never get their approval. As I explained, if they are not in the pocket of US interests, they are so full of self-righteous, save-the-world naivete that they can't see the forest for the trees.

It seems like minorities always get their way. How a hand full of people are allowed to get away with creating so much trouble for hundreds of thousands of people is beyond me. This is not a way to run a country where a few people can stop huge big projects that will create thousands of jobs and create tax revenue for the government. if injury or life were a threat, especially in this case, than maybe there would be a reason for the anti-crowd against everything to cry wolf but this pipeline does not fall into that category. Minorities must not be allowed to dictate to the majority as to how things will be and get done. Enough already. 

[Queenmandy85]

Just now, taxme said:

It seems like minorities always get their way. How a hand full of people are allowed to get away with creating so much trouble for hundreds of thousands of people is beyond me. This is not a way to run a country where a few people can stop huge big projects that will create thousands of jobs and create tax revenue for the government. if injury or life were a threat, especially in this case, than maybe there would be a reason for the anti-crowd against everything to cry wolf but this pipeline does not fall into that category. Minorities must not be allowed to dictate to the majority as to how things will be and get done. Enough already. 

Again, what exactly are you proposing? 3 MLA's hold the balance of power. They are the road block. How do you deal with them?

[taxme]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

And...where do you propose to go from there? Do you expropriate KM? That's what the bolshevik commie Socialist Credit Government did to BC Electric, stealing money from the shareholders, Do you over throw the BC government? Do you ignore the law or the political realities? What exactly do you do to not be a "sucker."

The suckers are the majority who allow themselves to be dictated by a small minority as to what can and cannot be built. This needs to be nipped in the bud now. Enough already. 

[Queenmandy85]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

The suckers are the majority who allow themselves to be dictated by a small minority as to what can and cannot be built. This needs to be nipped in the bud now. Enough already. 

That's easy to say, but it is just vague rhetoric. By what process do you 'nip it in the bud?' If you have any concrete ideas, I'm sure Trudeau and Notley would appreciate your ideas.

Edited May 30, 2018 by Queenmandy85

[bush_cheney2004]

44 minutes ago, Centerpiece said:

Stop being suckers - that's how you get it built. Enough is enough. You will never satisfy the eco-nuts - you'll never get their approval. As I explained, if they are not in the pocket of US interests, they are so full of self-righteous, save-the-world naivete that they can't see the forest for the trees.

 

Agreed....U.S. energy interests and their capital investment in Canada are dwindling fast, as are other foreign multi-national energy corps.   The juice just isn't worth the squeeze anymore because of mounting obstruction and regulation from a gaggle of special interests in Canada.  

Even Canadian capital is leaving for the USA....easier to bring conventional rigs online there.

Trudeau has fallen into the same trap that his father did...must run in the family.

Edited May 30, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[taxme]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Again, what exactly are you proposing? 3 MLA's hold the balance of power. They are the road block. How do you deal with them?

No projects should be halted just because of a few whiny crybabies who are against just about everything that involves big projects and can create thousands of jobs. That is not democracy. That is dictatorship by a few. Communism was forced on the people in Russia in 1917 just by a few hundred communists. Maybe a vote should be taken by all the MLA's and see what happens and the majority shall win either for or against. That is how things should be dealt with. 

[Queenmandy85]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

 Maybe a vote should be taken by all the MLA's and see what happens and the majority shall win either for or against. That is how things should be dealt with. 

Yes, but as the commie premier of BC said, "every vote is a free vote, but if we lose, there will be an election." That ended that idea. The NDP will not chance an election if they face defeat. Same for the Greens. 

[taxme]

9 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That's easy to say, but it is just vague rhetoric. By what process do you 'nip it in the bud?' If you have any concrete ideas, I'm sure Trudeau and Notley would appreciate your ideas.

What part of majority or minority rule are you not understanding here? I gave my concrete ideas as to what should be done in a democratic way. Screw the minority is my answer to Trudeau and Notley and that fool Morgan. 

[taxme]

Just now, Queenmandy85 said:

Yes, but as the commie premier of BC said, "every vote is a free vote, but if we lose, there will be an election." That ended that idea. The NDP will not chance an election if they face defeat. Same for the Greens. 

It is sad that free votes are not allowed to be held in Canada at all levels of government. Allow it to happen for all politicians to be able to vote thru secret ballots. Majority wins. Canada would not be in the mess that it is in today if we had secret ballots where all politicians then would have no fear to express their feelings without repercussions by the leader of their party. The leaders of political party's should not be allowed to dictate to all the members of that party as to how they should think or vote. That is not democracy, it is dictatorship.  

[Queenmandy85]

You haven't quite got an understanding of how politics works. Governments may have a majority, but they must obey the law. That is the 'constitutional' part of a Constitutional Monarchy. However, Trudeau is forging ahead and ensuring the TM is starting construction. Indications are that Horgan is anxious for the whole issue to go away. That is why he has merely made a futile court referral to be able to tell Weaver he did all he could.

It appears this is all moot.

[Queenmandy85]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

It is sad that free votes are not allowed to be held in Canada at all levels of government. Allow it to happen for all politicians to be able to vote thru secret ballots. Majority wins. Canada would not be in the mess that it is in today if we had secret ballots where all politicians then would have no fear to express their feelings without repercussions by the leader of their party. The leaders of political party's should not be allowed to dictate to all the members of that party as to how they should think or vote. That is not democracy, it is dictatorship.  

That's easy to say, but, if the Government loses a vote, they fall. there would likely be an election. I agree, party leaders have too much power but if you were an MP, would you want to go through the expense of an election every few months?

[Argus]

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The main issue is how do you bridge the concerns of the BC Government and the concerns of the Federal and Alberta Governments. Kinder Morgan received approval from the current Federal Government. How do you get the TM pipeline built other than as a Crown Corporation?

The federal government has sole jurisdiction over interprovincial matters and can easily declare this in the national interest and push it through. But they lack the courage to do so, fearing electoral losses among left wing Liberal supporters.

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The real problem is the lack of education in this country

Indeed. Most Canadians live in cities and have no clue how much of our economy is based on natural resource extraction and the ancillary jobs which support that. 

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

We should be replacing fossil fuels with nuclear power. I

The same people fighting  the pipeline would  fight even more fanatically against a nuclear power plant.

 

[Queenmandy85]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

The federal government has sole jurisdiction over interprovincial matters and can easily declare this in the national interest and push it through. But they lack the courage to do so, fearing electoral losses among left wing Liberal supporters.

That is what they have just done.

[Argus]

20 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That is what they have just done.

No, they have not. They sidestepped such a declaration by buying out the private sector company. Now they will placidly go through the motions and patiently put up with British Columbia's delaying tactics for as long as politically expedient.

[Centerpiece]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

No, they have not. They sidestepped such a declaration by buying out the private sector company. Now they will placidly go through the motions and patiently put up with British Columbia's delaying tactics for as long as politically expedient.

It'll be interesting to watch. If they are true to form, the eco-nuts will be out in force with their "civil disobedience". If Trudeau allows them to stall the project, he will pay a big price come election day. It's Canadians who own the pipeline now - not Liberals - and we expect the government to uphold the rule of law and do what they said they'd do on behalf of Canadians - and that's to build the pipeline. It's a mess of their own making. They will lose more votes if they don't build it than if they do. No more pussy footing around. Interesting indeed.

[Argus]

So the G7 is getting set to start, and everyone with more than a single brain cell knows that the important issue is going to be international trade, and figuring out how to deal with the man baby from the US. 

And Justin Trudeau? Well, he has other priorities.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is looking to reassert Canada’s claim to climate change leadership at the coming Group of Seven summit, just a week after his government announced it would acquire the Trans Mountain oil pipeline and fund its expansion.

Mr. Trudeau will host Group of Seven political leaders at the summit in Charlevoix, Que., this week and has said support for the Paris climate change agreement is a key priority, despite opposition from U.S. President Donald Trump.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/article-trudeau-aims-to-reassert-canadas-claim-to-climate-change-leadership/

[turningrite]

On ‎6‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 11:34 AM, Argus said:

So the G7 is getting set to start, and everyone with more than a single brain cell knows that the important issue is going to be international trade, and figuring out how to deal with the man baby from the US. 

And Justin Trudeau? Well, he has other priorities.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is looking to reassert Canada’s claim to climate change leadership at the coming Group of Seven summit, just a week after his government announced it would acquire the Trans Mountain oil pipeline and fund its expansion.

Mr. Trudeau will host Group of Seven political leaders at the summit in Charlevoix, Que., this week and has said support for the Paris climate change agreement is a key priority, despite opposition from U.S. President Donald Trump.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/article-trudeau-aims-to-reassert-canadas-claim-to-climate-change-leadership/

Justin Trudeau will be posing for the cameras to appease his base and appeal to domestic audiences. There will no doubt be cute photo-ops and virtue-signalling sound bites intended to light up smiles among Liberal-friendly "progressives" (presumably minus some environmentalists, who've ditched him) but cause a lot of other Canadians to cringe. He is a marginal figure in world affairs and has rendered Canada's role more meaningless as time passes. Trump, if he's forced to be within reasonable proximity of Trudeau, will put on his best quizzical grin and promptly move on to more important leaders and matters. 

Edited June 6, 2018 by turningrite

[Argus]

Lest you fear Trudeau is entirely fixated on Climate Change, he reassures us he has his priorities in the right place. He's not gonna let 'distractions' like trade wars get in the way of what's important!

Trudeau says gender equality will be top priority at G7 summit despite concern about Trump’s distractions
The Trudeau government says gender equality will be a top priority as a reachable goal at the G7 leaders’ summit in Quebec this week, despite concerns Canada’s agenda could be overshadowed by tensions between U.S. President Donald Trump and other leaders over trade and tariffs.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-trudeau-says-gender-equality-will-be-top-priority-at-g7-summit-despite/

[PIK]

On 5/30/2018 at 3:09 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

That's easy to say, but it is just vague rhetoric. By what process do you 'nip it in the bud?' If you have any concrete ideas, I'm sure Trudeau and Notley would appreciate your ideas.

Deep down neither one wants a pipeline.

[taxme]

On 5/30/2018 at 12:09 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Agreed....U.S. energy interests and their capital investment in Canada are dwindling fast, as are other foreign multi-national energy corps.   The juice just isn't worth the squeeze anymore because of mounting obstruction and regulation from a gaggle of special interests in Canada.  

Even Canadian capital is leaving for the USA....easier to bring conventional rigs online there.

Trudeau has fallen into the same trap that his father did...must run in the family.

That family has done more to destroy Canada then anyone else could ever come close in trying to do. When you are a pro multiculturalist and communist what the hell do you know about how to run a country except to maybe know how to destroy one. Trudeau is a follower and an admirer of Soros and Alinsky and that says it all. 

Trudeau knows what he is doing. He is setting a trap for Canada and Canadians. 

[taxme]

On 5/30/2018 at 12:35 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

That's easy to say, but, if the Government loses a vote, they fall. there would likely be an election. I agree, party leaders have too much power but if you were an MP, would you want to go through the expense of an election every few months?

 

On 5/30/2018 at 12:35 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

That's easy to say, but, if the Government loses a vote, they fall. there would likely be an election. I agree, party leaders have too much power but if you were an MP, would you want to go through the expense of an election every few months?

It appears to work fine in America. From my understanding the government does not fall over a vote?