President says the U.S. doesn't need a free trade agreement with Canada.

[blackbird]

What a joke.  The U.S., Mexico, and Canada have benefited for decades with billions of dollars worth of trade, creating many jobs and providing goods for everyone.  It is a mutually beneficial trade structure.  His disrespectful and insensitive comments are not helping any of our countries.  Sad.  Nobody should take him seriously.  He obviously doesn't listen to the trade experts.

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[BeaverFever]

His words and random mumblings are meaningless  US industry groups from every industrial sector have testified that depend on USMCA including automotive, manufacturing, home building, retail and others. 

Ultimately Trump can’t can’t cancel CUSMA. All he can do is refuse to renew it for a  16 year term and instead will renew year to year. Cancelling would require an act of congress which even republicans don’t support. His tariffs are already the most unpopular policy of one of the most unpopular presidents in living memory. And he will be outnof office in a little over 18 months 

[Barquentine]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

he will be outnof office in a little over 18 months 

I'm thinking Trump will quit some time between the mid-terms and his 4-year term.

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

I'm thinking Trump will quit some time between the mid-terms and his 4-year term.

Or declare himself dictator for life. You never know. Either way his cult will defend him. 

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

I'm thinking Trump will quit some time between the mid-terms and his 4-year term.

He won't quit.  There is far too much stature and financial gains for him and family/friends to be made in being the POTUS than being in the public sector.  I doubt his narcissistic and grifter being is capable of walking away from those self-serving benefits.

I can though see him expiring before his 4 year term is over.  Closing in on 80, out of shape, sedentary lifestyle, and cognitive decline don't bode well for him.

[Nationalist]

Meh...maybe he's right. I dont know and I doubt anyone here does either.

But never fear. We got a carney.

Elbows Up.

[John Johnston]

18 hours ago, blackbird said:

What a joke.  The U.S., Mexico, and Canada have benefited for decades with billions of dollars worth of trade, creating many jobs and providing goods for everyone.  It is a mutually beneficial trade structure.  His disrespectful and insensitive comments are not helping any of our countries.  Sad.  Nobody should take him seriously.  He obviously doesn't listen to the trade experts.

Except the small fact half of America voted for him and support his insanity. From this day onward the world will look differently to the mighty US of A. And not in a good way. And as usual, everyone else pays the highest price. 

[LinkSoul60]

Yesterday Trump says they don't need anything from Canada or Mexico.  Today Hoekstra advocates for trade and a strong Canada that ultimately benefits the US.

Is this part of the so-called "the art of the deal", or a just close to senile man child mumbling away...

Hard to understand why we haven't agreed to a deal yet....

[John Johnston]

10 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

He won't quit.  There is far too much stature and financial gains for him and family/friends to be made in being the POTUS than being in the public sector.  I doubt his narcissistic and grifter being is capable of walking away from those self-serving benefits.

I can though see him expiring before his 4 year term is over.  Closing in on 80, out of shape, sedentary lifestyle, and cognitive decline don't bode well for him.

 

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

I'm thinking Trump will quit some time between the mid-terms and his 4-year term.

Perhaps. But Trump is only a symptom. there will be another right on his heels to take his place. 

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, John Johnston said:

 

Perhaps. But Trump is only a symptom. there will be another right on his heels to take his place. 

Trump is the cancer, not the symptom.  Yes the second in command Vance would step into the seat but hard to believe that he would be as incompetent as Trump...?  Then again, nothing from that àss kissing administration would surprise me.

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

Except the small fact half of America voted for him and support his insanity. From this day onward the world will look differently to the mighty US of A. And not in a good way. And as usual, everyone else pays the highest price. 

Why do you expect the US to support you and/or your country?

You pay whatever price you figure you incur, because your own government has put you such a position.

Now...had Canastan something of real value to trade...like oil or gas or agricultural goods...this might not be happening. But hey...you Libbies got your regulations and taxes to finance your country...

Elbows Up.

Edited June 11 by Nationalist

[BeaverFever]

33 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Trump is the cancer, not the symptom.  Yes the second in command Vance would step into the seat but hard to believe that he would be as incompetent as Trump...?  Then again, nothing from that àss kissing administration would surprise me.

TRUMP is the symptom of a sick country.  America elected him BECAUSE of their ailing society and it will not all go away like a bad dream when he’s gone. 
 

Homestly though  ironically the western world will probably be thankful for Trump because he is the overdue wake up call that ended US dominance.
 

Before Trump America had the West eating out of the palm of its hand, totally dependent upon US financial systems, US military might, American big tech firms, and countless global institutions and trade rules and international standards that primarily served to further entrench US domination for generations to come. And Canadian/European countries were just like “well that’s just the way it is, no way to change it all now” And now everyone is diversifying away from US and rediscovering national sovereignty like crazy, especially data sovereignty and cloud sovereignty which USA opposes for everyone except themselves. And considering that we are at the dawn of the new AI era foe this moment to have come any later it may have been too late.
 

If Biden or Kamala or even a moderately sane republican had been elected we probably would have continued sleepwalking right into the lion’s mouth. But Trump’s sheer incompetence and hostility to his erstwhile allies has not only exposed the urgency but provided us with the political cover to do what would have been previously unthinkable. 

Edited June 11 by BeaverFever

[John Johnston]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

TRUMP is the symptom of a sick country.  America elected him BECAUSE of their ailing society and it will not all go away like a bad dream when he’s gone. 
 

Homestly though  ironically the western world will probably be thankful for Trump because he is the overdue wake up call that ended US dominance.
 

Before Trump America had the West eating out of the palm of its hand, totally dependent upon US financial systems, US military might, American big tech firms, and countless global institutions and trade rules and international standards that primarily served to further entrench US domination for generations to come. And Canadian/European countries were just like “well that’s just the way it is, no way to change it all now” And now everyone is diversifying away from US and rediscovering national sovereignty like crazy, especially data sovereignty and cloud sovereignty which USA opposes for everyone except themselves. And considering that we are at the dawn of the new AI era foe this moment to have come any later it may have been too late.
 

If Biden or Kamala or even a moderately sane republican had been elected we probably would have continued sleepwalking right into the lion’s mouth. But Trump’s sheer incompetence and hostility to his erstwhile has not only exposed the urgency but provided the political cover to do what would have been previously unthinkable. 

Well said. 

[John Johnston]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Why do you expect the US to support you and/or your country?

You pay whatever price you figure you incur, because your own government has put you such a position.

Now...had Canastan something of real value to trade...like oil or gas or agricultural goods...this might not be happening. But hey...you Libbies got your regulations and taxes to finance your country...

Elbows Up.

That is one of the differences between Canada and US. We try not to destroy our land so a few Corporations can make billions while everyone one else cannot afford to eat. If you cannot stand up for something. Stand down. 

[Nationalist]

Just now, John Johnston said:

That is one of the differences between Canada and US. We try not to destroy our land so a few Corporations can make billions while everyone one else cannot afford to eat. If you cannot stand up for something. Stand down. 

Lol...so choke your own people so YOU can feel noble.

What a traitor.

[John Johnston]

Trump his Family their friends are making billions and laughing at America while they continue to support the MAGA bullshit. The same people who are losing there homes, businesses and farms will vote Republican again anyway. I have watched this happen since Newt Gangrene started his America first nonsense. 

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...so choke your own people so YOU can feel noble.

What a traitor.

Noble? No. Smart people do not shit in their own backyard. 

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[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

Trump his Family their friends are making billions and laughing at America while they continue to support the MAGA bullshit. The same people who are losing there homes, businesses and farms will vote Republican again anyway. I have watched this happen since Newt Gangrene stared his America first nonsense. 

Noble? No. Smart people do not shit in their own backyard. 

Correct. Instead, smart people USE what they have in their yard, to their benefit. If you want to grow food in your yard, you'll need to either buy the implements, or make a deal for the use of necessary implements.

You DO NOT let the yard go to waste, while your family starves! Hugs feewings will not feed them.

[Deluge]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

What a joke.  The U.S., Mexico, and Canada have benefited for decades with billions of dollars worth of trade, creating many jobs and providing goods for everyone.  It is a mutually beneficial trade structure.  His disrespectful and insensitive comments are not helping any of our countries.  Sad.  Nobody should take him seriously.  He obviously doesn't listen to the trade experts.

All we've really seen is democrats & neocons making the rest of the world greater than America. You perverts have this weird attraction to the third-world, but we're not putting up with it anymore.

Just keep your diapers changed: Trump's tariff experiment isn't over yet. 

[LinkSoul60]

35 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

TRUMP is the symptom of a sick country.  America elected him BECAUSE of their ailing society and it will not all go away like a bad dream when he’s gone. 
 

Homestly though  ironically the western world will probably be thankful for Trump because he is the overdue wake up call that ended US dominance.
 

Before Trump America had the West eating out of the palm of its hand, totally dependent upon US financial systems, US military might, American big tech firms, and countless global institutions and trade rules and international standards that primarily served to further entrench US domination for generations to come. And Canadian/European countries were just like “well that’s just the way it is, no way to change it all now” And now everyone is diversifying away from US and rediscovering national sovereignty like crazy, especially data sovereignty and cloud sovereignty which USA opposes for everyone except themselves. And considering that we are at the dawn of the new AI era foe this moment to have come any later it may have been too late.
 

If Biden or Kamala or even a moderately sane republican had been elected we probably would have continued sleepwalking right into the lion’s mouth. But Trump’s sheer incompetence and hostility to his erstwhile allies has not only exposed the urgency but provided us with the political cover to do what would have been previously unthinkable. 

You're spot on with this.  At the end of the day and as difficult as it is for our economy in this 'new' relationship with the US, it will ultimately be the best thing that happened to Canada. To your point, had Harris been the choice elect we'd be where we've been the last X amount of decades... which has been more integration and reliance on the US.  The US's longer term loss of global stature and trust is our benefit, today and longer term.

I'll disagree though on Trump being a symptom. A symptom is a consequence of an underlying cause and it's fair to say that he has only elevated the divisive politics the last 10 years for his benefits, which has worked for him.  Much of the ailing society symptoms the US has can be laid directly at the feet of the cancer known as Trump...IMO.

[Nationalist]

52 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

TRUMP is the symptom of a sick country.  America elected him BECAUSE of their ailing society and it will not all go away like a bad dream when he’s gone. 
 

Homestly though  ironically the western world will probably be thankful for Trump because he is the overdue wake up call that ended US dominance.
 

Before Trump America had the West eating out of the palm of its hand, totally dependent upon US financial systems, US military might, American big tech firms, and countless global institutions and trade rules and international standards that primarily served to further entrench US domination for generations to come. And Canadian/European countries were just like “well that’s just the way it is, no way to change it all now” And now everyone is diversifying away from US and rediscovering national sovereignty like crazy, especially data sovereignty and cloud sovereignty which USA opposes for everyone except themselves. And considering that we are at the dawn of the new AI era foe this moment to have come any later it may have been too late.
 

If Biden or Kamala or even a moderately sane republican had been elected we probably would have continued sleepwalking right into the lion’s mouth. But Trump’s sheer incompetence and hostility to his erstwhile allies has not only exposed the urgency but provided us with the political cover to do what would have been previously unthinkable. 

Ok well...no. Neither Brandon nor Kamala were even close to being fit for office. They've already proven that.

So America no longer wants to finance your existence. Now you're stuck whining about alliances that were bleeding America. Poor stupid you.

Gee...it might have been a good idea to develop and bring to market the gargantuan amount of natural resources in your country...eh? Chances are, that simple act a decade ago, would probably have put Canastan in a much better position, eh?

Instead all you got is;

'We relied on America and did nothing to further our own security, and now America does wanna support us anymore and we have all this undeveloped stuff we've ignored.'

Poor stupid you.

Elbows Up.

Edited June 11 by Nationalist

[herbie]

The President is a fool that thinks he can con job the majority to believe he is bringing back jobs as he brings back the most menial in manufacturing and assembly as he saddles them with higher costs fro labour, and materiels and gouges them for trillions in the hidden taxes he calls tariffs.

A policy that failed every time it was tried so far.