Topaz Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Cruz was booed by the delegates and they repeated Trump over and over again last night when Cruz made his speech and didn't endorse Trump. Cruz and the Bush family are against Trump and they probably would vote for Clinton, since they are partners in crime. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/20/politics/ted-cruz-republican-convention-moment/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Even though I loathe Ted Cruz, I have to admire the sheer amount of balls this took. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Senator Ted Cruz is a sore loser, and only hurt himself with such a stunt. I mean c'mon...this is a guy who even denounced Canadian citizenship ! Anyway....he supposedly signed pledge(s) to endorse the GOP nominee no matter who won: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/21/did-ted-cruz-pledge-back-republican-nominee/ More free media buzz for Trump even in, ironically, Canada ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Even though I loathe Ted Cruz, I have to admire the sheer amount of balls this took. -k Yes, pretty amusing. Trump claims he saw the speech ahead of time, but I also heard (haven't seen a clip) that he ran onstage to try to stop or distract? Anyway trust repubs to boo voting one's conscience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Cruz is nothing more than a slimy, opportunistic weasel. There was nothing brilliant about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 This is better than Jerry Springer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Senator Ted Cruz is a sore loser, and only hurt himself with such a stunt. I mean c'mon...this is a guy who even denounced Canadian citizenship ! Anyway....he supposedly signed pledge(s) to endorse the GOP nominee no matter who won: That was before the nominee said his father was involved in the assassination of Kennedy, right? I honestly don't see how anyone with an ounce of self-respect could see themselves sneered at, mocked, insulted and put down by Trump's childish insults and then turn around and endorse that person. Chris Christie has become a joke for sucking up to the guy who treated him like a fat putz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I mean c'mon...this is a guy who even denounced Canadian citizenship ! The word you're looking for is renounced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Cruz is nothing more than a slimy, opportunistic weasel. There was nothing brilliant about this. True on the weasel assessment but I disagree with the second part. I think it was well played. Trump shouldn't have said anything about Heidi that was a low blow. Cruz got the last laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 True on the weasel assessment but I disagree with the second part. I think it was well played. Trump shouldn't have said anything about Heidi that was a low blow. Cruz got the last laugh. I don't think this had anything to do with his wife or father. It had to do with his run at the Presidency in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I don't think this had anything to do with his wife or father. It had to do with his run at the Presidency in 2020. Today, in response to last night, Cruz said he wouldn't endorse someone who attacked his wife and frankly I think he has every right. He may have ulterior motives but for what he stated, he's totally just. The way he went about it was great though. Well played. The look on Trump and family was precious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Insult the guy's wife and accuse his father of being implicit in the Kennedy assassination, then expect him to give you a job referral. Wonder how well that would have gone down on The Apprentice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) The time to get tough was during the campaign. Instead, Cruz initially let others do the hard lifting against Trump while he drafted along in his slipstream. He was the most talented candidate in the field but I think there will be even less of a market next time round for what he is selling. Edited July 21, 2016 by SpankyMcFarland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Senator Ted Cruz is a sore loser, and only hurt himself with such a stunt. He only hurt himself with this stunt if Trump wins in November. If Trump loses to Hillary, then Cruz can spin this significantly to his benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) Even though I loathe Ted Cruz, I have to admire the sheer amount of balls this took. -k WTF? Jeb Bush did not say anything. Ted Cruz was invited to say what he said. Who has the balls? Edited July 22, 2016 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 He only hurt himself with this stunt if Trump wins in November. If Trump loses to Hillary, then Cruz can spin this significantly to his benefit. Cruz knows trump will lose. He played it very well. He took full advantage of the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 WTF? Jeb Bush did not say anything. Ted Cruz was invited to say what he said. Who has the balls? Cruz was invited... but not to disrespect Trump at his own convention. The Bush family-- all of them-- took the high road by declining to attend Trump's coronation. Cruz, on the other hand, didn't take the high road. And the sheer audacity of what he did-- agree with him or not-- took balls. Watch the video of the end of the speech, where he smirks defiantly as thousands of people boo and howl at him, looking like he is savoring the moment... and tell me that didn't take balls. There's no doubt in my mind that it was personal, but I also read some comments from Cruz earlier this week. He was doing some post-mortem of the campaign, where he complained that he was portrayed as an intolerant nut-case televangelist... and he drops this in his speech last night: "Freedom means religious freedom, whether you are Christian or Jew, Muslim or atheist. Gay or straight. The Bill of Rights protects the rights of all of us to live according to our conscience." ...it makes me think he's already positioning himself for 2020. I think he's banking that Trump's campaign is going to go down in flames in a Hindenburg type disaster, and that there won't be any political retribution for refusing to endorse the Hindenburg. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) There's no doubt in my mind that it was personal, but I also read some comments from Cruz earlier this week. He was doing some post-mortem of the campaign, where he complained that he was portrayed as an intolerant nut-case televangelist... and he drops this in his speech last night: "Freedom means religious freedom, whether you are Christian or Jew, Muslim or atheist. Gay or straight. The Bill of Rights protects the rights of all of us to live according to our conscience." ...it makes me think he's already positioning himself for 2020. I think he's banking that Trump's campaign is going to go down in flames in a Hindenburg type disaster, and that there won't be any political retribution for refusing to endorse the Hindenburg. -k This passage stood out to me too, I mentioned it in my status update yesterday. He not only didn't endorse Trump, he basically rebuked him without saying so. It was also interesting what came after. He got a few mild claps with the religious rights, then he went on mention LGBT rights which got a few more claps, to gun rights (roar) to fetus rights (standing o). The progression of his choices put the religion and sexual-orientation rights it in the exact context of what his audience needed to hear it in. He did very well. Edited July 22, 2016 by BC_chick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Cruz was booed by the delegates and they repeated Trump over and over again last night when Cruz made his speech and didn't endorse Trump. Cruz and the Bush family are against Trump and they probably would vote for Clinton, since they are partners in crime. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/20/politics/ted-cruz-republican-convention-moment/ One politician who doesn't hold his finger to the wind before saying what he thinks. And I agree about no endorsing some loser like Trump who makes fun of the disabled, Cruz's wife and insinuated that his father was involved in the Kennedy assassination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 That was before the nominee said his father was involved in the assassination of Kennedy, right? I honestly don't see how anyone with an ounce of self-respect could see themselves sneered at, mocked, insulted and put down by Trump's childish insults and then turn around and endorse that person. Chris Christie has become a joke for sucking up to the guy who treated him like a fat putz. I don't care for Cruz but IMO he did show some integrity by not endorsing Trump, how could he after what was said about his family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 I don't care for Cruz but IMO he did show some integrity by not endorsing Trump, how could he after what was said about his family.Then he should have stayed home. Can't have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 What are you people talking about? "Well Played"...really? Good grief, by the end of it, he looked like he was about to actually cry. He stepped in it big time. This was political suicide - and before the end of the speech, he knew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) I don't care for Cruz but IMO he did show some integrity by not endorsing Trump, how could he after what was said about his family. I totally agree though I felt more warmly towards Cruz. He is a man of integrity and principal; a true class act. Then he should have stayed home. Can't have it both ways. Trump wanted him to speak. Cruz made no promises. Cruz circulated a draft of the speech to the Trump campaign. Story over. What are you people talking about? "Well Played"...really? Good grief, by the end of it, he looked like he was about to actually cry. He stepped in it big time. This was political suicide - and before the end of the speech, he knew it. Reagan was similarly lukewarm about Ford in 1976, with no notable "political suicide" at the time despite the orations of the "savvy" set. Edited July 23, 2016 by jbg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Ted Cruz ia about as likable a fellow as Al Gore...."Lucifer in the flesh": The comment, which was made public by Boehner's former spokesman, revives the well-documented animosity between the former speaker of the House and the former presidential hopeful. Throughout the Republican primary, Boehner made it clear that he would never vote for Cruz, deeming him "Lucifer in the flesh" and a "miserable son of a bitch." As for Trump, Boehner has said the two were "texting buddies." http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/john-boehner-ted-cruz-lucifer-donald-trump Edited July 23, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I totally agree though I felt more warmly towards Cruz. He is a man of integrity and principal; a true class act. Trump wanted him to speak. Cruz made no promises. Cruz circulated a draft of the speech to the Trump campaign. Story over. Reagan was similarly lukewarm about Ford in 1976, with no notable "political suicide" at the time despite the orations of the "savvy" set. The difference is, Reagan told the party that they should unite, Cruz told them to vote their conscience. The new buzz word these days is "dog while" politics - and Cruz played it. BTW - Cruz is no Ronald Reagan. I can't wait until people who applaud Cruz's integrity try to make it OK when Sanders (who has been openly shafted by the media and DNC) stumps for Hillary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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