America under President Trump

[WestCanMan]

Boges how much do you know about the Bidens and their family business?

You seem like you’re 100% certain that they’re squeaky-clean and Trump’s just making things up.

[Yzermandius19]

I like how Boges gives Biden the benefit of the doubt, yet every doubt that comes up is somehow proof of Trump's guilt, all with zero hard evidence like the kind that he is demanding in Biden's case.

Obvious partisan hack invoking a double standard is obvious. And no Boges, just because a few other people are also playing by a double standard, giving Trump the benefit of the doubt and seizing on every doubt as proof of Biden's guilt, that doesn't give you a pass, they are being partisan hacks too. Being a partisan hack for the other team doesn't make you the "impartial" middle like you think it does, it makes you a partisan reactionary.

Edited October 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Boges how much do you know about the Bidens and their family business?

You seem like you’re 100% certain that they’re squeaky-clean and Trump’s just making things up.

How many times does it need to be said it doesn't matter one iota if the Bidens are guilty of anything? 

Why should anything Biden's done excuse Trump from being subjected to impeachment?

[Argus]

On 10/5/2019 at 9:25 AM, WestCanMan said:

Boges how much do you know about the Bidens and their family business?

Well, we seem to know a lot about the Trumps and their family business.

https://ca.rogers.yahoo.com/news/eric-ivanka-donald-trump-jr-joe-biden-conflicts-white-house-trump-organization-035717794.html

Edited October 6, 2019 by Argus

[OftenWrong]

Joe Biden is now politically un-dead, Zombie Joe Biden. He's been thrown overboard, kicked off the Democrat boat, his coffin set adrift at sea. An offering to the media shit-storm, may it please the gods and defeat the evil white cetacean, Moby Trump.

It wants you too, Joe. It wants you too.

Edited October 6, 2019 by OftenWrong

[Zeitgeist]

The challenge that keeps Trump afloat is his Everyman failure.  Because everyone is a deplorable to at least some degree, we all see ourselves in him.  He’s Joker, the evil misfit.  He’s pure emotional reaction, the privileged under attack.  Even though he’s rich and out of touch, we know what he’s about. I think many people feel assured by the very fact that someone like that can persist in the face of Puritanical political correctness.  It’s why he may win the next election.  He’s the reactionary conservative punked out.  Right as left, world upside down, Saturnalia.  War on everything.  Disruption.  Strange times.  

[Dougie93]

36 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Strange times.  

Good times.  Chaos is a ladder.  Happy warriors.

[Yzermandius19]

31 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Good times.  Chaos is a ladder.  Happy warriors.

Donald Trump is excellent at climbing the ladder, the Democrats keep falling over and over again and the fall is breaking them.

Edited October 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

On 10/5/2019 at 9:10 AM, WestCanMan said:

How is that even possible?

The Bidens got a cushy $600k per year gig in the Ukraine while daddy was influential there, did $1.5B business in China while he was there.

The Biden family is a $2B business. That’s like a small country.
 

But they weren’t even under suspicion. If you say the name Biden the whole Dem party and MSM goes bananas. Methinks they doth protest too much. 

 

That's called Nepotism, not corruption. The Trump's are very familiar with Nepotism. 

[Boges]

13 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Good times.  Chaos is a ladder.  Happy warriors.

That character that said that in Game of Thrones ended up being executed for his crimes while begging for his life. Just sayin'. 

Opps, Spoiler Alert. 

Edited October 7, 2019 by Boges

[Boges]

On 10/5/2019 at 6:11 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

I like how Boges gives Biden the benefit of the doubt, yet every doubt that comes up is somehow proof of Trump's guilt, all with zero hard evidence like the kind that he is demanding in Biden's case.

Obvious partisan hack invoking a double standard is obvious. And no Boges, just because a few other people are also playing by a double standard, giving Trump the benefit of the doubt and seizing on every doubt as proof of Biden's guilt, that doesn't give you a pass, they are being partisan hacks too. Being a partisan hack for the other team doesn't make you the "impartial" middle like you think it does, it makes you a partisan reactionary.

1) Trump has admitted to doing what he's accused of, and even upped the anti with asking China to do the same. 

2) Biden has said very little about this. It's other media reports and quotes from Ukrainian officials where I cite that the Biden's weren't being investigated. 

[Rue]

Trump is using the powers of his office for partisan reasons that compromise foreign relations with other nations that should be based on the best interests of the US not the best interests of Trump. That is the issue and it has most certainly triggered constitutional issues. 

Trump has lowered the highest office in the US to a toy for his personal use. If you Trump groupies can not see that then take a look at Justin and tell me his using his face as he did with Lavalin was acceptable.

Are you Trump groupies really that blind? 

Edited October 7, 2019 by Rue

[Boges]

37 minutes ago, Rue said:

Trump is using the powers of his office for partisan reasons that compromise foreign relations with other nations that should be based on the best interests of the US not the best interests of Trump. That is the issue and it has most certainly triggered constitutional issues. 

Trump has lowered the highest office in the US to a toy for his personal use. If you Trump groupies can not see that then take a look at Justin and tell me his using his face as he did with Lavalin was acceptable.

Are you Trump groupies really that blind? 

It's what brutal dictators do. 

The only defence now is that Biden did it as VP, very isn't true at all, so Trump can do it. 

Trump can't even really deny that there wasn't any Quid Pro Quo with a straight face. 

[WestCanMan]

On 10/5/2019 at 4:52 PM, eyeball said:

How many times does it need to be said it doesn't matter one iota if the Bidens are guilty of anything? 

Why should anything Biden's done excuse Trump from being subjected to impeachment?

It doesn’t to you, that’s just your opinion. 

[Boges]

Now Trump drives an even further wedge between himself and Senate Republicans. 

He's abandoned the Kurds. 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/07/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-syria-troops/index.html

Edited October 7, 2019 by Boges

[WestCanMan]

On 10/6/2019 at 6:49 AM, Argus said:

Well, we seem to know a lot about the Trumps and their family business.

https://ca.rogers.yahoo.com/news/eric-ivanka-donald-trump-jr-joe-biden-conflicts-white-house-trump-organization-035717794.html

So which is it Argus? Should stuff like this be investigated or is Donald Trump's word that it's all legit good enough for you? What if Fox News says it's all good? Will that satisfy you Argus? I guess so, seeing as you're personally exonerating Biden.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

That's called Nepotism, not corruption. The Trump's are very familiar with Nepotism. 

Wrong. You 100% don't understand the massive difference between the two. Nepotism isn't necessarily a crime.

If you get your nephew hired at a mill while you're the manager there that's nepotism and it's perfectly legal/legit.

If you are a member of the gov't and your family gets gifts from a foreign country that's not nepotism. That's very likely evidence that you're engaging in influence peddling.

[Boges]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

If you are a member of the gov't and your family gets gifts from a foreign country that's not nepotism. That's very likely evidence that you're engaging in influence peddling.

But not real evidence. 

 

It wasn't just Biden that wanted the prosecutor fired. 

https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

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European and US officials pressed Ukraine to sack Viktor Shokin, the country’s former prosecutor-general, months before Joe Biden, the former US vice-president, personally intervened to force his removal, people involved in the talks said. Mr Biden did not act unilaterally nor did he instigate the push against Mr Shokin, despite suggestions to the contrary by supporters of US president Donald Trump, people familiar with the matter said.  The circumstances of Mr Shokin’s sacking, which took effect in March 2016, have become a flashpoint in the impeachment saga enveloping US president Donald Trump.

 

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

But not real evidence. 

 

It wasn't just Biden that wanted the prosecutor fired. 

https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

 

Real enough to start an investigation. $3B reasons. 

And fyi just because Biden's family was scoring gobs of loot doesn't mean that no other countries had their bellies up to the bar.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Real enough to start an investigation.

Real enough to extort military money for political gain too?

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Real enough to extort military money for political gain too?

Speculation. Trump had already given Javelin missiles to Ukraine. It was someone else's turn to supply aid. The US isn't an open bank under Trump.

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Speculation. Trump had already given Javelin missiles to Ukraine. It was someone else's turn to supply aid. The US isn't an open bank under Trump.

Two days after this Whistleblower complaint came out. Coincidence? 

Diplomats were trying to arrange the Quid Pro Quo of an investigation in exchange for the funds. 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/04/donald-trump-ukraine-scandal-joe-biden-whistleblower/

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During a closed-door hearing on Capitol Hill on Thursday, Kurt Volker, the former U.S. special envoy to Ukraine, sought to distance himself from efforts to pressure Ukraine and said in his opening testimony that he did not believe there was a connection between the security aid package that was temporarily withheld and the president and his allies’ request that Ukraine investigate the Bidens. 

But the tranche of messages exchanged between Volker; Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union; and Bill Taylor, the chargé d’affaires for Ukraine—which were released late Thursday night by House committees after Volker’s nearly 10-hour deposition—paint a more complicated picture of his role. Some messages suggested that Volker was actively aware that a meeting between Zelensky and Trump depended on whether the Ukrainian president could convince Trump that he would open the investigation. 

 

 

[eyeball]

47 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It doesn’t to you, that’s just your opinion. 

in my opinion Biden was the VP of a war criminal so I could care less what happens to him.

In the meantime my question stands, why should anything Biden's done excuse Trump from being subjected to impeachment?  Is there some new legal principle based on two wrongs making something right that I'm unaware of?

[Boges]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

In the meantime my question stands, why should anything Biden's done excuse Trump from being subjected to impeachment?  Is there some new legal principle based on two wrongs making something right that I'm unaware of?

It's the principals of "two wrongs most certainly make a right."

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Two days after this Whistleblower complaint came out. Coincidence? 

Diplomats were trying to arrange the Quid Pro Quo of an investigation in exchange for the funds. 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/04/donald-trump-ukraine-scandal-joe-biden-whistleblower/

 

There was a shipment of Javelins before the phone call.

The aid that was on hold at the time of the call was a second shipment.

The Dems are always making things up and investigating them. Russian collusion was a total farce. Kavanaugh's attempted rape was a total farce. It's a farce to sy that Biden doesn't need to be investigated.