Michael Hardner Posted July 2, 2019 Report Posted July 2, 2019 The guards are said to harrass inmates with no accountability or action from management. AOC asks how this is related to lack of budget ? This is just inhumanity. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted July 2, 2019 Report Posted July 2, 2019 11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: The guards are said to harrass inmates with no accountability or action from management. AOC asks how this is related to lack of budget ? This is just inhumanity. We haven't seen anything yet. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted July 2, 2019 Report Posted July 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, eyeball said: We haven't seen anything yet. Let's make it clear - especially to liberal Americans - that their country is embracing extremism. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted July 2, 2019 Report Posted July 2, 2019 Just now, Michael Hardner said: Let's make it clear - especially to liberal Americans - that their country is embracing extremism. I think this ship sailed decades ago myself. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Posted July 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Let's make it clear - especially to liberal Americans - that their country is embracing extremism. So ? By definition, the United States has always embraced extremism...from the very beginning. This is America's choice....again. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted July 2, 2019 Report Posted July 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So ? Yes, exactly. This is why I suggested speaking to morally grounded people rather than those with inconsistent morality. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Yes, exactly. This is why I suggested speaking to morally grounded people rather than those with inconsistent morality. And this is why I suggest a better understanding of U.S. history, at least consistent with the veracious consumption of so much American media. Trump is just another American president, and there will be others just like clockwork, with no concern about the morality plays from north of the border. Look at the bright side....Trump is not a "genocide" prime minister. Edited July 2, 2019 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 22 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Look at the bright side....Trump is not a "genocide" prime minister. Actually Trump is helping one going on in Yemen at this moment. 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 4, 2019 Report Posted July 4, 2019 Blue Angels at the end a nice touch. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Zeitgeist Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 10:26 AM, bush_cheney2004 said: And this is why I suggest a better understanding of U.S. history, at least consistent with the veracious consumption of so much American media. Trump is just another American president, and there will be others just like clockwork, with no concern about the morality plays from north of the border. Look at the bright side....Trump is not a "genocide" prime minister. What the US did to Indians was a lot more like actual genocide, including massacres. Anyway, there were also wars between the French and English and the War of 1812. Still, happy Independence Day... Quote
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 9:39 AM, bush_cheney2004 said: By definition, the United States has always embraced extremism...from the very beginning. The shot heard round the world for the win, glory, glory, hallelujah. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 7, 2019 Report Posted July 7, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 10:14 AM, Michael Hardner said: Yes, exactly. This is why I suggested speaking to morally grounded people rather than those with inconsistent morality. What's consistent about US morality? Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 7, 2019 Report Posted July 7, 2019 1 hour ago, GostHacked said: What's consistent about US morality? Consistently the best in the world. Quote
WestCanMan Posted July 7, 2019 Report Posted July 7, 2019 On 7/1/2019 at 6:29 PM, Michael Hardner said: The guards are said to harrass inmates with no accountability or action from management. AOC asks how this is related to lack of budget ? This is just inhumanity. If you believe what they're saying that's your problem. All evidence to this point is to the contrary. Did you ever ask yourself why these concerned politicians don't take any picture or video evidence of these things? And AOC asks how this is related to lack of budget because she's as dumb as a random internet poster. It's related to lack of budget because 600,000 people were caught trying to cross the border illegally in 2019 and the Dems have been busy blocking money from the border. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted July 7, 2019 Report Posted July 7, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 6:10 AM, eyeball said: We haven't seen anything yet. That's right, you haven't. No one has. They just make baseless accusations and spout platitudes. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted July 7, 2019 Report Posted July 7, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 6:22 AM, Michael Hardner said: Let's make it clear - especially to liberal Americans - that their country is embracing extremism. Rather, let's try and understand some very basic concepts about life without a border wall: -there are tens of thousands of encounters between armed border guards and illegal border crossers every month (it's a miracle that there are actually zero instances of unnecessary use of force complaints), -all those people crossing the border require food, shelter, clothing detainment and processing and a lot of them require medical attention and all of that costs money, -the current facilities are operating at several times their capacity, -Democrats have back border funding at every turn, just so that they can politicize all of this, -Republicans said there was a border crisis for months, saying that kids were being smuggled in by human traffickers and that people are dying out in the desert, and Dems called "the crisis" a farce until some people died in a river - now suddenly it's a crisis? LMAO at the politicians who couldn't see a problem in advance, and wouldn't even acknowledge it until there was a glorious photo op. Here's the thing MH. It's incredibly stupid for politicians like AOC and Sanders to say that the border is open, ICE should be abolished, everyone should be guaranteed housing and a 'living wage", university should be free, everyone should get free medical, etc. How can the US possibly function with the kind of mass immigration that they will see if that all came to pass? It's absolute lunacy. The Dems have to know that they're lying, or that they will destroy the country. Add to all that their theory that people should pay 90% and higher taxes on everything that they earn over $200K. It's a recipe for demotivation and economic disaster. How do you even get your kids to go to high school if they're "guaranteed housing and a living wage"? Why would they want to work hard enough to get a job where they earn $400K just so that they can make $30K more than a high school dropout? There's no way that an intelligent, reasonable person would back the Democrats on any of this. It's utterly moronic. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Michael Hardner Posted July 7, 2019 Report Posted July 7, 2019 19 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Consistently the best in the world. The best people. ( The plaintiff in the case was 13 years old.) Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
WestCanMan Posted July 7, 2019 Report Posted July 7, 2019 21 hours ago, GostHacked said: What's consistent about US morality? What's upsetting you about the US now GH? The burden of proof is on you, the accuser, not on the accused. Make a case against them or you're just another whiny loser with no credibility. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted July 7, 2019 Report Posted July 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: The best people. ( The plaintiff in the case was 13 years old.) Is this assault merely alleged, like the video showing a reporter getting beaten up, or is it an established fact like the "attempted rape of Dr Ford that happened at an undisclosed location during an undisclosed year with no witnesses or police statements"? Just like in the case of Lisa Swetnick, I don't find testimony to be "more believable" when it involves multiple instances of people showing up at parties where there's a strong likelihood of them getting raped, again and again. Was this 13 yr old a big party-goer? Do you know a lot of 13 yr olds who attend a lot of parties? Probably not. Do you know any who would go when they knew that a rapist was likely to be there again and again? You fall for some really dumb shit MH. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
OftenWrong Posted July 7, 2019 Report Posted July 7, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 9:22 AM, Michael Hardner said: Let's make it clear - especially to liberal Americans - that their country is embracing extremism. It was already extreme before Donald Trump. That was the opinion of conservative Americans, and why he was elected, and the more you point out how one-sided it is in your view, the more you add to the problem. Because you see, "For every political action, an equal and opposite reaction + 1" - Albert OftenWrong Quote
GostHacked Posted July 7, 2019 Report Posted July 7, 2019 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: What's upsetting you about the US now GH? The burden of proof is on you, the accuser, not on the accused. Make a case against them or you're just another whiny loser with no credibility. What kind of morality is needed to support genocide in Yemen via Saudi Arabia, and attempting to start another war with Iran, while trying to convince me the Saudi Arabia is better than Iran? What kind of morality is needed for a nation not to provide basic health care for it's people? What kind of morality is needed to bail out the banks to the tune of half a trillion dollars while claiming there is no money for that health care or proper education? Anyways the question I asked is just another way of what MH said. But then that means both MH and I asked about the USA's morality based on BC_2004's post. Hence the burden would be on BC to prove the points. I'll ignore the 'whiny loser with no credibility'' slander for now. Quote
eyeball Posted July 8, 2019 Report Posted July 8, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 6:39 AM, bush_cheney2004 said: So ? By definition, the United States has always embraced extremism...from the very beginning. This is America's choice....again. The US has always signalled a profound desire for stability. This is clearly evidenced by a long record of hostility, fear and actions it's chosen to take again and again in the name of preventing and addressing instability. The US has definitely gone to extreme lengths to make the case for its more dodgy actions while also embracing extremists in the course of acting with all too often predictable results. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted July 8, 2019 Report Posted July 8, 2019 3 hours ago, WestCanMan said: That's right, you haven't. No one has. They just make baseless accusations and spout platitudes. What do you mean no has seen inhumanity before? You've got some nerve lecturing anyone about baseless platitudes. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted July 8, 2019 Report Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: It was already extreme before Donald Trump. That was the opinion of conservative Americans, and why he was elected, and the more you point out how one-sided it is in your view, the more you add to the problem. A system that continues to change to support moneyed interests, but not fast enough for them is what they mean by extreme. They are never satisfied. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 8, 2019 Report Posted July 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: A system that continues to change to support moneyed interests, but not fast enough for them is what they mean by extreme. They are never satisfied. Why should they be satisfied ? It is conflict and competition that moves the needle in America, not complacency. America has always had this energy....sizzle...and drive for moneyed interests. Why would it change now ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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