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Yes yes yes, orange man bad. There there. Frankly i still like him better than kamala as far as a leader goes Trump will be a pothole in the history of america's economics. There's no doubt things will change but we'll all adapt and get on with things. It's like covid - seemed like the biggest thing ever when it happened but financially it's completely in the rear view mirror and it's only been 5 years since it started. Hopefully he'll get his head out of his butt and change course. If not then amerca (and possibly the world) will have a mild recession (we're about due anyway) and then we'll recover and trump will be gone. Probably impeached by the dems if they win about 15 seats in the midterms, which they will if the economy is trash. If he does smarten up then things will get better more quickly. It's pretty much that simple. This isn't the death of america

I know. I intimidate the hell out of you most lefties feel that way. Your fear is understandable. It's natural for your type to find intelligence threatening. Because he's an evil supervillain or something? Give me a break. The evidence doesn't support that. And i'm a firm believer in the idea that you should not attribute to malice what can easily be explained by incomptenece. Crashing the economy doesn't achieve that goal. So the final answer is the same either way, his plans won't do what he wants. His buddies are already getting poorer. Musk has lost billions. Most of the others he deals with are likewise getting clobbered in the stock crash. A recession will hurt all of their businesses. So there's no logic to your argument other than you just want to think the worst of him Name one example. I've never claimed he was. He thinks he is, or the good of the US at least. IF only life were that simple. Listen kid.... I get that you're driven primarily by hatred and bigotry. And that colours your thinking AND your listening. But pay attention. I have frequently critisized trump both in the lead up to the election, during the election, and after the election. I have never pretended he is some great guy. And i also recognize the positive aspects of his time in office both first and current and i do believe some of his ideas have great merit, even if the execution does not. I don't adore or worship the guy, and i don't hate or dispise the guy. I see him with eyes wide open for what he is and isn't. In other words, i'm already quite awake, i'm just not woke. Trump is a narcissistic person who genuinely wants everyone to think he's the very best. He wants america to be the best it can be and for everyone to believe the reason it got that way was because HE is so great and he did it He very clearly thinks that tariffing the world will drive business back to the usa. He believes he will suffer a very short 'transition' and then suddenly there will be tonnes of the best jobs flooding into the country. He thinks in just 6 months or a year it will be obvious he's a genus and all will praise him. He is wrong, unless he radically changes course within about a month or so the country and probably the world will be plunged into a recession and he will be the goat they blame. But that's not what he thinks, Set your hatred aside. It doesn't do you any good.

Anyone who knows anything about numbers knows that not only do numbers lie, given half a chance they'll drink your whiskey, steal your dog and sleep with your girl Hence the saying there's lies, damn lies and statistics. Attempting to pass off the great employment shutdown necessitated by covid as "job losses" attributable to trump demonstrates right off the bat that honesty is not their front and center concern.

That'd be true if it was just one person, but they're burning Tesla dealerships, they're scratching up cars and vandalizing them, they're assaulting their owners, this isn't one incident. This is the face of the left A 2 lb rock? It's amazing how far the left will lie to mentally excuse their own disgusting Behavior

Now now, there's no need to be comparing him to democrats. I think it's pretty obvious that he actually does want America to succeed and be wealthy and more importantly for them to credit him with that result. I think he is simply wrong. He thinks this is going to work and it won't. It's as simple as that. There's no need to credit him with any 4D chess moves. He wants America to be great again, he wants everyone to think he's responsible for making it great again, his plan will not make America great again. That's where we are

Really. So you disagree with his decision and the governor's decisions to shut businesses down and send people home? You feel that the correct response would have been to keep the businesses going and have people continue to mingle during covid? Because that's what led to the work slowdowns. ANd no the facts do not hold in the slightest when you take covid out of it So in other words you are completely bullshiting and you got caught out in your lies and now you're trying to pretend that somehow there's a justification. Oh you mean like the one that Clinton caused with his housing policies which caused the collapse when the democrats refused to change those rules when the republicans got into power? I mean even Clinton has commented on it. He knew he had created a monster, the democrats wouldn't let him change the law and they wouldn't let bush change the law when he got in either out of blew up in their face. But you'll call it a republican recession even though it was entirely democrats No. where the hell did you get that? If anything i'ts your side who pisses themselves about it. I only note how often people like you demand it form others but don't do it themselves. I didn't get them, I started talking after you had already presented them. You didn't get them for me. So lie one. Secondly, i didn't "ignore' them at all, i directly addressed them in my first post to you. It was the reason i posted in the first place, to show your stats were dishonest and why. Including the covid work loss numbers in trumps' record and the covid job recovery numbers in biden's is dishonest in the extreme Also a lie, if anything the opposite is true. And i note you weren't able to actually refute any of the points i raised. You simply said 'nuh huh' as if that was some sort of logical argument Strike three What were you saying about being intellectually dishonest? the left always accuses others of what they themselves do, shame on you.

soooo ... you included covid in that. Covid, where every single democrat advocated for shutting down business and keeping people at home . You're blaming trump for covid. Sigh. If you didn't have dishonesty you'd have no honesty. When you take covid out of the picture he did better than obama. Oh and clinton created jobs by creating sub prime mortages, which is what caused the great recession. Soooo sure. Well done. You're an !diot.

This is how the left deals with "protest". The left is now attacking pregnant women. The american gov't employs someone who they don't like. So, the left turns and attacks a company associated with that person despite the fact nobody who works there has anything to do with the US gov't or the person the lefties are mad at. Which is insane enough, but they then go on to attack innocent people who have NOTHING to do with this situation a all but happed to buy a product from a company that has ties to someone the left doesn't like long before the political issue was even raised. And now has attacked someone who's pregnant and just RIDING with that person who bought the car. This is the face of the left today Pregnant Tesla passenger injured by flying rock on Vancouver street (1) Pregnant Tesla passenger injured by flying rock on Vancouver street - BC | Globalnews.ca

It's the same track. Trump is going to be a flash in the pan, our economies aren't completely changed that easily. There's no doubt that this will lead to differences in how we do some things but it's not going to change the basic principles or the basic course we've been on. This is a road bump, a pothole. Just like covid which only happened 4 years ago is now in the rear view mirror for most people the same will be set of trump. But the economic damage that's been done by the liberals over the last 10 years his generational. It is going to impact everybody who is under the age of 50 extremely substantially for many years and even decades to come. And it gets worse the younger you are. The track is the same. And the people that put us on the wrong track are not the people to put us on the right track

sounds like it's hitting back

Holy crap @Legato , looks like you lit a short fuse on a stick of stupidmite with that one. It can't, but their damn advertising team can. "makes your bowel more regular" my ass!! (so to speak)

I feel like you're stretching it, but I'll concede he's felt other countries are getting an 'unfair deal' with the us.

Holy irony batman.....

Two polls out now have him neck and neck with Carney. People like carney because they don't know him and haven't seen him and he's shiney and new. But that will fade quickly. Snake oil peddlers and false phrophets always have the skill to grab the public's attention for a short time, but we'll see.

Meh.... i can see where you were going but i think him talking 2 times about a specific country and a specific industry does not constitute picking a trade war with the whole world and wanting to all his life at best you can say he's had feelings in the past that america is being taken advantage of in trade by some countries. (or one at least). And to be clear there's nothing daft about tariffs in general. We've always had tariffs. The us has always had tariffs. Most countries have tariffs. What's new is this insane wide spread blanket tariff policy against everyone including penguins.

More people think that than you would like to believe. The simple fact is that the school "tragedy" is overhyped and most people are sick of being called some sort of monster for it. Don't get me wrong it wasnt' great but it wasn't on par with the jewish genocide which is what advocates like to believe The only people offended by it are those who were never going to vote conservative in a million years anyway Meanwhile a liberal candidate calls for the capture and murder of a rival and the libs say "oh he can stay no problem". Sorry but they set that bar way too high

You're one to talk, I woudln't say you're the dumbest person on the planet but you better hope THAT guy doesn't die.

Wow @WestCanMan, Looks like Herbie thinks you're right, he's so upset he's defaulted to 'sexual fantasy' mode again like all lefties do when they're whupped

Dude based on the numerous conversations you've had with people who actually know a lot about computers here I would say that you would have difficulty operating anything more sophisticated than a commodore 64. Nobody believes you went down and taught the FBI how to handle hard drives

?? Not disagreeing with you but what are you basing that on?

Yeah, there were definitely a few who brought down the level of conversation pretty dramatically. There are still a few but most of them don't show up too often.

All right, make a list. Name the things that they did that you liked and then let's make a list of the things they did that you don't like. If you are a sane and rational person that second list is going to be much larger. If the liberals hadn't been in power for the last 10 years you might have a point but we know their track record. Their track record has been a disaster for Canada and that's being kind. So you can dodge the question all you like but at the end of the day what you're doing is voting for a group of people who have already devastated Canada and left it vulnerable and we will continue to do so. And given the number of broken promises they've had you have absolutely no grounds to argue that there's reason to believe they'll keep any of their promises now

Ok, that was funny i don't care who you are.

Nonsense. It's the ballot box question, who's better to deal with the crisis trump is putting in front of us. He's been absolutely committed to team canada. If you need to lie to try to defend your position then he must be doing better than I thought. And the interesting thing is his numbers aren't really dropping. Most of the polls have the cpc pretty close to where they were, and some show him climbing a little again. Carney is not taking away conservative voters. PP is mostly hanging on to those. He's taking bloc and ndp voters. And PP is not going to attract those voters, he needs to remind those people why they weren't liberal voters before.

But the very same liberals who voted that tax plan in are still there. Carney was the top adviser for trudeau when he came up with it. So he's cancelling it right now because he knows it's unpopular, but he was part of the team that brought it in and the rest of the team is the same. Why would you vote for people who brought in bad ideas before and only changed their tune long enough to win an election?