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No, you are absolutely tripping over random extranea. No, the "flu season" doesn't matter. Nor percents of vaxxed vs unvaxed. Nor total deaths or deaths last month. Nor any of the other nonsense. Again, what matters is if individuals who have been vaccinated are any less likely to become severely ill or die. That's it. That's the only question in terms of outcome efficacy. If you're talking about the motivation of extreme marginal cases like the homeless or stage 4 cancer patients named Bill who had a cough last week it's a red flag that you're in trouble. We don't need to know about every Bill in the world or his specific health history. That's what proxies are for. And you can see that age stratification works well by looking at the pre-vaccine outcomes. We can see big jumps in negative outcomes with increasing age--and we don't need Bill's medical records to do it. And, we can compare the same age groups post vaccination to see if there is any change in outcome.

Final descent into abject liberalism

Dum, de dummm dummmmm.... Are you telling me that you can't see the flu season trends on that graph? Stop talking about stats right now ffs. You're off your rocker. Sure, but the best way to measure that is "how well did the exact same people fare after vaxing". Eg, "John Vaxtardia was unvaxed in 2021. He lived. He got 4 covid shots and died in 2022. The vax did not help John Vaxtardia." That's completely useful. It's a "John V vs John V" comparison. Times 38 million people. You want to focus on "How well does 0.05% of the population do, in the demographic that's completely loaded with outliers?" Or "How many people died in one summer from this group, which avg'ed 2M people, compared to the number of people who died from this group of 38M people during a flu season?" And yes, flu season is relevant, and if you don't get it, just stay silent because you're just losing credibility every time you talk. Dude, the whole 80+ crowd fluctuates wildly regarding health and life expectancy. Draw a name from a hat and there's a good chance that they'll die before you can read it, while some others will live 20 more years. And a lot of the people who are about to die know that they're about to die. Why would they vax in that instance? FWIW my father-in-law died of dementia. They die from losing the ability to swallow, among other things. While he was dying, literally on palliative care, they kept nose-swabbing him for covid daily. It hurt back then, they jabbed the cotton way back. It was also pointless. They just wanted to turn him into a stat. As far as we know they didn't mark him down as a covid death, because he didn't have it, but they seemed serious about lumping him in there. I haven't got much respect or patience for the covid fear porn crowd. I think they're shit people. In my nearly three years of covid I've seen far more excess suffering from young people than covid sufferers.

In defense of the Republicans, at least this time they didn’t elect the rapist. So there’s that.

So it's just that your so callus and disconnected from modern societal norms that it just "comes out" naturally? ............... I'm picturing a very old white man..... Sitting alone looking out a closed window..... Yelling obscenities at the cars passing by.

Nonsense. They’re our 2nd largest trading nation in terms of exports. You make it sound as if we hardly send anything their way.

I wonder if he put as much effort into 9/11 truthing? Presumably he honed his internet skills with that before taking on the COVID issue.

2 1/2 years plus 11 days or so... No thanks... So many of you learn from me and spurn me... I cry salty tears into my decaf...

They also stopped for a little Tea Party along the way.

Dixiecrats aren’t a myth they’re an inconvenient truth for both sides. Fun fact: LBJ was probably the most disgusting vulgarian to hold public office. His official recordings are full of him unapologetically belching into the phone, farting, etc. If nature called in the middle of a staff meeting,his staff had to follow him into his bathroom and watch him take a dump and wipe because he would insist that the meeting continue uninterrupted. As I understand it, LBJ fancied himself to be an authentic Texas cowboy and the unabashed crudeness and vulgarity such as blowing his nose into his bare hand and flinging the snot, using the most vulgar language wherever possible etc was apparently all a part of the “genuine cowboy” lifestyle/upbringing.

A judge overturned the “woke” law in Florida that would have allowed the state to say what could and could not be taught at universities. The judge quoted Orwell’s 1984 in describing the law. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3740100-judge-strikes-down-higher-education-portions-of-desantiss-stop-woke-act/ “‘It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen,’ and the powers in charge of Florida’s public university system have declared the State has unfettered authority to muzzle its professors in the name of ‘freedom,’” Walker wrote. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) and state GOP lawmakers championed the legislation as fighting back against a “woke” agenda pushed by liberals and banning the instilling of critical race theory. An undergraduate student, student organization and professor at the University of South Florida filed the suit in September and were supported by a variety of legal advocacy organizations. Walker ruled the First Amendment protects professors’ in-class speech and the provisions were impermissibly vague, describing the law as “positively dystopian” as he compared it to the Ministry of Truth, the propaganda agency in Orwell’s novel.

It wasn't disinformation. They were facts that you didn't find helpful for your argument, and although you're right that it requires proper context and further parsing, that's what the other two charts provided. You only came back to them after I pressed you to respond, highlighting how you accuse me of cherry picking data while buffoonishly ignoring the additional data I provided. That's the point you want to try to argue? You think that the chart shows death rates for age 40-50 is lower for unvaccinated folk, and this single data point is somehow more relevant than how hospitalizations and death rates are higher for every other age group? Talk about cherry picking! What's really funny is that you've fallen victim to optical illusion. If you looked at the link I included, the 40-50 age group had 2x the rate of death of people who'd completed their primary series of vaccines, and infinity times higher death rates than people who'd received the boosters. What looks like a smaller bar to you is in fact only so because they used a faint colour that blends in with the graph axis. Whoops! ? This doesn't help your thesis, unless you want to argue that unvaccinated people have more underlying health conditions which skewed their deaths and hospitalizations higher. In 80 plus? Yes, the exceedingly few unvaccinated super-old people could skew that data, but that's why we include all of the other age groups! ? Don't worry. You were never taken off ignore, and you'll get no further responses from me here. Your tedious squawking and self-deluding mental gymnastics aren't even valid entertainment anymore. ?

What I KNOW is that the Southern states have been shifting to solidly RED ever since Nixon's Southern strategy. ?

Grow up. 85.7% of our deaths in the last month were among the multi-vaxed. Only 14.3% of our covid deaths in the last month were among the unvaxed.

They have all the actual stats there, they just do their best to present them in the most misleading ways possible. One of their favourite tricks is to present actual stats beside each other which are in now way comparable, which is basically just a base rate fallacy graph. They don't say the words "these are directly comparable", which would be to utter a base rate fallacy, they just put the numbers beside each other on a chart and leave you to assume that they are somehow comparable, when they are absolutely not comparable in any way. Eg, there have been a few million people quadruple-vaxed for one summer, and by contrast there were 38M Canadians unvaxed for the first covid flu season after the initial wave, and 6 million of us have remained unvaxed for the 22 months since then, which included another full flu season. Making a direct comparison between the total % of covid deaths from the 5M 4xers between Dec 14 2020 and Sept 25th 2022, when they only existed for one summer in that period, with the total % of covid deaths from the unvaxed in that 2-yr span, is the epitome of a base rate fallacy. That chart was absolutely put out to be misleading, but people like you, @ExFlyer@Hodad, and @Moonbox fell for it hook, line and sinker. If disinformation was a crime then CNN and CTV would be broadcasting from prison. Infobase didn't tell you how to interpret their information, what it actually meant, or tell you to disseminate it as if it was somehow meaningful or relevant, they just put two numbers on a graph which are in no way comparable to each other and let you misinterpret it for yourself. It's like they put an elephant turd and a chihuahua in an otherwise empty room and left you to blame the dog. You fell for it. They laughed. No crime was committed. Who am I gonna tell, and what do I have to offer them aside from information that they already have? Do I have enough money to compete with big pharma for the souls of Trudeau, Pelosi and Biden? Do you remember when I told you about how much of a conflict of interest it was for Drs to be allowed to receive compensation from big pharma for prescriptions that they give out? You're seeing that play out on a global scale now. Fauci knew that there was gain-of-function research being done on coronaviruses long before he ever started pimping the bat-pangolin-human farce. He knew that coronaviruses are airborne organisms. He even knew that the specific gain-of-function research done on them was to make the coronavirus more transmissible among humans. Then when The WHO said "We don't think that H2H transmission is occurring" he said nothing. He kept on pimping the bat-pangolin theory. When social media was deep-sixing the accounts of people who mentioned the Wuhan lab, Fauci was responsible for that. Why did people who were telling the truth get censored when the biggest liar and disinformer on the planet had the biggest platform of anyone? Donald Trump, whom you hate with all your heart and soul, took the correct action by going against the recommendations of The WHO and standing up to the allegations of racism by the American MSM & the Dems, when he blocked travel from China by non-Americans. The cat was already out of the bag by that time, but at least he took the right course of action. He was roundly excoriated for it by the MSM. Then Trudeau did the same thing to India when the Delta wave came out and suddenly it wasn't racist anymore, he was just being heroic gain. Well GOLLLLeeeee. Maybe it's time to reflect instead of just reacting.

Finish your sentence: Better educated voters vote Democrat. Lower education voters prefer the Republicans. This bears out across the country, and has continued a 30-40 year trend. The Republican party thrives on white voters without post-secondary education. You're making a good case for this.

Really? That’s what you’re going to come up with? Since they didn’t write it into their party platform? How’s this: Since the GOP didn’t write any acknowledgement of racism whatsoever into their platform, it demonstrates their denial of the existence of racism, and their refusal to agree to any social or legal policies to address it. Moving this ball forward… rather than simply refuse to acknowledge or address it, their prior President and Party Leader has decided that America’s Most Important Issue is to prevent the issue of racism from being discussed or taught in classrooms. And that’s not enough: Leader #2, DeSantis, passed a law prohibiting teachers from discussing homosexuality or racism in the classroom. So the GOP isn’t merely ignoring racism, their two leaders are actively fighting to prevent anything from being done about it.

Got it… you’re just a full of sh!t troll who throws out a lie and then demands that people “prove” that his lie is untrue. As for 80% of crime is committed by males, here is the data: https://open.lib.umn.edu/socialproblems/chapter/8-3-who-commits-crime/ See how EASY it is to provide a reputable, fact-based source when you aren’t a full of sh!t troll? The truth is lickety-split. I don’t need to tell you to watch a YouTube video of some hand-waving liar. Just pure data! Easy-Peasy! As for race, there is a racial factor, but multivariate regression substantially reduces this. It certainly isn’t 80%, and anyone with common sense knows it’s not 80%. Mass shooters are almost always white males. White collar criminals are almost always white males. Donald Trump is a white male, and he’s certainly a criminal. But anyone can commit a crime; it has nothing to do with genetics.

That's sexual profiling... another hallmark of the extreme left.

Seems no one wants to talk about the fact that 80% of crime is committed by a small group of people. Especially the so called anti-racists, who can never figure out why that is. Because they are obsessed with skin colour, they in fact confuse and inflame the issue. Those of us whom are non-racist really need to put them down.

I don't know that any strategy was needed to take the votes after LBJ past the civil Rights act. He plainly stabbed the southern Democrat senators in the back or maybe the front.

Why how absolutely hypocritical and absurd. Do you know why Ol' Joe and his party have been howling about "saving democracy"? It's because they know that a Republican congress is gonna expose them for what they really are. Lying, cheating, back-stabbing little hypocrites. All those whistle-blowers from the FBI and DOJ. All the abject horseshit of that January 6th circus. And then there's Hunter. Ohhh Beave. As they drag Hunter's ass through the mud, America will be forced to see the truth of the depth of Joe's corruption and seething lies of the Democrats and their corrupt abuse of the law. Yes Beave...it's gonna be a bonified shitshow. I truly hope you enjoy all the proceedings.

Sure I did, I pointed out your base rate fallacy weeks and weeks ago. Since then you've done nothing but tangle yourself up into a Gordian Knot of string and pins while slipping in your own hooey.

I'm still puzzling over why you'd cite the same people to make your case. Further to that if what you say is true it's a crime. Why aren't you blowing the whistle to people in a position who could use your conclusions to much better use than you taking up bandwidth around here? I bet going s public with it would reflect much better on Pierre Poilievre that it does you. C'mon...please?

It can't get any more stupid than Kirk's OPINION already is. ?

Nope. That is a lie and you are a liar. Make America Great Again is based on patriotism. Only traitors do not want to make America great again.

Translation......my bong is clogged.

He was a child... and although it was a thoughtless stupid act where most kids were probably sent home for a couple of days, today that's not good enough today we are denying him the right to earn a living... becasue of something he did as a child. And to you, that's fair. let's punish this p*ick until the day he dies... screw that get the rope Martha we'll put an end to this right now. Thats what we as a culture do to each other day in and day out. And the funny thing about it is it is normal behavior to do so. What's silly is that is how you see it. got nothing to do with right or left. Your definition of being cruel and sadistic is much different than mine. and the cost of doing so is light years apart. I have not proclaimed i was an economists or inflation expert, but what i can do is pull up a few of your posts where you have agreed that some of justines economic policies have attributed to today's inflation numbers, I'm sure i did not say todays numbers are all justines fault...but if you want me to believe that Justin or his merry gang of Finacial geniuses had NO role to play in any of today's numbers well sir that would make me gullible not stupid when it comes to inflation numbers. And you right i don't like Justin, i don't think he has any leadership abilities at all, he has proven time after time he is more than willing to throw subordinates under the bus for self-survival, he is not diplomatic by any means, he has no problem-solving abilities, nor is he not a good public speaker, although he has improved 1000 % since taking office. him and his team prefer to kick tough issues down the street, for someone else to solve. I'd go as far as saying i don't like any form of liberalism, and i don't like where it is taken the country to date, does not mean i can't learn from it, or that I'm not interested in its point of view becasue i am, but more for the standpoint on how to prevent it from happening again. And I'm not content with rolling any one way, what i think i'm content with is calling out something i think is wrong, you don't have to agree with me, it's my opinion and mine alone. we just walk different paths. Nor do i think Justin is a NAZI, or communist or a traitor or a dictator or whatever is on the list of names today. What I'd do know is we will not be holding hands and dancing at his birthday party.

“If soccer hooligans go to a football game and do a nazi salute it proves that the Jewish president is a Jewish Nazi and also my nonsensical biolabs batshit conspiracy!” “If a Canadian won’t sleep outside in winter for no reason it proves that the Ukrainian army wont be able to defend against a Russian offensive in winter!” You lunacy knows no limits

I don't imagine you care if it's a Ukrainian S-300. All you're looking for is your version of the Gleiwitz incident. You desire WW3 and here's your casus belli. So have at it.

Someone sure is... But you and the rest of brain trust want WW3...here's your big chance.

It was a Ukrainian S-300 that tried to knock down a Russian cruise missile...malfunctioned and hit Poland by latest accounts. Do you warmongers still want WW3?

Well... maybe it was. You actually don't know. The Winnipeg story hit a long time ago and has been dormant. Why didn't that cause some similar reaction in the PMO ? The answer is: we don't know.

What are you talking about ? We just told them to sell their Lithium mine I thought...

This is another manifestation of taking Trudeau personally, thinking you know him and so on. When it comes to the bureaucracy, the legal system and ESPECIALLY national security we have no idea what is going on other than the very bare facts.

It's your panties that are "in a twist" . . . . what ever that clown does is ok with you. Ever wonder why other world leaders snub and ignore that elected Canadian embarrassment? Why don't you give your clown some pointers on wearing fishnet stockings . . . . guessing that you would know. ??

"Me smart. You a dumb." is your argument. Got it. Your eloquence and reasoning is just...beyond words. ? He's not a self-made billionaire. He inherited money from daddy and would be far wealthier now if he'd just invested it in a US index. The fruits of his innumerable business ventures have been far below market average. As for his spray tan, look at the pictures. If he can afford the best treatments, why does he look like this? This is, of course, ignoring the absurd vanity of a 70-year old blob opting for tanning treatments. ?

Yeah, doesn't he have better things to do? Pretty sure he/we can support the rights and freedoms of LGBTQ+ without appearing on TV. PP should have no trouble getting elected at this rate.

It's just name-calling from the usual zombie infantry.... indulge if you are bored but it makes the forum more trollish. Maybe better to find a fishtank somewhere and tap on the glass instead. Substitute teacher in Florida.... riiiiiiight.... $16 an hour Republican devotee who is on here all day long... riiiiiight...

but 20% of Floridians can't even read. ? The voting doesn't prove anything, lol. Full disclosure: I love Florida and have spent years of my life in a gated community 15 minutes from Mar-a-Lago, but I love it for what it is and would never in a million years pretend it was a bastion of literacy and/or intellect. Drive 30 minutes inland almost anywhere in the State and you're in certified Bubba country.

Oh, I agree that every state (including Florida) has a certain number of stupid people. We just don't have as many as blue states, and our voting proves that. Only a total MORE ON voted for Stroke Fetterman over a DOCTOR.

I see your Governor DeSantis and Senator Marco Rubio, and raise you "Florida Man". https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Florida-man-throws-samurai-sword-at-sheriffs-deputies-485751211.html This is a good one too: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hurricane-irma-gun-owners-florida-shoot-down-storm-a7937546.html Florida gun owners shooting their guns at the hurricane. What a special place - America's glory-hole.

If Florida was a nation, it would rate below below the global average somewhere between Cambodia and Congo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate This is perfect for candidates like Trump and DeSantis since the population would never be able to fathom economics or complex issues.

Except it doesn't ?. With the third-highest percentage of adults lacking basic prose literacy skills, Florida’s population has a literacy rate of just 80.3%. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state

Forbes.

What's Florida's literacy rate? Just curious...?

Jack Mintz: Trudeau follows Biden down the path to economic ruin It is ironic that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberals chose the same unsuccessful policy path as the Democrats in Thursday’s fiscal update In next week’s midterm elections in the United States, President Joe Biden’s Democrats will be judged by the electorate. In the past year, Biden has pushed up deficits and taxes to fund a hefty dose of climate, social and industrial subsidies, growth-inhibiting regulations, infrastructure spending and student-loan forgiveness. With runaway inflation and rising interest rates and energy costs, Americans will decide if they like this policy mix or not. If the polls are right, it looks like the Democrats are in for a shellacking, losing the House and likely the Senate as Republican support surges over economic issues. It is ironic, therefore, that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberals chose the same unsuccessful policy path as the Democrats in Thursday’s fiscal update.

More than any blue state.

Of course a Woke left wing hack source would name blue states as the top educational locations. And look at the cretins those people elect.

Any id yut can produce a chart. Florida has the most literate population in America. Governor DeSantis. Senator Marco Rubio. End of argument.