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None of this would matter, if the shots and boosters worked. You're pretty much admitting what everyone already knows - they don't work. If you're vaxxed and boosted and still deathly afraid of an unvaxxed co-worker......maybe that should tell you something.

As we've all seen...in the name of 'safety'....people are MORE than willing to hand over ALL their freedom. Will they be shocked when the bus comes for them, too? "You're not quite safe enough, citizen....come with us."

Ahhh....hard to get mature conversation with ANTIFA sorts.

The topic is an ironic reality snapshot in a country that defeated Nazism some decades earlier. The lessons that (should have been) learned is that no authority deserves blind and unconditional trust, and every act and statement of any authority, under any premises and slogans needs to be examined thoroughly and critically by the citizens. If only due to hard and painful lessons learned. Just in case. Authority cannot interfere with citizens based on an "opinion". An opinion is not an explanation and certainly not a justification, or critical test to override individual rights. This is authoritarianism, and an authoritarian always believes that their opinion is one and the only correct, a closed circle and nothing new to be learned here. Not a single sufficient argument and justification has been provided for mandatory, blanket involuntary vaccinations in perpetuity. And that already is the conclusion maybe one that we wouldn't like but only an honest reflection of the status quo, a mirror. Without analysis, a deep and thorough discussion of options and solutions by the citizens, regardless of whether authorities participate honestly and willingly or not, this cannot be a free society. No, not anymore or possibly, who has looked at it, ever? All those posters and slogans, picture books were just that, empty words and pictures without essence and substance. And thanks to the virus - would we care to make ourselves notice if it weren't for it? No, this much we know already and there's no need to review and revisit: democratic garlands and decorations do not make a free society. Any number of authoritarians and dictators uses them and only very lazy ones wouldn't these days. Only citizens who value reason; responsibility; and critical thought do. And now, what do you see, around?

Not quite. Legally it represents a new contract between employer and employee, as any agreed upon vaccine mandate was not in place at the time of hiring. So it qualifies as a “constructive dismissal”.

It's not about the vaccine, it's about the QR codes. The vaccine is simply a means to an end...it's a vehicle to coerce us to attach ourselves to the QR code.

With all the 'gain of function' going-on in the labs...I'd be careful what you put into your hot little bod claiming it to be a vaccine. For all we know, the 'vaccine' merely accomplishes what the 'virus' was put on Earth for. But you trust people that do not deserve any trust what-so-ever. So get that jab and feel smug. At this point, it's almost essential...wait...it is essential...to have a control group that does NOT take the 'vaccine'. You know...just in case.

Yeah neither are drunk drivers who kill people or those who don't stop at traffic lights or stop signs and kill people. They are just misguided. Poor people they don't deserve punishment just need to be sent to guidance schools.!!!!!!!!!

That's a lot of hate against the naturally immune, those who have experienced adverse reactions of are just aware of the seriousness of such or just supporters of control of their own bodies. And you justify that by some mistaken believe in your moral superiority. Now show us a poll on how many are buying that.

I will shame anybody who feels entitled to have other people's children risk death and disability for their false illusion of safety.

Maybe quit shaming people who believe differently than you, as you've asked for yourself and what you believe.

Sadly we are all Keynsians now. Too many dollars in the system are essentially the cause of inflation. Central banking basically is at the core of it.

Suzuki is a class less punk. How are BC and island citizens liking the trans canada pipeland pause? Of course environmentalist think gas just comes out of a gas station and there are no consequence for vilifying big oil

Okay what do you say to a suggestion that we debate the subject at hand and facts like mature civilized adults rather than making perisomal attacks and insults?

Just the opposite in fact:. unvaxed are more likely to get sick from the virus, more likely to get hospitalized from the virus and more likely to die,

Seeing that we are learning more about the virus...its likely origins in a bioweapons laboratory...I'm curious there aren't more questions as to what this virus is supposed to do. It's not lethal enough to be a weapon...but it is obviously accomplishing a goal. Shall we guess what that is? Bah...you don't care. You haven't thought much about it...really. Have you?

If all of these people are vaccinated, how are they in danger from unvaccinated people?

What we didn't have before "based on overwhelming opinion" of some exsperts, only is mandatory restrictions of citizens rights, termination from job and benefits. All of that without any explanation of reasons, evidence, discussion, weighing of options, no forget it. Just so, we think so you do. Do you notice the slope? And does not it bring up an obvious question: what next? What is called a society of mandatory and total regular revaccination under the fear of total isolation or worse in perpetuity for as long as necessary as decided by a caste of unknown and anonymous priests? Do you want to live in such a society? And how far are we from it, as of now? Like how many steps left? And is it still called "a democracy"?

Suzuki should be brought in for interrogation for 27 hours. He seems to imply that he knows of such a certainty. This suggests that at the very least he’s an accomplice to potential terrorism in Canada.

I don’t like the term “firing”. It’s harsh and not really accurate. I prefer that X number of employees freely chose to accept unpaid leave rather than be vaccinated. The outcome is entirely in their hands.

That's the most appropriate name in this instance. The same idiotic mob that believed the WHO was following the science, it's racist to consider the Wuhan lab as the source of the pandemic, banning flights from China was racist, Trudeau fought covid like a genius, Trump fought covid like a stooge, Cuomo was a hero, Dr Ford was a credible witness, prisons should be emptied, Rayshard was innocent, Brionna was shot in bed, Floyd was killed because of his race, the riots were mostly peaceful, the Jan 6th rioters were all white supremacists, etc, are just a mob that gets sucked into every idiotic narrative coming from MSNBC. They can look back on that list and deny the extent to which they were duped and the next time that CNN or CTV says something inflammatory and stupid they'll hop on that bandwagon like a fat kid on a twinkie.

Well one thing is for certain...this has sure brought-out the Sepp Dietrich and Ilse Koch in apparently once civil Canadians. Ja, Ja, Ja!!! You are der enemy und need to be locked up!!!

God damn... not ANOTHER thread about Nebraska...

Clueless "travel from Wuhan, sure" exsperts turning to authoritarian methods is no surprise, just another token of an arrogant ignorance, like we needed more. The purported panacea prevents neither infection nor transmission. As vaccinated outbreaks show these are not rare "breakthroughs" but can be a common case. A trumpeted fully vaxxed worker bringing it to a vulnerable resident with waning protection under a false umbrella of safety. Here's a question: if it would end up in another flop, or Heavens forbid, some side effects coming out in vaxxed children decades on, will anyone take responsibility for ignoring, dismissing and not addressing questions and concerns raised NOW? Or would it be another of doctor-exspert Charlie Smith, indigenous children so many other belated oops affairs? Thanks to the virus, ironically, we now know, there's no way escaping it, that this is not an isolated "breakthrough", a rare exception, no. This is how we live, who we are and how the country works. And it means that in all likelihood, there won't be pleasant surprises.

last I checked it was you wanting the government to ban industry from doing things they should be able to do not industry wanting the government to ban you from doing things you should be able to do I don't side with knee jerk banners who want to use government to control the behavior of others for no good reason

I'm not allowed to post videos on the open board with the board's viewing software but if anybody would like to see the face of Citizen's "consensus of the majority" have a look at the video linked below. Trust me it's worth it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OsoqLcZR2s&t=1s

There is a concerning trend of increased vaccinated individual hospitalizations and number of cases. http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-01-Data_Summary.pdf October 2021 25 % of cases 14 % hospitalizations Deaths 33% http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-11-11-Data_Summary.pdf November 2021 35 % of cases 23 % hospitalizations Deaths 47% Even accounting for increased vaccinated population (5%) over the time period, there was a 8% increase in cases and a 9% increase in hospitalizations. Even deaths have increased by 14%. Even taking into account increased group size, why are all of these rates increasing at a disproportional rate? With respect to the unvaccinated, there is a decrease in individual hospitalization and number of cases. http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-01-Data_Summary.pdf October 2021 68 % of cases 79 % hospitalizations Deaths 62% http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-11-11-Data_Summary.pdf November 2021 59 % of cases 71 % hospitalizations Deaths 50% Resulting in a 9% decrease in cases, 8% decrease in hospitalizations and a 12% decrease in deaths with respect to the unvaccinated group. Even taking into account decreased group size, why are all of these rates decreasing at a disproportional rate?

You're the one that said that anyone who doesn't vax is an enemy of the state. You can't open a thread with that level of rhetoric and then expect people to treat you with any sort of decency.

Joe Biden was speaking today. It's a pretty good guess he was reading off a teleprompter because at the end he says, "end of quote." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLNMg9Hzipo

Cougar are you out of your cage again.... here kitty , kitty...get back in there...you can't be pulling down nobody pants its not nice to mess with the lefties....

You are the enemy. I will happily pull your pants down and take a picture of your butt for the Whole world to see.

This is how god-damned stupid leftists are: In February & March of 2020 when there was no covid in Canada yet, our PM was acting like it would be racist to stop travellers from China from coming here, so they were allowed to go anywhere that they wanted without any screening of any sort and without masks. All of the leftards here thought that was just a great idea. Then Canada became on of the first 11 countries in the world to hit 5,000 covid deaths. We're 39th in population and 184th in pop density, but we blasted past almost everyone on the covid leaderboards - BECAUSE OF LEFTIST STUPIDITY. Now the leftards think that that Canadians need to be banned from restaurants and even have their jobs taken away if they refuse a dangerous, occasionally lethal vaccine. They want to force-vaccinate children who aren't at risk from covid, even though the vaccine is known to kill those healthy people. The leftards can't even say how vaccinating those people confers some benefit upon them or society at large, but they hold fast to their opinion. I just asked the person who started this thread why it's important to vax kids - no answer. They feel the need to express themselves so thoroughly that they start a thread to blather about it, but they can't answer an important, serious question. I get that they have freedom of speech, but it's more of a comedy skit than anything listening to these hapless, clueless dolts.

And i get that Queen, every body lies and today thats how we see the game being played... but i see that as our fault for not holding them to account, and I'm not talking about getting a verbal going over, i talking about being held accountable by the voters or the law, or by parliament.. while in the military i was subject to the Queens law for little things like rolling your eyes, silent insubordination, or not having your uniform to standard. another 200 bucks or confined to barracks for 2 weeks . as well as all the rest of the laws we have in this nation. why could this not be down with parliament, people behave much better when there is money involved...

There has been lots of misinformation being spread around by both camps, but like every topic lately we are divided into sides, with one being declared the enemy in which we can take away further rights all to satisfy our needs to be right. How did we get this far as a G-8 nation , and now we are reduced to hiding under our beds and taking away employment, getting life saving medical treatments, and going to putting them into a camp is not that far off from where we are now...both sides need to STFU, sit down and listen and discuss it like adults...before we do something one side will regret for the rest of their life's, like we did not learn anything from our treatment of Japanese during the war... I can not for the life of me figure out why any person 25 years of age or younger would even consider getting vaxed except to get around current restrictions. Nor can i figure out why if your over 55 you have not gotten the shot yet... I know you did not just compare spreading a virus which is mostly harmless to most , with knowingly taking a human life, but thats how it sounds.

That one's from the American Thinker but there are links to mainstream sources in the piece: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/11/if_the_vaccines_work_why_arent_they_working.html

Jeez man. Will you please stop making blanket statements like they come straight from God. They're too easy...

It could be much worse than only doctor X or exspert Y. What if we are seeing a twilight of the age of reason and sanity, and back to the epochs of czars and shamans? With all what's at stake with the total vaccination strategy can it be allowed to fail? Is there a line they would stop at in not letting it fail, why would they and who could stop them or what?

The industry is pushing government do things it shouldn't do. I can push it to start doing its job, but they generally will not listen. You can push too, instead of wasting your time and my time here.

Why are we even talking about mandating, firing, intimidating, coercion before looking, understanding and discussing what is it doing? The outbreaks clearly show that q-vaccines are not a full protection against infection and giving it to others. The kind of event like Senators outbreak or in retirement home recently where likely everyone was vaccinated show that it may not even be a strong protection. Have we become the kind of a society that doesn't think and only blindly follows? If so than thank the virus. How else would we know?

This kind of horse is no better than what is being put out there by the anti vaxers , and does nothing but divide us into camps...You paint all of them with the same brush, considering them the Enemy, holy shit. your going to have a stroke... what is next house to house round ups, driven to some northern concentration camp. I say that because most Canadians are abiding by those restriction set out by our medical advisors, they are already restricted from not entering any facility that is not consider nessicary, they are staying in their homes, they are shopping online, having home delivery food, having it all but from home.... Yes there is a few wing nuts in every group, but not everyone is going around coughing on people to spread the this virus ...It is trash like this that invoke anger and these responses, or to drive people to do stupid stuff. Why is it women can have full control over their bodies, including taking a life if when needed, thats OK, but we can not have a say in what goes into our bodies...what ever happen to choice. Whats next in your agenda, having our children vaxed or what no school, no candy at the store...it makes no sense at all.

No talk of natural immunity is allowed either. There is a certain percentage of the population that has already had covid and have no need of being vaccinated. Judging by the "case numbers" screeched out every 15 minutes, I'd say a large chunk of the population is already immune.

According to data from more than thirty countries in Europe, correlation between the rate of q-vaccination and case counts does exist but it isn't anywhere close to be strong enough to warrant mandatory and coercion measures. In a society based on reason and intelligence not to mention responsibility, a lot more thought, analysis and public discussion would have happened as to what is the right way to move forward. Forget it, those on top always know better... oops!

Just curious how much of the population is specifically "refusing to be vaccinated" vs how much of the population is " undecided, but willing to eventually" ?

you are pushing for the government to do things it shouldn't do and I am telling you to go pound sand with your ridiculous anti-human and anti-capitalist suggestions

I don't understand the entitlement to have others risk their life for you, either. Especially children who face almost 0% chance of dying from covid. Not everyone feels this way, though. I've read a few comments from grandparents on news articles now that insist they do not want their children and grandchildren to risk their lives or health for them. I guess just the completely entitled and selfish people do.

@CITIZEN_2015 - tell me why I should vaccinate my 12 yr old, who has a 0.000% chance of dying from covid, when the vaccine has killed a lot of extremely healthy people... It won't stop him from getting/passing covid. It won't change his chance of surviving covid. Vaxing healthy, young people isn't actually proven to accomplish anything aside from making some politicians and big pharma owners richer. Do you have stocks in Pfizer and Moderna? Is that why you're pimping the vax?

With massive propaganda one can say anything and use it as a cause do to pretty much anything. There isn't anything new in that. But in this reality the outbreaks show that not only q-vaccines are not preventing infections, they may also not be limiting it. And that of course would mean, until proven otherwise, that there's no "public safety" justification only individual reasons. And then, what's left? But wait, don't we know that massive propaganda can change everything? That scared out of theirs wits Joes would care only about two things: who to run to for a quick salvation; and who to blame if anything goes wrong? Congrats, you have discovered it... again.

Vax Nazis never say why they should be scared of the unvaxed if the vaccines actually work.

????? I told you above I am pushing for the government to do its job. Apparently it is you who is pushing the government to do things for you. Get lost.

There are nuts on both sides to be fair. But if we compare which side has more crazies, it's not even close. Hands down it's you guys on the left.