Mass shooting at high school in Tumbler Ridge BC - Nine dead 27 injured

[User]

12 minutes ago, herbie said:

You are so brainwashed by wrong wing propaganda you can't see past your own nose. 
The killings were the issue, nothing else. But attempting to blame sexuality rather than offering condolences is beyond disgusting.

The killings by whom? 
 

These details matter and you are more interested in supporting the lies and deceptions than reporting the truth. 
 

has nothing to do with blaming sexuality. It’s about honest reporting on sex.

 

[West]

Another trans goes on a rampage. Should be banning Bad Bunny and hormone therapy. Sad.

[suds]

According to the Mayo Clinic, 'those with gender dysphoria and don't receive the support and treatment they require, are at a higher risk of thinking about or attempting suicide'. Now include the likely possibility of being harassed, ridiculed, or picked on, or not having a supportive family... and you don't need much imagination to see how one could possibly go from attempting suicide to the next step of something far worse. This is so sad indeed. I just hope we can all learn from this tragedy how ever it played out.

Edited February 12 by suds

[ironstone]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Nope.
 

Juno News is not a actual news site it is right wing propaganda outlet 

 

Same with the links posted by @I am Groot and @Legatoand @ironstone  Not ONE ACTUAL news outlet or authority has confirmed anything, only openly partisan right wing outlets. 
 

 

As it turns out, Juno News got it right. And before everyone else too.

I suspect the other 'actual' news outlets will tread very carefully with this story because of the trans element. 

Like using the term 'gunperson' as opposed to gunman.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, suds said:

According to the Mayo Clinic, 'those with gender dysphoria and don't receive the support and treatment they require, are at a higher risk of thinking about or attempting suicide'. Now include the likely possibility of being harassed, ridiculed, or picked on, or not having a supportive family... and you don't need much imagination to see how one could possibly go from attempting suicide to the next step of something far worse. This is so sad indeed. I just hope we can all learn from this tragedy how ever it played out.

Sadly family annihilators and mass killers very often begin with suicide thoughts

I read an interesting paper by an expert in mass killings of this nature who studied cases all over the world very interesting conclusions. There were four things that were necessary for someone to become like this and I'm not sure I can remember them all but one of them was to have the firm belief that there is no hope. Things will not get better. One of the others was a firm belief that your circumstances are somebody else's fault. Republicans trump's parents friends whatever it's necessary that you don't take personal ownership of your circumstance  And the third was they have to feel isolated. 

I can't remember the other one off the top of my head but what I do remember is that the person was very clear that if you break any one of those items you don't get homicidal suicidal killers.

So with a predisposition already to the kind of homicidal suicidal thoughts that lead to this if a young trans person is also told that they're happiness is due to other people such as trump or the evil right-wing who all hate them etc and they lose faith that things will get better they could very well wind up in the circumstance. And they feel isolated 

 This could have been prevented with even a little bit of mental health treatment i would bet. 

[User]

1 hour ago, suds said:

According to the Mayo Clinic, 'those with gender dysphoria and don't receive the support and treatment they require, are at a higher risk of thinking about or attempting suicide'. Now include the likely possibility of being harassed, ridiculed, or picked on, or not having a supportive family... and you don't need much imagination to see how one could possibly go from attempting suicide to the next step of something far worse. This is so sad indeed. I just hope we can all learn from this tragedy how ever it played out.

Well, I fully advocate for helping people with these mental issues get the help they need. 
 

That is the solution, not expecting all of society to go along with their delusions. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

As it turns out, Juno News got it right. And before everyone else too.

I suspect the other 'actual' news outlets will tread very carefully with this story because of the trans element. 

Like using the term 'gunperson' as opposed to gunman.

Wonder if Juno News will report that this shooter and their family lived in a household with s gun collection despite the perp’s lengthy psychiatric history and multiple police interactions and that the shooter had once had a firearm license. 
 

At then end of the day the one thing all these shooters have in common is easy access to household guns. 

[suds]

58 minutes ago, User said:

That is the solution, not expecting all of society to go along with their delusions. 

Ok, fair enough. But sometimes a little bit of tolerance can make a difference or even go a long way. Just accept people the way they are. It can't be that hard.  I draw the line with any form of compelled speech as it's a violation of one of our most basic rights. I don't believe I've ever met one of these people but I would at the very least show them some common courtesy and perhaps a bit of understanding.

Edited February 12 by suds

[User]

25 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Wonder if Juno News will report that this shooter and their family lived in a household with s gun collection despite the perp’s lengthy psychiatric history and multiple police interactions and that the shooter had once had a firearm license. 
 

At then end of the day the one thing all these shooters have in common is easy access to household guns. 

Yes, transgender people have mental issues and their ownership of firearms should be highly questionable and those around them should restrict access to firearms. 

Also, if this person was such a threat to society, that we are in fear of them having access to firearms, it is time to start talking about involuntarily committing people again for the safety of society. 

Focus on the problem people, not the 99.9% of others. 

 

20 minutes ago, suds said:

Ok, fair enough. But sometimes a little bit of tolerance can make a difference or even go a long way. Just accept people the way they are. It can't be that hard.  I draw the line with any form of compelled speech as it's a violation of one of our most basic rights. I don't believe I've ever met one of these people but I would at the very least show them some common courtesy and perhaps a bit of understanding.

"The way they are"

A man who thinks he is a woman is not a woman. 

There is no end to your reasoning, which leads us directly to the left wing pushing "tolerance" of these men in women's restrooms, and competing against them, destroying them in physical competition. 

 

[ironstone]

29 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Wonder if Juno News will report that this shooter and their family lived in a household with s gun collection despite the perp’s lengthy psychiatric history and multiple police interactions and that the shooter had once had a firearm license. 
 

At then end of the day the one thing all these shooters have in common is easy access to household guns. 

A person with mental illness pumped full of hormones and God knows what other drugs.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well I tend to care about the fact that a bunch of people just got killed

Yeah, that's certainly evidenced by all the smiling laughing emojis you've peppered your thread with. Along with whatever right-wing grievance happens to pop into your head.

 

 

[User]

Have to make sure we correct anyone calling this man, a him. 

As I said before, this is madness. 
 

 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, User said:

Yes, transgender people have mental issues and their ownership of firearms should be highly questionable and those around them should restrict access to firearms. 

Also, if this person was such a threat to society, that we are in fear of them having access to firearms, it is time to start talking about involuntarily committing people again for the safety of society. 

Focus on the problem people, not the 99.9% of others

People with a history of psychiatric episodes involving police should not have access to firearms regardless of whether they are transgender or not. 
 

No, it doesn’t make sense to involuntarily commit people so the firearms can stay n the home.  We don’t institutionalize people for silly reasons like that. So if gun owner decide their toys are more important than their family member,  they can choose to get rid of their guns, move out or have the mentally ill person move out. All are reasonable. 

[BeaverFever]

22 minutes ago, User said:

Have to make sure we correct anyone calling this man, a him. 

As I said before, this is madness. 
 

 

That tweet is just more conservative overreaction to nothing   You people would cease to exist without you exaggerated rage bait. 

[User]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

That tweet is just more conservative overreaction to nothing   You people would cease to exist without you exaggerated rage bait. 

LOL, you say this because you support this madness. 

[User]

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

People with a history of psychiatric episodes involving police should not have access to firearms regardless of whether they are transgender or not. 
 

No, it doesn’t make sense to involuntarily commit people so the firearms can stay n the home.  We don’t institutionalize people for silly reasons like that. So if gun owner decide their toys are more important than their family member,  they can choose to get rid of their guns, move out or have the mentally ill person move out. All are reasonable. 

Why do you want to limit access to firearms for someone having psychiatric episodes?

The threat they pose to society doesn't stop if they do not have a gun. 

I did not say we should involuntarily commit people so the firearms can stay in the home; I said we should do so because they are considered a threat to society. 

You clearly do not know much about firearms, as you can also keep them locked and secured. 

And to the earlier point... if these people are a threat to society, what does having them move out do?

 

[Shady]

14 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Way to go guys! Never miss a chance to politicise a heart-breaking tragedy. 

Do you miss the whole Charlie Kirk thing? 

37 minutes ago, User said:

Have to make sure we correct anyone calling this man, a him. 

As I said before, this is madness. 
 

 

We are officially a f**king clown show of a country.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yeah, that's certainly evidenced by all the smiling laughing emojis you've peppered your thread with.

 

 

The fact that you are a joke personally doesn't make this less of a tragedy. Sorry, kiddo, swing and a miss

[suds]

1 hour ago, User said:

Yes, transgender people have mental issues and their ownership of firearms should be highly questionable and those around them should restrict access to firearms. 

Also, if this person was such a threat to society, that we are in fear of them having access to firearms, it is time to start talking about involuntarily committing people again for the safety of society. 

Focus on the problem people, not the 99.9% of others. 

 

"The way they are"

A man who thinks he is a woman is not a woman. 

There is no end to your reasoning, which leads us directly to the left wing pushing "tolerance" of these men in women's restrooms, and competing against them, destroying them in physical competition. 

 

As far as I'm concerned a person's chromosomes define gender. But if a man or a woman want to define themselves as something else, why should I care? I support the women who don't want biological men in women's restrooms or being forced to compete against them in sports. I don't have the answer on how to try and make things fair and balanced for everyone. I'll leave that up to the court's to decide. That's what they're good at.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

People with a history of psychiatric episodes involving police should not have access to firearms regardless of whether they are transgender or not. 

Sounds like at least one of the guns is illegal. Simple fact, it doesn't matter. If it's not guns they'll use knives if it's not yeah I'm still use a car if it's not a car they'll use fire etc etc. Worrying about the tool is the least productive and least intelligent way to address this imaginable. When somebody comes to the conclusion that they want people dead they're going to find a tool one way or another. People have been doing that since Cain and Abel

[Venandi]

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

People with a history of psychiatric episodes involving police should not have access to firearms regardless of whether they are transgender or not. 

In addition to the comments above, I'd also note that according to the regulations you hold dear, want more of, and know nothing about.... they don't have access.

It's part of the safe storage regulations... people who don't have (or have lost) a PAL (for what ever reason) are not permitted to have access keys, codes, or combinations for any firearms safely stored on the premises.

Further more, a person with a PAL (meaning no RPAL) is restricted in the same manner and according to the same regulations, from direct access to any handguns that may be stored on the premises.  

Technically, these individuals are, or should be, no different than any other casual visitor to the premises (in terms of access).  That's why I don't use anything in the form of keys other than for storage in transport. It's all biometrics and combination codes.

There's actually some interesting case law on wives (with no PAL) knowing where the keys to her husband's storage locker are  (when they clearly shouldn't have) that have resulted in charges.... this could be a whole thread BTW as it usually involves underhanded questioning techniques and warrantless searches on the part of police.

Here's an update on the weapons:

Two firearms, a long gun and a modified handgun, were recovered inside the school by the police, RCMP said. Neither weapon was registered to Van Rootselaar, who previously had a firearms license, but expired in 2024.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/transgender-ex-student-identified-alleged-suspect-canada-school-mass-shooting-left-least-9-dead

A big part of the problem here (IMO) is that you, Herb, and a few others aren't ready for solutions yet and it seems as if more pain is required  before you are. You simply want to trade barbs with people on anonymous forums rather than seek solutions.

As a result of that, the problems that are problems now will remain problems until you're ready to discuss underlying issues rationally and listen with your ears instead of your mouth. In the mean time, I got nothing else for ya... except more problems on the horizon that (I'm pretty sure) you haven't even thought about yet... they're in a file folder marked pending.

Edited February 12 by Venandi

[DogOnPorch]

7 hours ago, Shady said:

Do you miss the whole Charlie Kirk thing? 

We are officially a f**king clown show of a country.

 

Good to see you, lad. I see we are still on the same page. 

 

[CDN1]

18 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The statistics show that immigrants commit crimes at lower rate than the general population, not that emotional rage-farmers like yourself base your opinions on facts. 

Lol, no. Black Canadians commit murders at 4-6x the rate of White Canadians, gun crime at even higher per capita rates, and they've largely immigrated over the last 25-30 years, only made up 1% of Canada's population in the 90s.

This is typical liberal manipulation. Look a little further and you'll see that 2nd generation immigrants from certain backgrounds commit crimes at higher rates.

Edited February 12 by CDN1

[CDN1]

13 hours ago, suds said:

According to the Mayo Clinic, 'those with gender dysphoria and don't receive the support and treatment they require, are at a higher risk of thinking about or attempting suicide'. Now include the likely possibility of being harassed, ridiculed, or picked on, or not having a supportive family... and you don't need much imagination to see how one could possibly go from attempting suicide to the next step of something far worse. This is so sad indeed. I just hope we can all learn from this tragedy how ever it played out.

Spare me, this bullshit.

White men also commit suicide at much higher rates (makeup nearly 70% of all suicides), but this hasn't stopped liberals from collectively scapegoating and discriminating against them across institutions.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 12 by CDN1

[User]

10 hours ago, suds said:

As far as I'm concerned a person's chromosomes define gender. But if a man or a woman want to define themselves as something else, why should I care? I support the women who don't want biological men in women's restrooms or being forced to compete against them in sports. I don't have the answer on how to try and make things fair and balanced for everyone. I'll leave that up to the court's to decide. That's what they're good at.

Yes, adults can do as they please, if the want to pretend to be something they are not… but this is also about what we are doing to children and while Adults can do as they please, I can certainly care to call it out for what it is and not participate.