User Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 2 hours ago, BeaverFever said: A crazy person with a gun is a higher risk than crazy person without a gun, that’s just obvious. A crazy person locked up is no threat to anyone. 2 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Because involuntarily institutionalizing someone is a violation of their basic rights the risk is WEIGHED based on the individual Like ALL risk assessments on any subject area, it considers both LIKELIHOOD and SEVERITY of potential adverse outcomes Either they are crazy and a threat to society or they are not. Your position is that, you don't give a crap how many people they kill, as long as it is not with a gun. Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 7 minutes ago, User said: A crazy person locked up is no threat to anyone. True but in a free society you need to exercise judgement and not just indiscriminately lock up every eccentric person, oddball and person experiencing a mental health issue or else 1 in 5 people would be institutionalized. You know the famous Turing British scientist who broke the Nazi enigma code and gave the name to the Turing test was later institutionalized and chemically castrated simply because he was gay. People don’t want to go back to that era. 14 minutes ago, User said: Either they are crazy and a threat to society or they are not. That just shows your lack of understanding. Having a mental illness doesn’t automatically mean you are a threat. I have known people who experienced mental illness none of them were a threat 16 minutes ago, User said: Your position is that, you don't give a crap how many people they kill, as long as it is not with a gun. Why can’t you MAGAs ever have an intelligent debate like an adult without making these absurd hyperbolic false accusations? Quote
CdnFox Posted February 13 Author Report Posted February 13 (edited) 3 hours ago, BeaverFever said: A crazy person with a gun is a higher risk than crazy person without a gun, Nope. The stats and science say otherwise. Crazy people all over the world kill and main thousands of people without firearms. Some of the biggest mass killings have been with knives. On the other hand if you take away the crazy person the gun and the knife and everything else is perfectly safe The problem isn't the tool. The problem is crazy people. But sure, why address that? Then you'd lose the ability to virtue signal over a bunch of dead children like this and that would be terrible for you right Interestingly enough the only advantage of guns have that people like this care about is the suicide part. Edited February 13 by CdnFox 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
User Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 51 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: True but in a free society you need to exercise judgement and not just indiscriminately lock up every eccentric person, oddball and person experiencing a mental health issue or else 1 in 5 people would be institutionalized. You know the famous Turing British scientist who broke the Nazi enigma code and gave the name to the Turing test was later institutionalized and chemically castrated simply because he was gay. People don’t want to go back to that era. It is not indiscriminate. It is not because they are eccentric. Or an oddball. It is not because you think they are gay. It is because you think they are a threat to society. 52 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: That just shows your lack of understanding. Having a mental illness doesn’t automatically mean you are a threat. I have known people who experienced mental illness none of them were a threat So... cool, you are fine with them having guns. They are not a threat. 53 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Why can’t you MAGAs ever have an intelligent debate like an adult without making these absurd hyperbolic false accusations? You keep saying you are just fine with people you think are a threat to society being out on the streets. Hell, you leftists are why there are crazy people stabbing people to death on the subway. Then, you turn around and want to prosecute the people who try to stop those crazy people. Arrested over and over again for violently attacking people until they finally kill or are killed, and all you give a shit about is the gun. 1 1 Quote
Venandi Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 (edited) 16 hours ago, eyeball said: Okay, what are the rules, Queensbury, bare knuckles or are Gangs of New York more to your liking? 7 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Why can’t you MAGAs ever have an intelligent debate like an adult.... Other than continuing down the trail until your political narrative aligns with the need to address underlying cause factors I have nothing for you... I'd suggest that it boils down to the lack of a willing partner though. On the off chance that your question is sincere, I'd urge you to consider how it could be that liberal progressives and the media at large aren't asking the sort of questions I (and many, many others) would ask if we had the platform to ask them? I'm not that smart (there's something you'll agree with right?), but it's not that difficult to conjure up a few coherent questions here. WHERE IS THE MEDIA (ya, I'm shouting)? As opposed to holding "feet to fire," asking tough questions and holding police and politicians to account, they play a supporting role by not demanding those answers in a very loud and very public voice. As more details come to light (and you have to dig for them), I think this will come to be seen as huge policing failure. Many of the questions I have about the NS shooting revolve around this as well. So.... maybe more defunding will help eh? That's not just a sarcastic question BTW... how do you expect the people who actually do want to discuss this rationally get past the stratospheric buffoonery that blocks their path? How do you discuss regulations with people who refuse to acquaint themselves with existing ones whilst simultaneously demanding more rules and less enforcement? How do you discuss a banned gun list with people who don't know the definition of assault rifle and think that's what AR stands for? This is why you don't get rational replies here and these ridiculous threads devolve into the sort of BS on display right here. Why would anyone with expertise in any discipline or any thread topic (whatsoever), bother taking the time to compose a thoughtful post for you to squat your a$$ over? Go do some homework.... And as you walk the trail maybe you could reflect on the two questions I always find myself asking... they used to only apply to security gigs but now (alas) they seem better suited to the current political climate of strong narrative, radical polarization and low information: 1. Before the situation turns to total shi$ - Do you really want what you seem to be asking for? 2. After the situation turns to total shi$ - WTF did you think was going to happen? Edited February 13 by Venandi 3 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 11 hours ago, eyeball said: I guess we can add woke, immigrants plus catch and release justice to the list of grievances Tumbler Ridge has triggered. I guess it's probably like this in forums everywhere right wingers commiserate. The person who brought up immigrants, right out of the blue for some reason, was Beaverboy. Why? I have no idea, but the Left is obsessed with immigration because it's their best chance of destroying the country so they can (in their minds) rebuild it as their perfect utopia. Of course, the Left is way better at destroying things than building things. 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 12 hours ago, BeaverFever said: What evidence so you have that any of those people are immigrants? According to the last census, 80.1% of visible minorities are immigrants. And 18.3% are their kids, raised by immigrants. Of course, the numbers are higher now due to the massive numbers of foreigners the left has brought over in the last ten years in their determined effort to destroy our society. 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 9 hours ago, CdnFox said: Nope. The stats and science say otherwise. Crazy people all over the world kill and main thousands of people without firearms. Some of the biggest mass killings have been with knives. On the other hand if you take away the crazy person the gun and the knife and everything else is perfectly safe The problem isn't the tool. The problem is crazy people. I'm all for a huge increase in treatment for crazy people, including confinement in institutions for those deemed dangerous, but I'm also for removing guns from their homes. Yeah, you can kill people with a knife, but it's a lot easier with a gun. 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 15 hours ago, User said: Like I said, you guys don't care how many are killed, as long as it is not by guns. If they only stabbed a few people to death, oh well. Why exactly is the idea of removing guns from the home of a crazy person controversial? 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
Barquentine Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 On 2/11/2026 at 2:14 PM, CdnFox said: How many posts did you make trying to turn a woman getting shot for running over a cop into a poltiical issue? Give me a break, The OP 'Renee Good' was started by Deluge Jan. 9. I posted on page 1 asking for quotations. Didn't post again till the 15th after dozens of posts, mostly right wingers saying she deserved to die. But I'm the one who politicized it? Good's death was a state-sponsored murder, by a trigger happy goon who broke all ICE's protocols in the event. It was a political murder. But I'm the one who politicized it? CdnFux said on Jan 10: "The left is strongly pushing the idea that ice is there to kill citizens and harass the innocent." But I'm the one who politicized it? Goddess said on Jan. 13: "I haven't been able to confirm it, but she has 2 other children that she does not have custody of and there's a lot of chatter..." But I'm the one who politicized it? You just keep telling yourself pathetic lies to make yourself fell better. "No Mommy, I din't eat the cookies" said l'il Cdnfux as he wiped the chocolate from his face. 1 Quote
Legato Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 40 minutes ago, Barquentine said: The OP 'Renee Good' was started by Deluge Jan. 9. I posted on page 1 asking for quotations. Didn't post again till the 15th after dozens of posts, mostly right wingers saying she deserved to die. But I'm the one who politicized it? Good's death was a state-sponsored murder, by a trigger happy goon who broke all ICE's protocols in the event. It was a political murder. But I'm the one who politicized it? CdnFux said on Jan 10: "The left is strongly pushing the idea that ice is there to kill citizens and harass the innocent." But I'm the one who politicized it? Goddess said on Jan. 13: "I haven't been able to confirm it, but she has 2 other children that she does not have custody of and there's a lot of chatter..." But I'm the one who politicized it? You just keep telling yourself pathetic lies to make yourself fell better. "No Mommy, I din't eat the cookies" said l'il Cdnfux as he wiped the chocolate from his face. That whole post politicises the "Renee Good" incident. Do you realise that? Quote
User Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: Why exactly is the idea of removing guns from the home of a crazy person controversial? What is crazy here is that you think they are such a threat to society you need to remove guns, but not remove them. 1 1 Quote
ironstone Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 City News applies 'beauty filters' to the image of the shooter? Why? Did they want to soften public perception against the gunman because he was trans? Seems that way. https://www.westernstandard.news/news/citynews-under-fire-for-beauty-filtered-image-of-transgender-shooter/71130 We knew that the media would treat this horrific crime differently because the gunman was trans. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Venandi Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, I am Groot said: Why exactly is the idea of removing guns from the home of a crazy person controversial? It's not. Good Lord.... I'm wondering how to convince the people who deliberately come on here suggesting that it is. Would CAPs work? IT FUC%ING ISN"T... that help? The regulations already exist.... this was a hard three point fail: policing, seizure and storage. Start enforcing existing regulations and stop with the BS narrative that Maple MAGA types think crazy fuc#s who put on makeup and dresses before killing a bunch of kids should have access to guns. Do you seriously think that's true? 2 hours ago, I am Groot said: Yeah, you can kill people with a knife, but it's a lot easier with a gun. I haven't looked into the physiology of this, but my take on it is that the gun is more for the post carnage suicide than it is for the carnage itself. If the goal is to kill a bunch of people there are better ways, cheaper ways, easier ways, more effective ways, less likely to get caught ways.... and the time to start addressing all this is now BECAUSE: When those "better ways" come to town I think all these discussions about gun control are going to seem like the good old days and you'll want to ban damn near everything... from pressure cookers to firecrackers, matches to household chemicals, fuel oil to fertilizer, batteries to alarm clocks. Want to talk about the proliferation of drones in the hands of raving fools? There's a thread for ya. If you want to start by banning white vans though I'm all in. If you don't think crazy people drive white vans get a motorcycle, drive it coast to coast; let us know how far you get before changing your mind. Edited February 13 by Venandi 1 Quote
eyeball Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 (edited) 6 hours ago, Venandi said: As more details come to light (and you have to dig for them), I think this will come to be seen as huge policing failure. I guess like guns, they're out of control as well - these are actually a failure of government. The lack of resources available for treating mental health is another. 1 hour ago, User said: What is crazy here is that you think they are such a threat to society you need to remove guns, but not remove them. Like I said before, where do you remove them to? Every psychiatric hospital in the land is filled to capacity. Edited February 13 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Venandi Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Like I said before, where do you remove them to? Every psychiatric hospital in the land is filled to capacity. Cool, let's throw our hands in the air and just ban everything that crazy people can use as a weapon. There's a thread for ya. If you thought Justins list was long, well... you ain't seen nothing yet. Quote
eyeball Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Just now, Venandi said: Cool, let's throw our hands in the air and just ban everything that crazy people can use as a weapon. There's a thread for ya. If you thought Justins list was long, well... you ain't seen nothing yet. No. Let's put more resources into mental healthcare. Why do I keep running into people who throw their hands up at that suggestion? I've seen people doing this for decades now. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Venandi Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Let's put more resources into mental healthcare. Look at that... first sensible comment "you people" have made in the whole bloody thread. 2 1 Quote
eyeball Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 28 minutes ago, Venandi said: Look at that... first sensible comment "you people" have made in the whole bloody thread. It should go without saying and you people could have piped up right at the beginning but you had all these other grievances you needed to get out first. You should go take them up with your therapists maybe. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
User Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: Good's death was a state-sponsored murder, by a trigger happy goon who broke all ICE's protocols in the event. It was a political murder. But I'm the one who politicized it? Yes, just as you are doing so right now. It was not murder. The ICE officer did not break all the protocols. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 13 Author Report Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: But I'm the one who politicized it? Yup . And you're being completely dishonest about it. Quote Good's death was a state-sponsored murder, Another lie. She was shot himself defense by an officer who had every possible legitimate reason to feel his life was in danger. But you feel the need to politicize it and you just proven that I'm right 100%. Quote CdnFux said on Jan 10: "The left is strongly pushing the idea that ice is there to kill citizens and harass the innocent." But I'm the one who politicized it? Yes that's right. You and others like you had already tried to politicize it at that point by making those kinds of statements and I was responding to it. So you try and politicize it, I comment on the fact that your politicizing it, and you somehow think that this now means that I was the one politicizing it. What are you, like six or something? Here's a hint little guy, if you knew you were in the right you wouldn't feel the need to change my name to make yourself feel like you're not a complete loser Quote Goddess said on Jan. 13: "I haven't been able to confirm it, but she has 2 other children that she does not have custody of and there's a lot of chatter..." That's not actually political stupid. How is that right-wing or left-wing or anything political? Have you been drinking already? As usual when you know you're wrong and you're getting emotional you turn into a complete liar and a dishonest piece of shit. Get your act together and go change your diapers, you stink 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 42 minutes ago, Venandi said: Cool, let's throw our hands in the air and just ban everything that crazy people can use as a weapon. There's a thread for ya. If you thought Justins list was long, well... you ain't seen nothing yet. OK...so, is it only crazy people that use a gun? Or only when you go on a shooting spree are you considered crazy? How do we make sure you are not crazy when you buy a gun (or guns)? I have no solution but is seems those that are overtly critical do not either. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted February 13 Author Report Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: It should go without saying and you people could have piped up right at the beginning I did stupid. And it doesn't go without saying, it actually has to be hammered into your teeny tiny little brains with a mallet. Iamgroot did too saying specifically ":When things like this happen, the thing to do is try to figure out why. Society is filled with people who have mental/emotional problems who don't get treated" and that was like post 5 in the thread, immediately after some details started to come out. What your side jumped on or tried to already was gosh we should bang guns because nobody was ever murdered before guns etc etc But then we've already established that you don't really care about children didn't know. you've been more interested in the politics since the beginning 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted February 13 Author Report Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I have no solution but is seems those that are overtly critical do not either. The solutions are terribly complicated. What appropriate funding into mental health issues. The police have the laws necessary to be able to address situations where somebody has been identified as being a threat. Don't pass gun laws that focus on the type of gun because it's meaningless, pass laws that focus on responsible use and training and securing the guns when not in use. That helps with accidents and theft. And most importantly educate the public on mental health issues and how to recognize when someone's really in trouble and make sure they know how to get help. That's probably the biggest And generally speaking when we do that in Canada that works for us. We tend to stop more killers before they take action, we tend to keep lawfully owned guns out of the hands of people who would miss use them with something like 95% of all guns used in crime coming from illegal sources, etc. blaming the tool is pointless. Once a person has decided to kill, they'er going to kill. You HAVE to focus on the person. 3 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
User Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Like I said before, where do you remove them to? Every psychiatric hospital in the land is filled to capacity. Who is going to go get the guns? Where will they be stored? The police are already maxed out and they have no room in their storage for these guns! OMG What do we do? 1 Quote
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