Are we witnessing the same thing as the Nazi Brown Shirts in 1930s Germany?

[blackbird]

Someone wrote this in FB:

I was reading back through some history this morning, thinking about the 'Brownshirts' in 1930s Germany. These weren't the polished generals in the fancy medals you see in the old movies. No, these were the street brawlers. The muscle.

They had a very specific job: Make a mess.

They’d go into the streets, pick fights, and stir up enough chaos that the average person was scared to walk to the grocery store. Then—and here’s the trick—the man at the top would put on a clean suit, stand in front of a microphone, and say:

"Look at this chaos. The government is weak. But me? I’m the only one who can bring back order."

It was a scam. They created the fire just so they could sell you the extinguisher.

A lot of folks fell for it because they were tired. They were exhausted by the noise and the fighting, so they handed the keys over to the guy who promised a little quiet—not realizing he was the one who ordered the windows broken in the first place.

The Lesson: Never trust a man who says "only I can fix it" while his friends are the ones breaking it behind your back. Peace that requires a bully’s permission isn't peace... it’s a hostage situation. 

 

[User]

Are you talking about how leftists/Democrats are encouraging the lawlessness on the streets to create this chaos interfering with law enforcement? 

[gatomontes99]

8 minutes ago, User said:

Are you talking about how leftists/Democrats are encouraging the lawlessness on the streets to create this chaos interfering with law enforcement? 

I.e. 2020

[robosmith]

Simply YES. ICE and State National Guard is Trump's personal ARMY.

Just watch what happens in the next election.

[John Stone]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Someone wrote this in FB:

I was reading back through some history this morning, thinking about the 'Brownshirts' in 1930s Germany. These weren't the polished generals in the fancy medals you see in the old movies. No, these were the street brawlers. The muscle.

They had a very specific job: Make a mess.

They’d go into the streets, pick fights, and stir up enough chaos that the average person was scared to walk to the grocery store. Then—and here’s the trick—the man at the top would put on a clean suit, stand in front of a microphone, and say:

"Look at this chaos. The government is weak. But me? I’m the only one who can bring back order."

It was a scam. They created the fire just so they could sell you the extinguisher.

A lot of folks fell for it because they were tired. They were exhausted by the noise and the fighting, so they handed the keys over to the guy who promised a little quiet—not realizing he was the one who ordered the windows broken in the first place.

The Lesson: Never trust a man who says "only I can fix it" while his friends are the ones breaking it behind your back. Peace that requires a bully’s permission isn't peace... it’s a hostage situation. 

 

While ICE could  be  considered mercenaries ,  the Brown Shirts were ideologically driven and as you say, extremely important in the rise of the 'National Socialist German Workers' Party' (NAZI), party. Germany, post WWI became a republic (Weimar). This happened basically overnight and a consequence there was an explosion of political parties - by extension it was difficult to get a majority - coalitions were popular (ya think?). Ernst Rohm was the ranking member  of the Brown Shirts. The Brown Shirts eventually became the militant wing of the NAZI party. With the political opposition so stiff the opposition ranks needed to be thinned out  - by any means. Opposition rallies were disrupted with prejudice and intimidation by any means was the method of choice. The Brown Shirts were paramilitary organization - veterans of WWI, brutal and used to using violence. They were ideologically driven - to a fault -highly regimented. 

ICE is nothing like that - they're poorly trained, unprofessional- no discipline and likely doing the 'job' for the signing bonus. I don't say that as a pejorative - but just look at them. To compare them to regular cops, regular army or NG  is laughable - however to see ICE as comparable to Brown Shirts? Not in my opinion. 

[bush_cheney2004]

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Are we witnessing the same thing as the Nazi Brown Shirts in 1930s Germany?

 

No....we are witnessing the same thing as America in the 1770's, 1860's, 1910's, 1920's, 1940's, 1960's, and 1970's.  

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, User said:

Are you talking about how leftists/Democrats are encouraging the lawlessness on the streets to create this chaos interfering with law enforcement? 

Yes, it's just that the liar doesn't understand that Right side of this forum sees right through his bullshit. 

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

Someone wrote this in FB:

I was reading back through some history this morning, thinking about the 'Brownshirts' in 1930s Germany. These weren't the polished generals in the fancy medals you see in the old movies. No, these were the street brawlers. The muscle.

They had a very specific job: Make a mess.

They’d go into the streets, pick fights, and stir up enough chaos that the average person was scared to walk to the grocery store. Then—and here’s the trick—the man at the top would put on a clean suit, stand in front of a microphone, and say:

"Look at this chaos. The government is weak. But me? I’m the only one who can bring back order."

It was a scam. They created the fire just so they could sell you the extinguisher.

A lot of folks fell for it because they were tired. They were exhausted by the noise and the fighting, so they handed the keys over to the guy who promised a little quiet—not realizing he was the one who ordered the windows broken in the first place.

The Lesson: Never trust a man who says "only I can fix it" while his friends are the ones breaking it behind your back. Peace that requires a bully’s permission isn't peace... it’s a hostage situation. 

 

Brown shirts and Antifa would've been great friends and allies. 

[WestCanMan]

@blackbird FYI:

• Brownshirts were a militia controlled by the Nazi party, not the German gov't
• just like the KKK were a militia controlled by the DNC, not the US gov't
• similar to BLM which is a militia that's controlled - at arm's length - by the DNC, not the US gov't
• similar to Antifa which is a militia that's controlled - at arm's length - by the DNC, not the US gov't
• BUT.. Ice Agents are members of the US gov't, not the GOP or DNC

The green-suited, masked, armed units who wore no name tags, and were employed to break up peaceful protests in Canada during vax-fascism have far more in common with Brownshirts than Ice agents do. 

We had fascism here in Canada, Blackbird. 100%.

People were forced to take injections which they didn't need. Bank accounts were frozen. We had a gesundheitspass just like Hitler had, for the purpose of ostracizing undesirables. Peaceful protesters had gas stolen from them, and some were beaten in the street after surrendering on their knees. The gov't was blatantly hate-mongering on TV. We had book-burning in the form of full control over social media commentary while propaganda and disinformation were on full blast. Our gov't even created gulags/concentration camps that they initially denied the existence of, but then called "Voluntary Covid Self-Isolation Camps", because they figured people might rather stay in the Yukon than their own bedroom.  

 

You wouldn't notice fascism if it beat your neighbour on the street, and killed their daughter with an injection that was theoretically safe, but which she never needed. 

Edited January 8 by WestCanMan

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No....we are witnessing the same thing as America in the 1770's, 1860's, 1910's, 1920's, 1940's, 1960's, and 1970's.  

The recurring theme from you is that this happened in the past. 

No intelligent person is unaware of that.

 

Is there a bridge too far or not? 

If the US is just Texas and Montana.... With a 10-ft wide path between them.... Is that okay with you? 

Hypothetical of course

[ironstone]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

Simply YES. ICE and State National Guard is Trump's personal ARMY.

Just watch what happens in the next election.

If the left does their usual thing, then the National Guard will(and should) react accordingly.

[TreeBeard]

Yes, they could definitely be described as Trump’s brown shirts.  Violent. Loyal to a person, not to the constitution. Racist.  
 

Definitely lots of parallels. 

[Zeitgeist]

13 hours ago, blackbird said:

Someone wrote this in FB:

I was reading back through some history this morning, thinking about the 'Brownshirts' in 1930s Germany. These weren't the polished generals in the fancy medals you see in the old movies. No, these were the street brawlers. The muscle.

They had a very specific job: Make a mess.

They’d go into the streets, pick fights, and stir up enough chaos that the average person was scared to walk to the grocery store. Then—and here’s the trick—the man at the top would put on a clean suit, stand in front of a microphone, and say:

"Look at this chaos. The government is weak. But me? I’m the only one who can bring back order."

It was a scam. They created the fire just so they could sell you the extinguisher.

A lot of folks fell for it because they were tired. They were exhausted by the noise and the fighting, so they handed the keys over to the guy who promised a little quiet—not realizing he was the one who ordered the windows broken in the first place.

The Lesson: Never trust a man who says "only I can fix it" while his friends are the ones breaking it behind your back. Peace that requires a bully’s permission isn't peace... it’s a hostage situation. 

 

I have to agree to some degree. While ICE has a reasonable enough mandate on paper, in practice it overreaches that mandate. The ICE cop who shot that woman three times behaved in a cowardly manner.  He was on his feet as the car turned and remained on his feet as he shot her, a U.S. citizen.  This has the air of Pinochet’s Chile.  ICE doesn’t seem accountable.  Trump’s regime is harsh and wields power too stridently. I think these kinds of events turn political tides.  Middle of the road people don’t want to see a poetry-writing mother of three killed because a tricked up overzealous cop with the title “ICE Agent” is quick on the trigger. Too much.

Edited January 9 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Is there a bridge too far or not? 

If the US is just Texas and Montana.... With a 10-ft wide path between them.... Is that okay with you? 

 

Yes...it is the sobering understanding of U.S. history, the present, and the future, with no sentimental confusion about exactly why that wide path exists.    No educated person should deny this reality in the hope of just making it all go away.

America is what it is...and always has been.    Yet...they still come...more than to any other country.  

[bush_cheney2004]

18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I have to agree to some degree. While ICE has a reasonable enough mandate on paper, in practice it overreaches that mandate. The ICE cop who shot that woman three times behaved in a cowardly manner.  He was on his feet as the car turned and remained on his feet as he shot her, a U.S. citizen.  This has the air of Pinochet’s Chile.  ICE doesn’t seem accountable.  Trump’s regime is harsh and wields power too stridently. I think these kinds of events turn political tides.  Middle of the road people don’t want to see a poetry-writing mother of three killed because a tricked up overzealous cop with the title “ICE Agent” is quick on the trigger. Too much.

 

Disagree...she got a strong dose of American police powers that have long been established and accepted in case law for many other kinds of American citizens (particularly the non-white variety) and their illegal actions, long before Trump came along.   This liberal, poet, mother-of-three thought it was social justice calling on the cold and snowy streets of south Minneapolis, but she miscalculated badly.   For her like minded folk, she is now a brave but deceased hero.   This is little comfort to her children.

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Disagree...she got a strong dose of American police powers that have long been established and accepted in case law for many other kinds of American citizens (particularly the non-white variety) and their illegal actions, long before Trump came along.   This liberal, poet, mother-of-three thought it was social justice calling on the cold and snowy streets of south Minneapolis, but she miscalculated badly.   For her like minded folk, she is now a brave but deceased hero.   This is little comfort to her children.

How can you justify her killing?  This was a clear example of excessive force, clear enough, I think, to enough Americans to make a real impact at the polls. I don’t think real men conduct themselves this way.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

How can you justify her killing?  This was a clear example of excessive force, clear enough, I think, to enough Americans to make a real impact at the polls. I don’t think real men conduct themselves this way.

 

Has nothing to do with justice...this was just another use-of-force incident in America, just like the thousands before.  It is neither new or remarkable, save for the political trappings and performative angst.   Her family and attorney will file a wrongful death lawsuit just like many others.   The government will settle or go to trial...money will change hands.

...then cue up the next one.

As for the polls, Americans made a real impact in 2024.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Has nothing to do with justice...this was just another use-of-force incident in America, just like the thousands before.  It is neither new or remarkable, save for the political trappings and performative angst.   Her family and attorney will file a wrongful death lawsuit just like many others.   The government will settle or go to trial...money will change hands.

...then cue up the next one.

As for the polls, Americans made a real impact in 2024.

It’s nevertheless a significant event.  The George Floyd incident that happened around the corner sparked revolutionary fervour.  

[User]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Is there a bridge too far or not? 

Of course there is, but we are nowhere near it nor NAZI brown shirts... 

[bush_cheney2004]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s nevertheless a significant event.  The George Floyd incident that happened around the corner sparked revolutionary fervour.  

 

This event does not rise to the local and national level of the George Floyd incident in 2020.   There will be no riots, burned down cities, or bronze defiance sculptures in the streets.    Frankly, some black folks resent the comparison.

[User]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

This event does not rise to the local and national level of the George Floyd incident in 2020.   There will be no riots, burned down cities, or bronze defiance sculptures in the streets.    Frankly, some black folks resent the comparison.

Well... that is because it was a white woman. 

Had this been a black woman and the officer white, it would be 10 times worse, non-stop RACISM on the news. 

[Zeitgeist]

20 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

This event does not rise to the local and national level of the George Floyd incident in 2020.   There will be no riots, burned down cities, or bronze defiance sculptures in the streets.    Frankly, some black folks resent the comparison.

The protests today weren’t insignificant.  I agree that it’s not at the Floyd level, but it doesn’t have to be. Trump was foolish to rush to the agent’s defence, because I think this has legs politically with in the middle voters who could make the difference.  As an outside observer of examples of excess in these raids, this may be the last straw. The issue here isn’t race, it’s about the lengths to which a society goes to “root out illegal entrants”.  I think middle of the road people are a bit disgusted, and that may be enough to swing votes.  It would swing mine definitively at this point. The, “I hate this party less” scale is close to the tipping point.  

Edited January 9 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

The protests today weren’t insignificant.  I agree that it’s not at the Floyd level, but it doesn’t have to be. Trump was foolish to rush to the agent’s defence, because I think this had legs politically with in the middle voters who could make the difference.  As an outside observer of examples of excess in these raids, this may be the last straw.

 

Trump thrives on this kind of energy, it is his secret sauce that has confounded his critics for years.   Political volatility is Trumps friend.   Voters may choose differently in the mid-terms, but they will not necessarily choose the Wokies.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Trump thrives on this kind of energy, it is his secret sauce that has confounded his critics for years.   Political volatility is Trumps friend.   Voters may choose differently in the mid-terms, but they will not necessarily choose the Wokies.

The Dems just have to appear more rational, which I agree has been hard for them to do thus far.  The wokesters must get the boot for the Dems to make big gains.  

[bush_cheney2004]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The Dems just have to appear more rational, which I agree has been hard for them to do thus far.  The wokesters must get the boot for the Dems to make big gains.  

 

Dems know this, but they don't know how to do it without losing part of their coalition base and big money donors.   Invoking Nazis and fascists around every corner is not a winning strategy for most voters.   Abortion rights did not compel enough women voters either.    Deporting illegals was a winning strategy for a majority of ALL voters.

Plus they are getting owned in the new media space the same way Rush Limbaugh dominated AM radio vs. Air America and Democracy Now (Al Franken & Rachel Maddow).   They thought old fashioned door knocking would turn out votes for Dems.

[blackbird]

23 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Has nothing to do with justice...this was just another use-of-force incident in America, just like the thousands before.  It is neither new or remarkable, save for the political trappings and performative angst.   Her family and attorney will file a wrongful death lawsuit just like many others.   The government will settle or go to trial...money will change hands.

...then cue up the next one.

As for the polls, Americans made a real impact in 2024.

Satan is real.  This world system is very corrupt.   I am not convinced what the administration is doing follows Christian or Biblical principles.  I see everything happening as more of a political or populist agenda.  God has a plan and there will be judgement. Read the King James Bible.  That woman was a martyr.  Evil will not win in the end.

Edited January 10 by blackbird