Are we witnessing the same thing as the Nazi Brown Shirts in 1930s Germany?

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, User said:

Of course there is, but we are nowhere near it nor NAZI brown shirts... 

It's good to hear that there is one.

Comparisons to Nazi Germany aren't accurate IMO.  The USA is still a Democratic Nation with strong checks and balances within the system.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Yes...it is the sobering understanding of U.S. history, the present, and the future, with no sentimental confusion about exactly why that wide path exists.    No educated person should deny this reality in the hope of just making it all go away.

America is what it is...and always has been.    Yet...they still come...more than to any other country.  

This reads as a resonant statement of spirit, from a patriot.  Thank you.

That said, I am going to nitpick to say that nothing is what it has always been. The essence might be there but for the US and Canada also, the sand shifts under our feet.

There's no frontier, death is not a constant companion, and the cornerstone of religion is gone......

Instead we have The enslavement and corruption of COMFORT. But these comments are about the world, not America.

Edited January 9 by Michael Hardner

[bush_cheney2004]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That said, I am going to nitpick to say that nothing is what it has always been. The essence might be there but for the US and Canada also, the sand shifts under our feet.

There's no frontier, death is not a constant companion, and the cornerstone of religion is gone......

 

Fair enough, but the underlying motivations remain the same.   The competition remains the same.  Religion is still a significant factor in regions of both countries.   Widespread deaths happened only 5 years ago.

Yes, we live in the modern here and now, but we are still bounded by age old limitations and aspirations.

Even this thread tries to draw comparisons to "Brown Shirts" of the 1930's.

[bush_cheney2004]

31 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Satan is real.  This world system is very corrupt.  An anti-Christ is in control in the WH.  God has a plan and there will be judgement. Read the King James Bible.  That woman was a martyr.  Evil will not win in the end.

 

I have no problem with her martyrdom...she has certainly earned it from her like minded peers.   Print the t-shirts, ink the tattoos, erect the memorials.   It's the least they can do considering the price she has paid for absolutely nothing.

[West]

We are witnessing Democrats pumping out propaganda while they rob the tax payers blind 

[John Stone]

Brownshirts would have no problem throwing another jew on the fire. 

Germany at that time was pure RAGE

Those Versailles a$$holes were akin  to the crew that sacrificed 20k troops, KIA on the Somme,  the first day!

OLD men deciding the fate of young men. 

  Pompous,  arrogant, self righteous. 

......... the rumor is that the Black Shirts were envious of the Brown Shirts. 

[Nationalist]

23 hours ago, blackbird said:

Someone wrote this in FB:

I was reading back through some history this morning, thinking about the 'Brownshirts' in 1930s Germany. These weren't the polished generals in the fancy medals you see in the old movies. No, these were the street brawlers. The muscle.

They had a very specific job: Make a mess.

They’d go into the streets, pick fights, and stir up enough chaos that the average person was scared to walk to the grocery store. Then—and here’s the trick—the man at the top would put on a clean suit, stand in front of a microphone, and say:

"Look at this chaos. The government is weak. But me? I’m the only one who can bring back order."

It was a scam. They created the fire just so they could sell you the extinguisher.

A lot of folks fell for it because they were tired. They were exhausted by the noise and the fighting, so they handed the keys over to the guy who promised a little quiet—not realizing he was the one who ordered the windows broken in the first place.

The Lesson: Never trust a man who says "only I can fix it" while his friends are the ones breaking it behind your back. Peace that requires a bully’s permission isn't peace... it’s a hostage situation. 

 

LOL.

Someone on Facebook eh?

Gawd are you ever desperate. 

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Fair enough, but the underlying motivations remain the same.   The competition remains the same.  Religion is still a significant factor in regions of both countries.   Widespread deaths happened only 5 years ago.

Yes, we live in the modern here and now, but we are still bounded by age old limitations and aspirations.

Even this thread tries to draw comparisons to "Brown Shirts" of the 1930's.

It IS the question of the ages.  "Do things change" ?

I have posted that comparisons of the USA to Nazis (Negative) or to victorious Allies (Positive) or to slave-era, Monroe-era, Spanish civil war, remember the alamo etc. etc. are always overstated.

As you say, Economics trumps virtue and it also trumps nationalism and religion and history, even if they still exist...  There's a gift shop at the Alamo and Auchwitz has a twitter account.  The utility of the present trumps the sentimentality of the past.

Yes, as I just posted... we are our grandparents' children.  What does it mean when tested ?  Could we measure up ?

I'm sure we'd be surprised to see that ... like the Ukranians ... we could.  And that speaks to the point you're making, I think.

[Barquentine]

19 hours ago, John Stone said:

however to see ICE as comparable to Brown Shirts?

Maybe a question of degree, but the effect is the same - to instill fear, and suppress opposition. And it 's working. People stay home from work, keep their kids out of school, for fear of ICE showing up.

But the most telling aspect is Trump sending hordes of ICE into primarily Democratic states where his opposition is.

I wonder, how many ICE agents will be on the streets in Blue states during the mid-terms?

[Barquentine]

14 hours ago, ironstone said:

If the left does their usual thing, then the National Guard will(and should) react accordingly.

What are you talking about?

[John Stone]

5 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Maybe a question of degree, but the effect is the same - to instill fear, and suppress opposition. And it 's working. People stay home from work, keep their kids out of school, for fear of ICE showing up.

But the most telling aspect is Trump sending hordes of ICE into primarily Democratic states where his opposition is.

I wonder, how many ICE agents will be on the streets in Blue states during the mid-terms?

........... a good strategy would be to wear 'white face' while waiting to vote. lol

But ur point is well taken  - it will affect turnout. 

[CDN1]

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s nevertheless a significant event.  The George Floyd incident that happened around the corner sparked revolutionary fervour.  

Yeah, maybe the right needs to adopt thase liberals' methods and weaponize mass civil unrest every time an illegal kills or rapes a citizen.

It's only a matter of time. We're already seeing that response grow in the UK.

Don't fool yourselves, guys. None of this is going away after Trump. It's only going to get much darker and crazier.

 

Edited January 9 by CDN1

[CDN1]

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The protests today weren’t insignificant.  I agree that it’s not at the Floyd level, but it doesn’t have to be. Trump was foolish to rush to the agent’s defence, because I think this has legs politically with in the middle voters who could make the difference.  As an outside observer of examples of excess in these raids, this may be the last straw. The issue here isn’t race, it’s about the lengths to which a society goes to “root out illegal entrants”.  I think middle of the road people are a bit disgusted, and that may be enough to swing votes.  It would swing mine definitively at this point. The, “I hate this party less” scale is close to the tipping point.  

You don't get to flood the country with third world illegals and then obstruct Federal law enforcement from removing them after you lose an election.

Mass amnesty has always been end game for Democrats who view a coallition of non-White voting blocs giving them a permanent hold on political power.

All this while Democrats have normalized anti-White scapegoating, discrimination, and propaganda pushed through liberal institutions. They continue to stoke & gaslight on race when Black Americans have been murdering, raping, and assaulting White Americans at obscene disproportional rates for multiple generations' entire lifetimes with no end in sight 

Keep on going down this path and open ethnic conflict is guaranteed.

 

Edited January 9 by CDN1

[ironstone]

49 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

What are you talking about?

Since they are mentioning 'another George Floyd' moment, that would be an indication  that the left could go and riot...again.

[User]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

Maybe a question of degree, but the effect is the same - to instill fear, and suppress opposition. And it 's working. People stay home from work, keep their kids out of school, for fear of ICE showing up.

But the most telling aspect is Trump sending hordes of ICE into primarily Democratic states where his opposition is.

I wonder, how many ICE agents will be on the streets in Blue states during the mid-terms?

The only people who have this fear reasonably are here ILLEGALLY. 

So, what is your point? 

I want people here ILLEGALLY to be fearful because THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW and we want to deter this from continuing to happen. 

ICE is operating in majority red states as well, but it is not as sensationalized because the local law enforcement and political leadership is not making it an political issue to oppose ICE. 

Also, as it was pointed out, ICE has to operate with different more aggressive tactics in these Blue cities and states, BECAUSE they do not cooperate, if forces ICE out into the communities to arrest these criminals instead of simply stopping by the jail to arrest them before they are let go. 

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Since they are mentioning 'another George Floyd' moment, that would be an indication  that the left could go and riot...again.

Rioting is stupid.  Making ICE pay for being there would be a better focus.  

[ironstone]

14 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Rioting is stupid.

Agreed.

 

14 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Making ICE pay for being there would be a better focus.  

They were doing their job. What has been left out so far is who they were there to apprehend. This is the man that protesters did not want ICE to capture.

Search Assist

ICE was attempting to arrest Roberto Carlos Muñoz-Guatemala during the incident when the woman, Renee Nicole Good, was shot. He was in the country illegally and had a criminal history, including domestic assault and sex crimes against a minor.

Edited January 9 by ironstone

[User]

19 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Rioting is stupid.  Making ICE pay for being there would be a better focus.  

Define what you mean by making them pay. 

 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Maybe a question of degree, but the effect is the same - to instill fear, and suppress opposition. And it 's working. People stay home from work, keep their kids out of school, for fear of ICE showing up.

But the most telling aspect is Trump sending hordes of ICE into primarily Democratic states where his opposition is.

I wonder, how many ICE agents will be on the streets in Blue states during the mid-terms?

Instill fear...in whom...exactly?

Tell me...why would federal police present to find illegal alien criminals and deport them, instill fear in Citizens?

If some citizen stays home from work because said person is afraid of ICE agents, I'd suggest that person's resistance be investigated. Which brings us to the underlying issue...or one of them at least...why do these cities refuse to work WITH federal police? They could simply turn over any illegals to ICE and ICE wouldn't need to go out after them as often. Why are they not helping?

Instead, they stand down and allow the public to fight with ICE. 

Its insanity. Pure insanity.

Edited January 9 by Nationalist

[TreeBeard]

39 minutes ago, ironstone said:

ICE was attempting to arrest Roberto Carlos Muñoz-Guatemala during the incident when the woman, Renee Nicole Good, was shot. He was in the country illegally and had a criminal history, including domestic assault and sex crimes against a minor.

How convenient.  I’m sure a bunch of masked goons marching through the streets is the best way to apprehend Nester the Molester.   The right really is this gullible….  

[ironstone]

6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

How convenient.  I’m sure a bunch of masked goons marching through the streets is the best way to apprehend Nester the Molester.   The right really is this gullible….  

They are masked because of the high probability of doxing by the usual suspects on the left.

Would you prefer that the man that committed domestic assault and sex crimes against a minor be allowed to stay in the country?

[TreeBeard]

3 minutes ago, ironstone said:

They are masked because of the high probability of doxing by the usual suspects on the left.

Would you prefer that the man that committed domestic assault and sex crimes against a minor be allowed to stay in the country?

They are marching through the streets hoping to confront citizens.  If you want to catch Nester the Molestor, you’re going to have to be a bit more precise with your tactics. 

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

They are marching through the streets hoping to confront citizens.  If you want to catch Nester the Molestor, you’re going to have to be a bit more precise with your tactics. 

They should have sent the IDF. They're said to have precision massacres down to fine art.

[User]

43 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

They are marching through the streets hoping to confront citizens.  If you want to catch Nester the Molestor, you’re going to have to be a bit more precise with your tactics. 

Marching through the streets? WTF are you talking about?

[Zeitgeist]

Again the responses on this are polarizing and polarized. The issue here isn’t that ICE had a right to go into the community to extract an illegal.  The issue isn’t that an observer didn’t have a right to observe.  I don’t even think there’s any question that the woman deserved to be removed from obstructing the roadway.  The issue is that a woman was shot and killed for obstructing the roadway. This didn’t have to happen.  She could’ve been redirected and removed in other less volatile ways. This was a failure of technique. The weaponized vehicle argument is a stretch that won’t pass muster with the majority of people in my opinion. It raises valid questions about the tactics of ICE agents and the processes of the people directing them, which can’t entirely be separated from political decisions. Trump could’ve at least tried to make the distinction by saying that an investigation needs to be completed without assuming that the agent was in the right. Backing that officer connects the agent’s actions with the policy and the politicians who wrote it.

Edited January 9 by Zeitgeist