Hungarian PM Victor Orban says Europe must return to its Christian roots. What about Canada?

[blackbird]

From a posting on Facebook.

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Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán says Europe may be losing what once held it together—its Christian identity.

Speaking at a conference on Christian persecution, he argued that Hungary’s support for persecuted Christians isn’t just charity, but a reminder of the faith, perseverance, and values Europe itself desperately needs.

Orbán said Christianity is written into Hungary’s Constitution and history, calling it the key to the nation’s survival for more than a thousand years.

He warned that Christian persecution isn’t just a humanitarian issue but an attack on an entire civilization—one that Europe is too afraid to name openly.

While many European leaders stay silent, Orbán insists Christians have the right to defend their culture. His conclusion was blunt: Europe can only be saved if it returns to its Christian roots."

Many countries stand for their identity based on religious beliefs.  For example, India stands for Hinduism, Pakistan and Iran for Islam, etc.  Sikhs want their own country.

What about Canada?  What is Canada's identity or do we even have one?  What was our identity historically?

Edited December 26, 2025 by blackbird

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

What was our identity historically?

Increasingly secular, as evidenced by where we are now.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Increasingly secular, as evidenced by where we are now.

Turning away from Biblical truth has resulted in the decay of society in some significant ways.

The following may be true in one sense.

"As religious influence over societal norms has declined, people have gained more control over their own lives, particularly in areas like marriage, family structure, and education. For example, secularization has allowed for the acceptance of diverse family structures, gender equality, and sexual freedom—issues that were once heavily regulated by religious institutions."

But what has secularization done to the family structure and marriage?  The truth is it has led to widespread family breakdown, high percentage ending in divorce and children coming from broken homes.  

It has also resulted in, as it says, "more sexual freedom".  Is that a good thing?  I don't think so.

The decline or weakening of the family structure can partly be blamed on the sexual revolution or sexual freedom in society.

Far more children are being raised in broken homes, which does nothing to strengthen a feeling of security and peace for children and young people.

Also, the rise of the LGBTQ culture destroys the family structure as well and fewer people have children in a traditional family structure.

Another thing is women in the Caucasian race are having fewer children than previously.  More women are choosing to work until they are older.  They are having children at an older age than previously.   This means fewer children per family. This creates societal problems. 

More women are having to work for a living in order for the family to buy a home and support the family.  Also when women have to work, they are not at home taking care of the children themselves.  More children have to go to day care at a younger age.  This weakens the family structure.  Children are not being raised by their parents as much of the time.

Fewer children by established or long term Canadians means there will be less people paying taxes to pay for things like old age pensions and health care, etc.  More Canadians are in the senior age group than before.  To compensate for that, the government is forced to bring in more immigrants from countries which have a different culture or belief system than traditional Canadians.

 

Edited December 26, 2025 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

Increasingly secular, as evidenced by where we are now.

Christian Identity kept Europe together?

This Orban is evil or retarded.

How did Christian Europe do before 1945?

Secular Humanism, strong social infrastructure and open society created the strongest European Union.

Populism isn't populist.

[Nationalist]

55 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Christian Identity kept Europe together?

This Orban is evil or retarded.

How did Christian Europe do before 1945?

Secular Humanism, strong social infrastructure and open society created the strongest European Union.

Populism isn't populist.

Christian morals, a unified belief system held Europe together for centuries. 

That you try to impose rust to social cohesion makes you evil...or retarded.

The European Union is a complete failure. All it's done is bleed central Europe...including Hungary...and lead Europe to disaster.

So are you retarded Mike?

Edited December 26, 2025 by Nationalist

[paxamericana]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

Increasingly secular, as evidenced by where we are now.

Secular is not an excuse for Paganism or Atheism, Secularism is not a religous belief. Secular was simply meant to spearate Church from State. Not Church from people. The anti religous "secular" crowd as far as I see, have not provided a better alternative value system. 

[ironstone]

Orban seems to be one of the very few leaders in Europe with common sense. Hungary isn't suffering the same kinds of problems that the mass immigration-loving nations are going through.

I think Canada should follow his lead as far as immigration goes.

 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Secular was simply meant to spearate Church from State. Not Church from people. The anti religous "secular" crowd as far as I see, have not provided a better alternative value system.

Secularism just happened, it wasn't organized like a religion. It just emerged - society embraced values based on reality, science and knowledge because they delivered more than fantasy, belief and faith could.

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Christian morals, a unified belief system held Europe together for centuries. 

That you try to impose rust to social cohesion makes you evil...or retarded.

The European Union is a complete failure. All it's done is bleed central Europe...including Hungary...and lead Europe to disaster.

So are you retarded Mike?

No.  Europe was in constant war except for periods where treaties like Westphalia or NATO United them 

Those are cites and reasons, try that instead of staying your opinion on its own.

46 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Secularism just happened, it wasn't organized like a religion. It just emerged - society embraced values based on reality, science and knowledge because they delivered more than fantasy, belief and faith could.

It came from freedom of opinion, and philosophical examination of the world via reason.

[Shady]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Increasingly secular, as evidenced by where we are now.

Yes, and unfortunately as we’ve become more secular, the country has become worse and worse.

53 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Orban seems to be one of the very few leaders in Europe with common sense. Hungary isn't suffering the same kinds of problems that the mass immigration-loving nations are going through.

I think Canada should follow his lead as far as immigration goes.

 

Poland isn’t either.

[paxamericana]

59 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Secularism just happened, it wasn't organized like a religion. It just emerged - society embraced values based on reality, science and knowledge because they delivered more than fantasy, belief and faith could.

That’s not how the enlightenment thinkers thought. Secularism was brought about during the endless European wars instigated by the churches of Europe. Nothing to do with this fantasy about science and knowledge. The Luciferian worshiper worship their own intellect, the sin of pride. That’s why you don’t put intellect above god, that’s how Lucifer came to be. 
 

Point I’m making is that it was already thought out and taught in the bible, you’re not going to come up with anything that isn’t already transcendent. 

[blackbird]

21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It came from freedom of opinion, and philosophical examination of the world via reason.

Actually, prior to the Reformation in the 1500s in Europe, there was no freedom of opinion.  Your church, the RCC, dominated all thought and opinion and beliefs.  Everyone was required to submit to Rome or else face the Inquisition, torture, punishment and even death.  Now you pretend that never happened when in fact your freedom you have today came about as a result of the Reformation and break away from the totalitarianism of Rome.  Freedom of religion, belief, and speech are a direct result of the Reformation in Europe.

However, using that freedom to try to eliminate all Biblical religious beliefs from schools, politics, and any public discussion has gone too far.  Now we have the corruption of the family structure and society as a result.

[suds]

Religion has always played a major role in defining culture with its moral codes, ethics, beliefs, and traditions. Christian armies defeated Islamic invaders in 732 at the Battle of Tours under Charles Martel, in what was a pivotal moment in European history. It prevented the Islamization of Europe, and likely even our own. Countries that have dominant religions and cultures are often the most stable especially when it comes to liberal democracies where minority rights are constitutionally protected.

[Nationalist]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

No.  Europe was in constant war except for periods where treaties like Westphalia or NATO United them 

Those are cites and reasons, try that instead of staying your opinion on its own.

It came from freedom of opinion, and philosophical examination of the world via reason.

The EU is not a unifying force in Europe. Nor is NATO. Both have proven to be imposing and damaging. This is not 1940 anymore Mike. Left to their own designs, Europe would be much better off as a whole, we're the EU to be dissolved. 

Mike I was in Europe while the EU and NATO were enveloping central Europe. I know well what happened and how. I dont need some agent of institutional propaganda to inform me of jack. 

[suds]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Secularism just happened, it wasn't organized like a religion. It just emerged - society embraced values based on reality, science and knowledge because they delivered more than fantasy, belief and faith could.

Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot were all 'secularists'. All saw religion as a threat to their ideologies. Their brand of secularism didn't stop them from murdering millions of their own people. So how did that work out?

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

...you don’t put intellect above god, that’s how Lucifer came to be. 

Doesn't capitalizing the name of Lucifer put him above god?

 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, suds said:

Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot were all 'secularists'. All saw religion as a threat to their ideologies. Their brand of secularism didn't stop them from murdering millions of their own people. So how did that work out?

Not so good. Meanwhile I've been given to understand commies have infiltrated and indoctrinated Canada without murdering anyone and without a single shot being fired in resistance.

How did that happen?

[paxamericana]

54 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Meanwhile I've been given to understand commies have infiltrated and indoctrinated Canada without murdering anyone and without a single shot being fired in resistance.

How did that happen?

That’s not why you should resist communism. It’s not the murder though there will be plenty of that too. It’s the fact that communism only virtue is envy. The entire structure is built on a sin. Commies only talking point is look how much better off someone else is than me.
 

Try building a society on envy and see what it does, that’s how you get mass starvation. That’s not a bug, that’s a feature of communism.

Commie sympathizers simply lack a moral backbone, refusing to condemn what is blatantly evil. Thou shall not covet. 

Edited December 26, 2025 by paxamericana

[User]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Secular Humanism, strong social infrastructure and open society created the strongest European Union.

It is no more Secular Humanism to give credit to than Religion, or to blame either way. What an absurdly gross generalization. 

The entire notion of whatever "morals" you think are behind "secular humanism" in Europe is built on the very foundational morals of religion. 

 

[cougar]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

 What is Canada's identity or do we even have one? 

No identity.

This was achieved deliberately over decades.

The identity is - chasing the $ while waving a maple leaf flag.

Most chase the $ just to survive making them the new generation slaves.

[suds]

49 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not so good. Meanwhile I've been given to understand commies have infiltrated and indoctrinated Canada without murdering anyone and without a single shot being fired in resistance.

How did that happen?

The thing is the three are not really 'secularists' when it comes to 'political secularism'. Political secularism for example.... protects religious freedom, protects religion from politics, protects state from religion, and protects the principle of state neutrality. All of which is basically what most western countries have now.

Edited December 26, 2025 by suds

[TreeBeard]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Christian morals, a unified belief system held Europe together for centuries. 

Europe was “together” for centuries??

This is so revisionist that it’s laughable.  
 

 

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, suds said:

Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot were all 'secularists'.

Don't secularists promote freedom of religion? As in worship anything you want.  That’s what is promoted in Canada by force of law.  
 

That’s exactly the opposite of how the people you listed governed their nations. 

Edited December 26, 2025 by TreeBeard

[suds]

4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Don't secularists promote freedom of religion? As in worship anything you want.  That’s what is promoted in Canada by force of law.  
 

That’s exactly the opposite of how the people you listed governed their nations. 

Exactly. There are different brands of secularism. They don't fall under the political category.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Actually, prior to the Reformation in the 1500s in Europe, there was no freedom of opinion.  Your church, the RCC, dominated all thought and opinion and beliefs.  Everyone was required to submit to Rome or else face the Inquisition, torture, punishment and even death.  Now you pretend that never happened when in fact your freedom you have today came about as a result of the Reformation and break away from the totalitarianism of Rome.  Freedom of religion, belief, and speech are a direct result of the Reformation in Europe.

However, using that freedom to try to eliminate all Biblical religious beliefs from schools, politics, and any public discussion has gone too far.  Now we have the corruption of the family structure and society as a result.

Indeed Protestantism, and Henry VIII, were the first chips in the Rock of Christianity... And why do I own this Catholic Church?🙂