Hungarian PM Victor Orban says Europe must return to its Christian roots. What about Canada?

[blackbird]

Many "secularists" claim they oppse God in public life such as schools, but they have their own god they follow, whether it is their progressivism or woke or Communism or money and earthly pleasures such as illicit sex or drugs.  It becomes their god.

[John Stone]

On 12/25/2025 at 8:45 PM, blackbird said:

From a posting on Facebook.

"

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán says Europe may be losing what once held it together—its Christian identity.

Speaking at a conference on Christian persecution, he argued that Hungary’s support for persecuted Christians isn’t just charity, but a reminder of the faith, perseverance, and values Europe itself desperately needs.

Orbán said Christianity is written into Hungary’s Constitution and history, calling it the key to the nation’s survival for more than a thousand years.

He warned that Christian persecution isn’t just a humanitarian issue but an attack on an entire civilization—one that Europe is too afraid to name openly.

While many European leaders stay silent, Orbán insists Christians have the right to defend their culture. His conclusion was blunt: Europe can only be saved if it returns to its Christian roots."

Many countries stand for their identity based on religious beliefs.  For example, India stands for Hinduism, Pakistan and Iran for Islam, etc.  Sikhs want their own country.

What about Canada?  What is Canada's identity or do we even have one?  What was our identity historically?

 

Vicktor Orban is in political decline - expect an assassination. 

Not Vicktor's. 

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Many "secularists" claim they oppse God in public life such as schools, but they have their own god they follow, whether it is their progressivism or woke or Communism or money and earthly pleasures such as illicit sex or drugs.  It becomes their god.

Some people's gods are bad metaphors...

[I am Groot]

On 12/26/2025 at 8:53 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Christian Identity kept Europe together?

Well, it kept it from being Muslim...

On 12/26/2025 at 8:53 AM, Michael Hardner said:

This Orban is evil or retarded.

Naw, typical politician.

On 12/26/2025 at 8:53 AM, Michael Hardner said:

How did Christian Europe do before 1945?

Well, it ruled the world, so not too badly.

 

On 12/26/2025 at 8:53 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Secular Humanism, strong social infrastructure and open society created the strongest European Union.

The EU is absolutely NOT strong today. Their moronic pursuit of climate change policies is bankrupting them and driving their industry, even German industry to China, India, and other places that have plenty of cheap coal power. Meanwhile, this organization, with a population of 450 million, is panicking because the US might not protect them anymore against a country of 145 million next door. And meanwhile, millions of foreign, military age men, almost all Muslims, are streaming into Europe because the Europeans don't have the balls to stop them. They'll be taking the place over in another couple of generations and doing what their ancestors failed to do: turn it into another huge group of Muslim shitholes.

 

 

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, paxamericana said:

That’s not how the enlightenment thinkers thought. Secularism was brought about during the endless European wars instigated by the churches of Europe.

Most of the wars were instigated by greedy, arrogant, power-hungry men and had nothing to do with religion. They were like Putin's war on Ukraine.

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

Not so good. Meanwhile I've been given to understand commies have infiltrated and indoctrinated Canada without murdering anyone and without a single shot being fired in resistance.

How did that happen?

We let them take over the education system, and they began to indoctrinate students about how Capitalism was evil and Socialism was good.

[Barquentine]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

However, using that freedom to try to eliminate all Biblical religious beliefs from schools, politics, and any public discussion has gone too far

In most western countries that's not happening. Students and teachers are free to believe whatever they want.

Except in the US where some school systems, like Oklahoma are trying to force Christianity on everyone.

[blackbird]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

13 hours ago, paxamericana said:

The fear of god is the beginning of wisdom

No it's not, it's late-stage capitulation to ignorance.

quote

David starts two Psalms with "The fool has said in his heart there is no God" (Psalms 14 & 53).

On the first of April, people will be trying to make fools out of others. That's just a bit of fun. But when one makes a fool of oneself, by disbelief in God, nobody laughs. Why is a person a fool not to believe in God?

1 The Creation Declares God

The creation leads a sensible person to acknowledge God's existence. " The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. "    Psalms 19:1   KJV

Romans 1:18-20

"18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 

19  Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.  20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

We may not be able to know or to prove the certainty of God's existence if we look only at the natural world. But the hypothesis at least cannot be denied, except foolishly. There is exquisite design and order in the created world, all the more remarkable when we observe it emerging from chaos.

In the face of this, it is foolish to say "There is no God."

2 God Declares Himself

God has revealed himself to mankind. God's truth was placed in the world. Paul asserts that, since the creation of the world, "they knew God" (Romans 1:21). Even pagan peoples retain some of that revelation in recognisable form. Then of course there is the Holy Bible which reveals God and his purpose for mankind.

3 The Nation of Israel Declares God

God revealed himself in a special way to one nation Israel. To them God gave "the glory and the covenants" (Romans 9:4) in a special dispensation that is one of the best documented and detailed series of events in ancient history.

We are not talking here merely about a book, the Old Testament, although its credentials are unassailable. But we are talking about a race of people (the Jews) and a city (Jerusalem) which are the tangible outcome of God's special revelation to, and special relationship with the original Israelites.

4 Jesus Christ Reveals God

In an even more special manner, God revealed himself in Jesus of Nazareth. The testimony about this person's existence, and about his crucifixion and resurrection from the dead, is in the form of written eye-witness documents.

The story of Jesus Christ is a matter of fact, not of superstition. "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory" is one eye-witness's testimony (1John 1:1-4, John 1:1,14).

There are no reasonable grounds for rejecting such evidence. None but “a fool” disbelieves in God, and in his scheme of redemption for life everlasting through his Son.

5 Only a Fool Denies God

You cannot sensibly say, “There is no God.” because you would have to know all things and be aware of everything that exists. Can human beings say, “We know and have discovered all things”? If not, then they are in no position to intelligently say, “There is no God”.

If God "dwells in unapproachable light which no [mortal] has seen or can see" (1Timothy 6:16), then we cannot discover God directly.

Of course we can determine the existence of God in other ways, as we have discussed. It is thus foolish to say God doesn't exist on the grounds that current scientific method hasn't found him.

unquote

The Fool - Five Reasons Why it is Foolish Not to Believe in God

Edited December 27, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

30 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

In most western countries that's not happening. Students and teachers are free to believe whatever they want.

In Canada, they tried to take any reference to the God of the Bible out of schools.  At one time, schools had a Bible reading time each day.  They stopped that long ago.   But they teach anti-Christian and anti-Bible ideology.  

In B.C. the BC NDP controls the education system curriculum and has "SOGI 123, or Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity, was established in schools in 2016 by the then-ruling B.C. Liberals, as part of anti-bullying policies. Rustad was a cabinet minister in that government.

How turfing SOGI and banning books became part of B.C.'s election

SOGI 123 is not a curriculum but provides guides and resources to help teachers address discrimination and bullying, create supportive and inclusive environments for 2SLGBTQ+ students and acknowledge varying genders and sexual orientations."

B.C. Conservatives' education platform includes ending SOGI 123 | CBC News

Teachers are not allowed to teach whatever they want in Canada.  They must follow the curriculum given them by government.  In BC that's the NDP curriculum.

Edited December 27, 2025 by blackbird

[Barquentine]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

In Canada, they tried to take any reference to the God of the Bible out of schools.  At one time, schools had a Bible reading time each day.

Ok. I'll type slowly so you'll understand this time. In Canada everyone is free to follow whatever religion they want!

And again, you want to force the bible down every student's throat!

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Barquentine said:

Ok. I'll type slowly so you'll understand this time. In Canada everyone is free to follow whatever religion they want!

And again, you want to force the bible down every student's throat!

I reworded my post you are referring to and included the BC school  SOGI 123 curriculum. (Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity).  Now that is forcing an ideology down kids throats if anything is.

That is anti-Christian and anti-Bible.  It is destructive to the family structure and destructive to society.

Having a short Bible reading once a day at the start of school never hurt anyone.  It is constructive and makes sense.  It is not forcing anything down anyone's throat.  

Our western society is built on Judeo-Christian principles or values.  That should be the focus in order to protect our family structure and society in general.  It is foolish to try to ignore the God of the Bible in the school system.  Schools are indoctrinating children with radical left / progressive / woke ideology now.

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

In Canada everyone is free to follow whatever religion they want!

Except, schools in Canada brainwash children with their anti-Christian ideology such as the fake theory of evolution and SOGI.

[blackbird]

23 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

In Canada everyone is free to follow whatever religion they want!

And again, you want to force the bible down every student's throat!

Actually the BC NDP is forcing their own ideology down everyone's throat in the school system and calling parents who question it hateful.

The BC Conservatives platform says they will change that.

"

Classrooms for learning, not ideology

Ideology has no place in a classroom, and parents are tired of being called “hateful” by the NDP for asking basic questions about the material that kids are being exposed to. When kids go to school, parents trust and expect the school to provide a quality education in a safe environment – not activist ideology that could send kids down a dangerous path.

Students should be taught how to think, not what to think. To protect kids, restore parental rights, and get schools focused on learning, the Conservative Party of BC will:

Replace SOGI 123 with zero-tolerance anti-bullying programs and supports, which is how SOGI 123 was originally – and falsely – marketed to parents. All students must be genuinely protected from the threat of bullying, and Conservatives will do what it takes to keep kids safe.

Identify and remove lesson plans, seminars, policy guides, curriculum elements, and practices stemming from SOGI 123.

Respect parental rights and protect kids by ensuring that parents are immediately informed of suicidal ideations by their child.

Uplift all kids by ensuring the ideological neutrality of classroom materials, and that kids are made to feel proud about who they are. Education should be about uplifting students into their full potential."

Backgrounder: Excellence in Education - A Learning-First Approach - Conservative Party of BC | Conservative Party of British Columbia

Eliminate the ideology and focus on learning.  Include the basics of our Christian roots from the Bible would help too.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

We let them take over the education system, and they began to indoctrinate students about how Capitalism was evil and Socialism was good.

Why did you let them do that? They forced me to go to free school at Rochdale when I was a kid - they tested me for my psi abilities....they experimented on me...and now you're admitting this was all your fault?  I'd been making a fortune delivering newspapers and raking leaves and shovelling snow before that. I naturally knew working hard and making money was good for me...

And then you people let them abuse me....

I want compensation.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Why did you let them do that? They forced me to go to free school at Rochdale when I was a kid - they tested me for my psi abilities....they experimented on me...and now you're admitting this was all your fault?  I'd been making a fortune delivering newspapers and raking leaves and shovelling snow before that. I naturally knew working hard and making money was good for me...

And then you people let them abuse me....

I want compensation.

I want to find out where these indoctrinated schools are!

 

Oh wait, it's bullsh1t!🙂

[herbie]

it's pretty obvious by the lack of answers to a straightforward question who's trying to shove their ideology down other people's throats.
It's not the secular crowd or the NDP. And the only tie to politics is the desperate populist parties trying desperately to scrape every bit support from even the dregs of humanity.

Also obvious that some people to need ethics brainwashed into them as they can't understand the basics to form it themselves.

[paxamericana]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

Also obvious that some people to need ethics brainwashed into them as they can't understand the basics to form it themselves.

It’s not just ethics that is important , faith is needed also. It’s impossible to know everything; to have tangible evidence as a prerequisite .

 

17 hours ago, blackbird said:

Of course we can determine the existence of God in other ways, as we have discussed. It is thus foolish to say God doesn't exist on the grounds that current scientific method hasn't found him.

I personally came to god through the  undeniable existence of evil. It’s the consequence of free will, good and evil.

It took me a long time to realize that so I tend to not judge others for their own struggles with god. 

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, paxamericana said:

It took me a long time to realize that so I tend to not judge others for their own struggles with god. 

There is a spiritual warfare going on in the world.  It is a struggle between truth and falsehood and between good and evil.  Satan wants to keep as many people brainwashed against God as he can.

What Satan hates is the King James Bible, because it is based on the Received Text or Majority Manuscripts.  The modern versions are a deception and are corrupt.  I have a number of books on this and have been reading about it off and on since the 1980s, and more in recent years. The Lord convinced me the King James Bible is actually God's words, the only Bible in English that is not corrupt.  One of Satan's biggest attacks against the Bible in the past 150 or 200 years has been the introduction of modern corrupt Bibles.

God actually said right in the Bible he would preserve his word forever.  See Psalm 12:6, 7 in the KJV.  Modern versions have perverted that verse.   So I believe the KJV is God's preserved, inerrant word.

It is amazing how many people in the churches in town are deceived about this and simply refuse to investigate or listen.   They think I am crazy.  There are countless articles on it if you Google King James Bible defended Jesus is Savior.   Get the book New Age Bible Versions.

I should mention the modern versions attack the major doctrines concerning the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ, among many other things.  They attack His deity, his shed blood, the resurrection, virgin birth, ascension, and many other important things.  You can read about this in the book "Beyond Versions".  The book is out of print but you can read it online.  Google the website called  Calvary Pandan Bible Presbyterian Church, go to Resources, select books, scroll down to find the book Beyond Versions, a smaller book.  Lots of other interesting books on that page as well.  You can read them right there and download them if you wish.

Jude 3 tells us to earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2025 by blackbird

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I tried doing that in several churches in town by defending the KJV against the modern versions and have been told by church leadership basically to go somewhere else or been told I am stirring trouble and being divisive.

Paul wrote to Titus about the issue of the early church with the pro circumcision Jewish Christian. He asked Titus to rebuke them because they were teaching false doctrine that threatened the core of the gospel. 
 

So while I think you’re absolutely correct about the concerns of heresy, it shouldn’t be discussed in a forum that causes a distraction to the core teaching of the gospel. But yes expect opposition from the enemy.

[John Stone]

No question that there are generational shifts in attitudes toward faith. 

Rather than bemoan  the phenom(?) examine the reasons.

Younger generation are raised in a digital age which by extension provides instant  info  and broad exposure to a society  that is  more mosaic than melting pot.  This type of society is far less inclined to accept religious doctrine and leans more Liberal  than  Conservative. 

Generally and increasingly,  future generations will seek so-called, personal spirituality that aligns with contemporary values like social justice, environmental responsibility and global interconnectedness........... political?

Gone are the days when a  religious ideology could preach, quoting scripture unchallenged.

Political hacks promote, encourage faith for one reason - political leverage - talking to the choir is one way to get their support  in other ways? 

Viktor is no different - I'd agree that he is playing for higher stakes tho - he is in  bed with the devil and his name is Putin! 

On Easter Sunday (last), Putin released a seemingly boilerplate message celebrating Christian 'joy and love" (OMG!). The missive ended with a jarring statement that expressed thanks for the Russian Orthodox Church 'support for the Fatherland'................ in destroying Ukraine.  

 

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

Why did you let them do that? They forced me to go to free school at Rochdale when I was a kid - they tested me for my psi abilities....they experimented on me...and now you're admitting this was all your fault?  I'd been making a fortune delivering newspapers and raking leaves and shovelling snow before that. I naturally knew working hard and making money was good for me...

And then you people let them abuse me....

I want compensation.

How about a free one-way ticket out of Canada to whatever shithole you're most comfortable in?

[paxamericana]

5 hours ago, John Stone said:

more mosaic than melting pot

The danger is tribalism, when it’s my group vs yours 

5 hours ago, John Stone said:

This type of society is far less inclined to accept religious doctrine and leans more Liberal  than  Conservative. 

Classical Liberalism was rooted in the bible, love thy neighbor and give hospitality to strangers. The modern form of liberalism became divorced of worship to the highest good, God. Corrupting it into idolatry. A simple litmus test is if that organization can be identified as a cult of personality.

 

5 hours ago, John Stone said:

On Easter Sunday (last), Putin released a seemingly boilerplate message celebrating Christian 'joy and love" (OMG!). The missive ended with a jarring statement that expressed thanks for the Russian Orthodox Church 'support for the Fatherland'................ in destroying Ukraine

Using God’s name in vain means using God to justify evil. Russian expansionism is rooted in insecurity. They see their neighbors as enemies.
 

Edited December 28, 2025 by paxamericana

[I am Groot]

On 12/27/2025 at 3:07 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I want to find out where these indoctrinated schools are!

 

Oh wait, it's bullsh1t!🙂

You don't really want to find out. Finding out requires reading, and you've often mocked and refused to read anything that's more than a few paragraphs long.

But here. Try these.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/our-universities-ideology-problem

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-education-student-punished-for-questioning-decolonization-sues-uwo

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-woke-teachers-openly-preach-as-common-sense-colleagues-are-silenced

 

[herbie]

They indocrinate you to learn facts instead of blindly accept what Mummy and Daddy and the Nuns want you to believe.

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You don't really want to find out. Finding out requires reading, and you've often mocked and refused to read anything that's more than a few paragraphs long.

But here. Try these.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/our-universities-ideology-problem

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-education-student-punished-for-questioning-decolonization-sues-uwo

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-woke-teachers-openly-preach-as-common-sense-colleagues-are-silenced

 

Paywalled 

...

3 hours ago, herbie said:

They indocrinate you to learn facts instead of blindly accept what Mummy and Daddy and the Nuns want you to believe.

I know anecdotal evidence isn't broadly applicable, but the stuff I read never reflects my experience.

My liberal Toronto, my kids come home singing o Canada and talking about Remembrance Day and how great Canada is...

[blackbird]

quote

Dominik Tarczyński, a member of the European Parliament, has publicly stated that Europe was built on Christian foundations and that the continent should no longer remain silent about its faith heritage.

His remarks reflect a growing pushback against decades of cultural hesitation, where religious identity was often sidelined in favor of political neutrality. Supporters see this as a call to defend values, history, and moral roots rather than erase them.

The statement has sparked renewed debate across Europe about faith, identity, and the role Christianity has played in shaping its civilization.

Source: Public remarks by Dominik Tarczyński, European Parliament. Shared for informational/Educational purpose only.  unquote

This is worth considering since Europe is being swamped by foreigners with different beliefs, to put it mildly.