Canadians Are Already Over Carney

[LinkSoul60]

11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

That's not what i've seen, most of the polls are very close, with some with the cons in the lead...

Huh... looks like you haven't seen/heard for the past couple months  try this;

https://338canada.com/polls.htm

14 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

We also said that when China stab us in the back with there tariffs years ago..."we need to diversify, and yet here we are asking for more deals, instead of cutting them out al together...

I'm thinking they also thought that we stabbed them in the back following the US with 100% tariffs on cars?

We're looking for deals with a number of countries right now and we need to.  Why the problem with the China deal with it helps ag, seafood and auto... and capital investments?

[WestCanMan]

On 12/17/2025 at 11:50 AM, Shady said:

Conservative majority territory already.

These polls don't matter.

The polls that matter are the ones in the last 30 days before the election, because that is when the CBC and CTV will be leaning on them to influence voters.

A conservative lead now just gives them more room to ballyhoo a big swing towards the Libs when they need it most.

We saw in the last election how they were able to pimp Carney as a saviour, the LPoC as a brand new group, and then gloss over all of Carney's lies and just keep saying "Carney is popular, look at the polls". 

If there is an election on Nov 30th this year, then there is a 100% chance that the LPoC will be leading by 5-7% for all of Nov from the 1st to the 27th, and then on the 28th the polls will switch to "Libs up by 1.5%". 

Book it.

If we could bet on polling data, I would make a billion dollars on the next election. 

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

We've been through this many times.  Moral victories are for losers 🫵

you have to say it because you feel like a loser and you want to Make yourself feel better    But I appreciate you suggesting that the liberal victories weren't moral. Certainly I think most people would agree they are somewhat underhanded

However I wasn't referring to the victories or not. You suggested that I was alone in my support of the CPC. I pointed out to you that this wasn't true and now you are for some reason having a bit of an emotional crisis.

And in fact conservative popularity has been high since harper's day. One election it was lower but for the rest of the time going back to about 2004 it's been at or above liberals. So you can't blame all that on Trudeau

And in fact it's been just about even with Carneys for his entire time in office.

Soooooo.... yeah. Not just me kiddo   

[LinkSoul60]

28 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Trump is a business man not a politician, like Carney... and yet trump is proving to be the better opponent....

Correct, Trump has bankrupted 6 of his businesses.

Exactly how is Trump proving to be a better opponent?  

33 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

The majority of Canadians also picked Justin 3 times in a row....does not mean they are right on the 4 th attempt....

Justin left politics and didn't run in the last election

34 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I find a majority of Canadians don't have the basic knowledge of our politics and how it works, or how the nation is run...I'm not any where near an expert, but i can tell you we are not going in a good direction....and it is going to take more than one party to correct it all.

I think the majority of voters have a basic knowledge of our politics, to whatever degree of 'basic' they want to understand or they probably wouldn't be voting. It's perfectly fine and everyone's choice if there isn't an interest or time in their lives to intimately understand our political system.  Most disagree with your comment on the direction we're heading though. We clearly need to expand our international trade and why the focus has been on that since day one.  That's the direction we need right now....and of course get the back to some trade normalcy with the US.

47 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Personally I'm worried for Canada's future...and Canada tearing itself apart over petty things that could or should be easy fixes... 

I'm worried for the world's future, but that's another subject.  Political division and wealth inequality are what's tearing most things apart and I'm not sure which one will be the reason for a reckoning of society...?

[LinkSoul60]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

you have to say it because you feel like a loser and you want to Make yourself feel better    But I appreciate you suggesting that the liberal victories weren't moral. Certainly I think most people would agree they are somewhat underhanded

However I wasn't referring to the victories or not. You suggested that I was alone in my support of the CPC. I pointed out to you that this wasn't true and now you are for some reason having a bit of an emotional crisis.

And in fact conservative popularity has been high since harper's day. One election it was lower but for the rest of the time going back to about 2004 it's been at or above liberals. So you can't blame all that on Trudeau

And in fact it's been just about even with Carneys for his entire time in office.

Soooooo.... yeah. Not just me kiddo   

You've become so used to losing that you've convinced yourself that you're a winner.  Come on kiddo, I know better.

Why would I be having an emotional crisis listening to your bias opinions while being the CPC's biggest cheerleader?  Told you kiddo... it's amusing sometimes.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You've become so used to losing that you've convinced yourself that you're a winner.

 

I'm sure the voices in your head tell you that    You're a liberal, you HAVE to believe strongly in self deception   

But i love that you sit around dreaming up these little fantasies about me    Honestly i don't think about you at all. 

Edited February 26 by CdnFox

[Nationalist]

The carney is already showing his true self. He's a greedy little sh1t who has no idea what hes doing. 

The danger the Conservatives have is Trump...or better stated...the generated specter of Trump. "Elbows Up".

However...as this year progresses, Americans are going to experience an explosion of prosperity. Its already showing. That will become evident to Canadians as well.

IMO...Canada should engage in commerce with anyone who presents a profitable portfolio. But in doing so, Canada needs also make damn sure any relationships are not going to threaten or alter Canadian sovereignty. 

Close the border. Promote large families. Deregulate and go into production on a scale never before undertaken in Canada 

Then...enjoy well deserved prosperity. 

Edited February 26 by Nationalist

[John Stone]

Recent polls give Carney a 70 percent approval  rating,

The Liberals are inching closer to a majority in the House of Commons after   a third Conservative MP crossed the floor.  

Who needs an election? 

[Army Guy]

13 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Huh... looks like you haven't seen/heard for the past couple months  try this;

https://338canada.com/polls.htm

I'm thinking they also thought that we stabbed them in the back following the US with 100% tariffs on cars?

We're looking for deals with a number of countries right now and we need to.  Why the problem with the China deal with it helps ag, seafood and auto... and capital investments?

So we pretty much forgive them for the two Michaels, previous tariffs, being an unreliable trading partner, not to mention a national security threat....and meddling in our elections...In comparison, I'm of the conclusion that it must be alright then to continue our relations with the US, to further our trade, then...We are missing an opportunity to cut China off completely...get a few brownie points from our largest trading partner, and allow more open realistic talks.. when you treat someone like the enemy, don't expect them to treat you with respect except the rhetoric we are getting right now...

[Goddess]

14 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I certainly see Canada having a liberal government for the foreseeable future, but never is a long time.  

They are bringing in 2 million Liberal voters a year and they just introduced legislation that would allow people who live in OTHER countries, who only have a loose association with Canada through a relative, to vote.  They also get all the financial benefits of being a "citizen" without ever having been here or paying into the system.  All of these people are going to vote Liberal, from far off lands, to keep and get MORE benefits, which the Liberals will continue to increase.

It's a vicious cycle.

There is zero chance of anything other than a Liberal government, ever.

Very soon, it won't be Canadians electing our government.  It will be foreigners voting to get money and benefits.

It's not sustainable, but people like you won't stop voting for it, so.......nothing but tax & spend, immigration fanatics forever.

Edited February 26 by Goddess

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

So we pretty much forgive them for the two Michaels, previous tariffs, being an unreliable trading partner, not to mention a national security threat....and meddling in our elections...In comparison, I'm of the conclusion that it must be alright then to continue our relations with the US, to further our trade, then...We are missing an opportunity to cut China off completely...get a few brownie points from our largest trading partner, and allow more open realistic talks.. when you treat someone like the enemy, don't expect them to treat you with respect except the rhetoric we are getting right now...

We have, just like going to India today and forgetting about their governments targeted attacks on Sihk leaders.

We're not in a position to choose to deal with only morally like-minded countries.  Like Carney said....we accept the world for the way it is, not how we wish it to be.

You say cut off China.... which means not selling any oil to them that we do today or cancelling any northern pipeline project discussion.  You're on board for that right 👍

 

[LinkSoul60]

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

They are bringing in 2 million Liberal voters a year and they just introduced legislation that would allow people who live in OTHER countries, who only have a loose association with Canada through a relative, to vote.  They also get all the financial benefits of being a "citizen" without ever having been here or paying into the system.  All of these people are going to vote Liberal, from far off lands, to keep and get MORE benefits, which the Liberals will continue to increase.

It's a vicious cycle.

There is zero chance of anything other than a Liberal government, ever.

Very soon, it won't be Canadians electing our government.  It will be foreigners voting to get money and benefits.

It's not sustainable, but people like you won't stop voting for it, so.......nothing but tax & spend, immigration fanatics forever.

Your fictitious numbers are wildly inaccurate.  We've gone from 484K permanent residents in 2024 to 390K in 2026 and target of 380K in 2026.  Add those together and you still don't get close to the 2M you say we bring in every year.

Foreigners can't vote in our system. Only Canadian citizens can so there goes another theory for you....

You're correct....it wouldn't be sustainable if it were fact.  But alas....

[Army Guy]

13 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Correct, Trump has bankrupted 6 of his businesses.

Exactly how is Trump proving to be a better opponent?  

Justin left politics and didn't run in the last election

I think the majority of voters have a basic knowledge of our politics, to whatever degree of 'basic' they want to understand or they probably wouldn't be voting. It's perfectly fine and everyone's choice if there isn't an interest or time in their lives to intimately understand our political system.  Most disagree with your comment on the direction we're heading though. We clearly need to expand our international trade and why the focus has been on that since day one.  That's the direction we need right now....and of course get the back to some trade normalcy with the US.

I'm worried for the world's future, but that's another subject.  Political division and wealth inequality are what's tearing most things apart and I'm not sure which one will be the reason for a reckoning of society...?

Many billionaire businessmen have gone bankrupt more than once, and yet here he is sitting in the chair of the most powerful nation on the planet....got to count for something...

Carney touted he was the man for the job, to get a deal with trump and solve all of tariff problems...today almost a year later we still no closer to a deal than we were in the election....one could to point out that fact or simply point out most of Europe has already signed deals with trump....and we have not i wonder why that is....and lastly Carney and the media have painted the US as a threat to Canada....every chance they get they poke the US , telling the world the US is no longer a reliable defense partner or trading partner, the list goes on forever....poisoning the well it is what it does...Canada's is in for a major wake up call, if cusma gets canceled, and tariffs hit most of our trade....

Which direction is that i have to ask....one where housing is out of reach of most young couples, where our economy is tanking., how about our health care with people dyeing in waiting rooms, lets not talk about Canada's new record of 100,000 Canadians being killed by Maid...we are considered an unreliable defense partner to most of NATO because we are to cheap...we can't look after our vets properly, we force our soldiers to live in homes built in the 50's while some are without drinkable water, or working toilets, and the working conditions are not much better....but we have tampons in every mens bathrooms....,

Not to mention US is looking at excluding us from 5 Eyes, we have separation groups in almost every province, polls suggest less than 20 % of Canadians would even defend Canada...almost every federal government department is a smoking ruin...our infra structure is crumbling...and what are we doing about all of this suggesting a high speed train from Que to Ont...and plenty of announcements about a energy corridor, but current policies won't allow any new energy projects to be built quickly....So to say our country is heading in the right direction is misleading....Any government would have issues with fixing any of it...but a year in and the major project the liberals promised to build new affordable homes has built 9 to date. hard to be optimistic with that type of record. 

[Army Guy]

12 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

We have, just like going to India today and forgetting about their governments targeted attacks on Sihk leaders.

We're not in a position to choose to deal with only morally like-minded countries.  Like Carney said....we accept the world for the way it is, not how we wish it to be.

You say cut off China.... which means not selling any oil to them that we do today or cancelling any northern pipeline project discussion.  You're on board for that right 👍

 

Well if we are using your logic why are we not dealing more with the US....i mean the world is changing we can't just deal with morally like minded countries....So what is the hold up with getting a deal with the US...

Your not suggesting China is the only customer for oil and LNG, besides i think the northern gate way is a dead issue now, BC does not want it , Carney is not willing to risk pushing it through, first nations does not know what it wants....I think even Alberta is on board with that for now...SO ya cutting China off is the way to go it represents a little more than 3 % of our GDP....were the US represents over 80 %

[Moonbox]

3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Well if we are using your logic why are we not dealing more with the US....i mean the world is changing we can't just deal with morally like minded countries....So what is the hold up with getting a deal with the US...

I this a rhetorical question, or a joke?  I think you know what the answer is...it's orange and shaped like a blob.  

[Goddess]

22 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Only Canadian citizens can so there goes another theory for you....

I work with someone who only has permanent residency.

She received a voting card last election and voted.

[LinkSoul60]

15 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Many billionaire businessmen have gone bankrupt more than once, and yet here he is sitting in the chair of the most powerful nation on the planet....got to count for something...

Yes, he's a master marketer, world class grifter, and there are a lot more uneducated voters in the US that I could have imagined.

18 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Carney touted he was the man for the job, to get a deal with trump and solve all of tariff problems...today almost a year later we still no closer to a deal than we were in the election....one could to point out that fact or simply point out most of Europe has already signed deals with trump....and we have not i wonder why that is....and lastly Carney and the media have painted the US as a threat to Canada....every chance they get they poke the US , telling the world the US is no longer a reliable defense partner or trading partner, the list goes on forever....poisoning the well it is what it does...Canada's is in for a major wake up call, if cusma gets canceled, and tariffs hit most of our trade....

He is the right guy and has handled Trump better than anyone else but not caving to his tariff demands.  Only in your sorry *ss conservatives minds would you think signing a deal just to sign a deal is good. And what's the problem with 'poking the bear' by saying he's an unreliable partner?  Given you were in the military I'm surprised you turtle as easily you do.  And cusma isn't getting canceled or it may come in as a different name but fact is the US needs what we have that has major impacts on their supply chains and cost of living as you see.

24 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Which direction is that i have to ask....one where housing is out of reach of most young couples, where our economy is tanking., how about our health care with people dyeing in waiting rooms, lets not talk about Canada's new record of 100,000 Canadians being killed by Maid...we are considered an unreliable defense partner to most of NATO because we are to cheap...we can't look after our vets properly, we force our soldiers to live in homes built in the 50's while some are without drinkable water, or working toilets, and the working conditions are not much better....but we have tampons in every mens bathrooms....,

Not sure where you went with that rant.... I'm aware of housing challenges, aware of health care challenges, and aware of MAID which BTW isn't 'killing' someone, it's "medically assisting" a person who is terminal.  Yes, we were considered a NATO failure for our lack of funding but that's changed.  I wasn't aware that we should be buying homes for vets?  Like most, they're service was very much appreciated but we're not responsible for their financial well-being in pertuity. 

31 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Not to mention US is looking at excluding us from 5 Eyes, we have separation groups in almost every province, polls suggest less than 20 % of Canadians would even defend Canada...almost every federal government department is a smoking ruin...our infra structure is crumbling...and what are we doing about all of this suggesting a high speed train from Que to Ont...and plenty of announcements about a energy corridor, but current policies won't allow any new energy projects to be built quickly....So to say our country is heading in the right direction is misleading....Any government would have issues with fixing any of it...but a year in and the major project the liberals promised to build new affordable homes has built 9 to date. hard to be optimistic with that type of record. 

You seem to believe everything you hear...if of course it suits your right point of view.  We've had separation groups in Quebec for decades and now we have a bunch of id*ots in Alberta who are very similar to you sad-sacks in the daily complaining in crying so they want to take their blankets and go....where? Otherwise, same old song and crying dance.... whatever.

[Army Guy]

16 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I this a rhetorical question, or a joke?  I think you know what the answer is...it's orange and shaped like a blob.  

If we can forgive India for killing Canadians in Canada, then China for the Michaels and their unforgiving tariffs, and election interference....but some how you can't see doing more trade with our biggest trading partner...because of trump and what he said, cause words cause harm today i guess.......It has already been stated we can't do just trade with morally equal partners any more, if that's true we should have no problem with trading with trump........and whether you like it or not....we are always going to trade with the US ,we don't have a choice...

[LinkSoul60]

15 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I work with someone who only has permanent residency.

She received a voting card last election and voted.

Then she made a contribution to a registered party.  Only way she can vote is she's a permanent resident.

[LinkSoul60]

38 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Well if we are using your logic why are we not dealing more with the US....i mean the world is changing we can't just deal with morally like minded countries....So what is the hold up with getting a deal with the US...

What are you talking about "we're not dealing more with the US".... haven't you been paying attention?   What's the hold up in getting a deal with the US...?  None of us know but common sense tells you there isn't a deal on the table we're comfortable with.

41 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Your not suggesting China is the only customer for oil and LNG, besides i think the northern gate way is a dead issue now, BC does not want it , Carney is not willing to risk pushing it through, first nations does not know what it wants....I think even Alberta is on board with that for now...SO ya cutting China off is the way to go it represents a little more than 3 % of our GDP....were the US represents over 80 %

I'm suggesting that you and other crying blanket conversations have a problem with ag, seafood and auto agreements with a communist nation but no problem with oil.  You folks need to get your rationalizations aligned more with common sense.

Nobody has suggested we discontinue trade with the US because simply, we can't.  Virtually everyone though understands the need to expand our trading relationships.  China and India....bring em on in the calculated manner Carney spoke about.

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yes, he's a master marketer, world class grifter, and there are a lot more uneducated voters in the US that I could have imagined.

He is the right guy and has handled Trump better than anyone else but not caving to his tariff demands.  Only in your sorry *ss conservatives minds would you think signing a deal just to sign a deal is good. And what's the problem with 'poking the bear' by saying he's an unreliable partner?  Given you were in the military I'm surprised you turtle as easily you do.  And cusma isn't getting canceled or it may come in as a different name but fact is the US needs what we have that has major impacts on their supply chains and cost of living as you see.

Not sure where you went with that rant.... I'm aware of housing challenges, aware of health care challenges, and aware of MAID which BTW isn't 'killing' someone, it's "medically assisting" a person who is terminal.  Yes, we were considered a NATO failure for our lack of funding but that's changed.  I wasn't aware that we should be buying homes for vets?  Like most, they're service was very much appreciated but we're not responsible for their financial well-being in pertuity. 

You seem to believe everything you hear...if of course it suits your right point of view.  We've had separation groups in Quebec for decades and now we have a bunch of id*ots in Alberta who are very similar to you sad-sacks in the daily complaining in crying so they want to take their blankets and go....where? Otherwise, same old song and crying dance.... whatever.

Had to chuckle because i think the same way only with people who voted left...

Where is the proof of that, so far there have not been any results that would point to your comment....Everyday Canada gets further way from any deal...and I'm pretty sure Cusma is going to be redone before any tariffs deal is reached...IF there is a Cusma at all... DO you insult the car dealer when trying to buy a car, expecting to get a good deal....is that what your suggesting...it is not working out well. You can call it what ever you like , but i see it as reality...Canada needs the US far more than they need us, and what ever we are offering the US it can get it else where....

The rant was to your response that you don't like my assessment of Canada not going in the right direction...when it clearly is not....

Did not mention buying homes for vets, but providing the same benefits as regular Canadians receive would be nice, things like mental health care, and physical injuries care would be nice...then treating our serving soldiers with some dignity would also be nice, some are living in military homes that lack potable drinking water or working toilets, some of the infra structure were they work in is also the same, having to leave your home to go to a public bathroom is not exactly what i call looking after our soldiers.. Not every one one the MAID list is terminal, a women was approved for maid because she could not find an apartment that fit her allergy requirements, a man with diabetes type I was approved, there are many other cases in the media that are not terminal...plus the fact you don't need to be terminal to qualify...

You should do some research on the topic, it might surprise you...and while you might think they are wingnuts, it does prove we are not as united as we think we are....and the divisions are not all based on separation aspirations, they are based on age, wealth, language, religion, color, creed, vaccinated, non vaccinated, the list goes on and on....In the end...the question should be why are so many Canadians not united.... 

 

 

 

[Army Guy]

13 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What are you talking about "we're not dealing more with the US".... haven't you been paying attention?   What's the hold up in getting a deal with the US...?  None of us know but common sense tells you there isn't a deal on the table we're comfortable with.

I'm suggesting that you and other crying blanket conversations have a problem with ag, seafood and auto agreements with a communist nation but no problem with oil.  You folks need to get your rationalizations aligned more with common sense.

Nobody has suggested we discontinue trade with the US because simply, we can't.  Virtually everyone though understands the need to expand our trading relationships.  China and India....bring em on in the calculated manner Carney spoke about.

And there is not going to be a deal unless Carney agrees to compromise on things like Canada sacred goose... dairy cartels....amongst other things....and when time runs out and Cusma is beginning to be redone, there may not be a CUSMA that we know of now...with the US just saying take it or leave it....The US is in the driver and passenger seat, Canada is at the back of the bus....So as long as pride is preventing us for being at the table....we should look at what it could cost us in the long run...

AG and sea food were the only things that had Chinese tariffs on.....the Canadian auto sector does not want any Chinese EV in Canada....why would we bring in new competition to a already struggle industry...Like i said before those industries could sell their products to other nations no problem....And i have said very clearly cut off China altogether, including oil...plenty of other Asian countries would take our oil and gas...

Your not been listening to Carneys message, when he says we need to diversify our trade away from the US as they are no longer reliable....The deal is already there....we just need to stop our rhetoric and compromise....but that's not going to happen, and eventually Carney is going to have to admit he is not the man he made himself to be... 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

Recent polls give Carney a 70 percent approval  rating,

The Liberals are inching closer to a majority in the House of Commons after   a third Conservative MP crossed the floor.  

Who needs an election? 

He does.  He doesn't have enough floor crossers and at this point anyone who hasn't probably won't.  Even the latest one was actually a retred from last year. 

And ne knows that as he fails to deliver, his approval will go down. It has already gone down every single month since he got elected. Sure he got a bump after davos but this won't last long as the problems continue.  By the fall he'll be facing increased pressure and by next spring he will probably be underwater in the polls. 

So he wants an election now while he's still popular. He won't get the chance to give a speech at davos every month 

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

And there is not going to be a deal unless Carney agrees to compromise on things like Canada sacred goose... dairy cartels....amongst other things....and when time runs out and Cusma is beginning to be redone, there may not be a CUSMA that we know of now...with the US just saying take it or leave it....The US is in the driver and passenger seat, Canada is at the back of the bus....So as long as pride is preventing us for being at the table....we should look at what it could cost us in the long run...

Who knows if there will be some sort of compromise with dairy?  That's the way deal work though....give a bit and take a bit from each other so it's fair and in the interest of both sides.  Pride isn't preventing any deals, good trade and business practice is.  Why do you continue to ignore the impact it's having on the US?  

[Moonbox]

3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

If we can forgive India for killing Canadians in Canada, then China for the Michaels and their unforgiving tariffs, and election interference....but some how you can't see doing more trade with our biggest trading partner.

The problem is that we rely too much on trade with the US, and Trump and his clown circus are using that as a weapon against us. The imperative now is to diversify so that we have other options and can't be bullied as easily. 

In the past we could rely on the USA as an ally and a good-faith partner in trade.  The idea that they'd turn adversarial this quickly never even crossed our minds.  Trump's a bad-faith negotiator and making concessions to him only leads to further demands of concessions.  According to him, the trade deals with Canada and Mexico are terrible, and it's like he expects everyone to forget that he was the primary author of that deal.