Canadians Are Already Over Carney

[LinkSoul60]

8 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

G and sea food were the only things that had Chinese tariffs on.....the Canadian auto sector does not want any Chinese EV in Canada....why would we bring in new competition to a already struggle industry...Like i said before those industries could sell their products to other nations no problem....And i have said very clearly cut off China altogether, including oil...plenty of other Asian countries would take our oil and gas...

I disagree.  If someone can find a quality and affordable EV for under $35K they will.  You are aware that Chinese vehicles are sold in Canada today right?   And why would we bring Chinese EV's in while industry struggles...?  Maybe start looking at why the industry is struggling....  And no, you don't stop dealing with the worlds second largest, and likely soon to be largest economy.

12 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Your not been listening to Carneys message, when he says we need to diversify our trade away from the US as they are no longer reliable....The deal is already there....we just need to stop our rhetoric and compromise....but that's not going to happen, and eventually Carney is going to have to admit he is not the man he made himself to be... 

You're banging your head off the same spot on the wall over and over....   There is no deal there that makes sense for Canada.  That's common sense and very obvious.  And time to lose your Carney schtick.  If Poilievre had 1/10th of Carney's acumen you'd be calling him the second coming of christ.  

Funny enough I'm listening to little Pierre talk history in Toronto right now and the sad-sack can't even say Trump's name!  Time for him to stop cow-towing to his Maga-minded base and go away....  The guy is a failure.

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Who knows if there will be some sort of compromise with dairy?  That's the way deal work though....give a bit and take a bit from each other so it's fair and in the interest of both sides.  Pride isn't preventing any deals, good trade and business practice is.  Why do you continue to ignore the impact it's having on the US?  

That's not the way this deal is going to work. Carney has already been on the program where we give a bit, then we give a bit more, then we give some stuff. We get nothing

This deal is going to be very similar. It's going to be a question of what we give up. We probably won't get a single thing.

The best we can hope for is he doesn't take everything and Carney will claim that that's a victory. It is not.

[LinkSoul60]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's not the way this deal is going to work. Carney has already been on the program where we give a bit, then we give a bit more, then we give some stuff. We get nothing

This deal is going to be very similar. It's going to be a question of what we give up. We probably won't get a single thing.

The best we can hope for is he doesn't take everything and Carney will claim that that's a victory. It is not.

It's always great to hear your uneducated blatantly bias opinions.  

Your bartering at the drive-thru window over a pop and fries doesn't qualify you to understand trade negotiations. 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Who knows if there will be some sort of compromise with dairy?  

Carney has said a few times that there would be no compromises made involving the dairy industry.

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Goddess said:

Carney has said a few times that there would be no compromises made involving the dairy industry this is no time to stand up to Quebec's BS - they have too may MP's - so the rest of Canada has to continue to suck it.

Fixed it

[LinkSoul60]

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Carney has said a few times that there would be no compromises made involving the dairy industry.

Then maybe there won't be any changes in that sector?   The negotiations get easier every day anyway with Trump feeling the pressure at home from the SCOTUS, congress, business leaders and voters.

[Goddess]

26 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Then maybe there won't be any changes in that sector?   The negotiations get easier every day anyway with Trump feeling the pressure at home from the SCOTUS, congress, business leaders and voters.

I don't know if you saw my post about Chobani yogurt, but protecting these business cartels works against Canadian citizens and our economy.  Both parties have catered to them and introduced legislation that benefits them and is a detriment to citizens.

I, for one, don't like that we likely will not get a trade deal with the US so billionaires can get richer.  Carney clearly does not have the cojones to stand up to them, so I doubt he has the cojones to stand up to Trump or anybody else.  He will not be doing what is best for Canadians.

Edited February 26 by Goddess

[John Stone]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

He does.  He doesn't have enough floor crossers and at this point anyone who hasn't probably won't.  Even the latest one was actually a retred from last year. 

And ne knows that as he fails to deliver, his approval will go down. It has already gone down every single month since he got elected. Sure he got a bump after davos but this won't last long as the problems continue.  By the fall he'll be facing increased pressure and by next spring he will probably be underwater in the polls. 

So he wants an election now while he's still popular. He won't get the chance to give a speech at davos every month 

Recent polls give Carney a net favorable rating of +22-23 pts - strong personal approval rating. 

However - CUSME is the next main event - depending on Carney's performance will likely dictate his future calculus....

[LinkSoul60]

12 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I don't know if you saw my post about Chobani yogurt, but protecting these business cartels works against Canadian citizens and our economy.  Both parties have catered to them and introduced legislation that benefits them and is a detriment to citizens.

I, for one, don't like that we likely will not get a trade deal with the US so billionaires can get richer.  Carney clearly does not have the cojones to stand up to them, so I doubt he has the cojones to stand up to Trump or anybody else.  He will not be doing what is best for Canadians.

No, I didn't see your yogurt post and honestly don't know enough of the dairy supply chain management system to comment if or where any possible concessions can/should be made.   

You're being far way too dramatic to think we won't get a deal with the US.  Of course we will because the US also have too much to lose if they don't.  Carney is negotiating with an utter child right now which is not difficult to see and understand, but I do find it amusing you'd say he doesn't have the b*lls to stand up to Trump when he's essentially been the only world leader who has.  Otherwise we'd have a deal right now don't you think...?  He'll get a deal when it's the right one. Whether that benefits Canadian's or Brookfields share price remains to be seen but there will be an agreement at some point.

[Goddess]

36 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

No, I didn't see your yogurt post and honestly don't know enough of the dairy supply chain management system to comment if or where any possible concessions can/should be made.   

I didn't know much either until recently with all this trade stuff going on.

Canada lost the Chobani yogurt business because of the dairy cartel.  And Chobani is currently expanding its facilities and adding another 1000 employees.  In the US.  They buy a large portion of milk produced in New Jersey, as well.

There are basically 5 cartels in Canada and much of our economy is based on keeping them happy, which I agree with to an extent.

Here's a brief overview by Cosmin Dzsurdzsa that I posted here somewhere recently.  It's worth a boo.

Canada as a nation is not particularly difficult to understand if you spend even a small amount of time thinking about how the system actually operates and I think the Americans are starting to catch on.

It goes like this: Canadian governments exist, to varying degrees, largely as protectionist rackets with the sole purpose of preserving a series of entrenched industry monopolies and cartels. These cartels are largely dominated by a small number of old, moneyed family dynasties (the Rogers and Shaws in telecommunications, the Irvings in oil and shipbuilding, the Westons in food retail, and many others). For simplicity’s sake, I’ll refer to these powerful, dynamic industry groups as “The Cartels” going forward.

This is the basic operating theory of Canadian politics. Once you understand it, almost everything else begins to make sense.

Nearly every sticking point in Canada’s ongoing USMCA trade disputes with the United States can be understood through this lens (more on that shortly). First, it’s worth exploring the broader implications of this operating theory.

The implication is that virtually every piece of legislation, every policy choice made by the government-of-the-day, and every trade relationship is viewed internally as a zero-sum game: net gains or net losses for The Cartels. The public interest is often secondary and incidental.

Canadian governments win or lose elections and sometimes tear themselves apart based on how well they balance the sometimes competing interests of The Cartels. Some of The Cartels are more closely aligned with Conservative governments, others with Liberal ones. But the most powerful and deeply entrenched of The Cartels almost always emerge unscathed, regardless of which party is in power.

By far, the Liberal party, often self-indulgently described by Canada’s Laurentian elites as the country’s “natural governing party” has proven the most adept at protecting cartel interests.

The Liberals excel at this game because they understand how to obscure the underlying reality: that laws and decisions are made primarily to protect monopolies, by wrapping those decisions in branding that appeals to Canadian identity, culture, sentimentality, or phoney nationalism. Take dairy as a clear example.

For those unaware, dairy and other agricultural goods in Canada are determined by a supply management system, essentially a central planning system where bureaucrats determine quotas, supply and dictate pricing. Supply management has been a persistent flashpoint in USMCA negotiations. U.S. President Donald Trump has personally called out Canada’s

"250% tax"

on dairy products, and American negotiators have repeatedly pushed to put dairy access on the table, much to Ottawa’s chagrin.

Why won’t Ottawa budge?

The answer is simple: the dairy cartel. Within Canada, and especially within Conservative circles, much has already been said about the outsized political influence of the dairy cartel across both major federal parties. Anyone who witnessed the 2017 Conservative Party of Canada leadership race will quickly see how radioactive this issue became (but that is a separate can of worms best left unopened here). What matters is that the dairy cartel is not merely influential; it is legally entrenched. Entire statutory frameworks and government bodies exist, namely the Farm Products Agencies Act and the Canadian Dairy Commission, solely to serve their interests. This is cartel behaviour, formalized by law.

Now consider the Digital Services Act. As recently as yesterday, U.S. Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick explicitly

raised this issue

while speaking at the World Economic Forum, calling out Canada’s insistence on taxing U.S. digital products. What’s notable is that opposition to Canada’s digital taxes has been bipartisan in the United States. Even the former U.S. trade representative under Democratic President Joe Biden, Katherine Tai, expressed frustration with Ottawa’s approach and

requested dispute settlement

over this issue. On this particular tax, Canada has retreated and recently

rescinded the tax.

But the question remains: why did Canada fight tooth and nail under threat of tariffs and consequences to preserve this tax? Because of the media and telecommunications cartel.

The Digital Services Act is only one iteration of an entire web of legislation and trade policy designed to preserve the media/telecoms cartel. The Digital Services Act, the Online Streaming Act, and the Online News Act are all part of the same architecture. These laws are the reason Canadians can no longer access news on Facebook to this day. The media/telecom cartel, organized through lobbying groups such as News Media Canada, successfully pushed these measures through under the guise of fairness and cultural protection. But the underlying reason is far less flattering: Canada’s legacy media sector cannot compete with American firms due to chronic deficiencies in talent, innovation, scale, and human capital. Without protection, subsidization, and forced revenue transfers, the system collapses. The reason I highlight dairy and media/telecom specifically is not only because they are central to Canada’s trade disputes with the United States, but because they illustrate how effectively the Canadian government has sold these protectionist regimes to voters. Supply management is framed as a patriotic necessity. Canadians are told that dairy farmers must dump

millions of litres of milk

down the drain each year to meet quota targets because Canadian dairy is inherently superior to American dairy. Media subsidies and telecom monopolies are justified as essential to preserving culture, heritage, and a disingenuous "Canadian nationalism." Any appeal to preserving Canadian sovereignty should at this point be considered an appeal to preserving the system of The Cartel I have just laid out for you. These narratives work. They ensured compliance. And it certainly helps that Canada’s media ecosystem itself is thoroughly monopolized (a point I have addressed at length

elsewhere

). So you see, the system is actually quite simple. The same logic applies to many of Canada’s most questionable laws and trade practices. And to return to my original point: I think Americans are beginning to understand this faster than Ottawa likes to think. For years, Canada’s Laurentian elite appeared to believe they had successfully hoodwinked their American “partners”, that the U.S. was asleep at the wheel while Canada quietly enriched The Cartels and hardened their monopolies, all with a sense of duper's delight. Unfortunately for them, the giant is awake and it’s not falling for the tricks anymore.

[LinkSoul60]

12 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I didn't know much either until recently with all this trade stuff going on.

Canada lost the Chobani yogurt business because of the dairy cartel.  And Chobani is currently expanding its facilities and adding another 1000 employees.  In the US.  They buy a large portion of milk produced in New Jersey, as well.

There are basically 5 cartels in Canada and much of our economy is based on keeping them happy, which I agree with to an extent.

Here's a brief overview by Cosmin Dzsurdzsa that I posted here somewhere recently.  It's worth a boo.

Canada as a nation is not particularly difficult to understand if you spend even a small amount of time thinking about how the system actually operates and I think the Americans are starting to catch on.

It goes like this: Canadian governments exist, to varying degrees, largely as protectionist rackets with the sole purpose of preserving a series of entrenched industry monopolies and cartels. These cartels are largely dominated by a small number of old, moneyed family dynasties (the Rogers and Shaws in telecommunications, the Irvings in oil and shipbuilding, the Westons in food retail, and many others). For simplicity’s sake, I’ll refer to these powerful, dynamic industry groups as “The Cartels” going forward.

This is the basic operating theory of Canadian politics. Once you understand it, almost everything else begins to make sense.

Nearly every sticking point in Canada’s ongoing USMCA trade disputes with the United States can be understood through this lens (more on that shortly). First, it’s worth exploring the broader implications of this operating theory.

The implication is that virtually every piece of legislation, every policy choice made by the government-of-the-day, and every trade relationship is viewed internally as a zero-sum game: net gains or net losses for The Cartels. The public interest is often secondary and incidental.

Canadian governments win or lose elections and sometimes tear themselves apart based on how well they balance the sometimes competing interests of The Cartels. Some of The Cartels are more closely aligned with Conservative governments, others with Liberal ones. But the most powerful and deeply entrenched of The Cartels almost always emerge unscathed, regardless of which party is in power.

By far, the Liberal party, often self-indulgently described by Canada’s Laurentian elites as the country’s “natural governing party” has proven the most adept at protecting cartel interests.

The Liberals excel at this game because they understand how to obscure the underlying reality: that laws and decisions are made primarily to protect monopolies, by wrapping those decisions in branding that appeals to Canadian identity, culture, sentimentality, or phoney nationalism. Take dairy as a clear example.

For those unaware, dairy and other agricultural goods in Canada are determined by a supply management system, essentially a central planning system where bureaucrats determine quotas, supply and dictate pricing. Supply management has been a persistent flashpoint in USMCA negotiations. U.S. President Donald Trump has personally called out Canada’s

"250% tax"

on dairy products, and American negotiators have repeatedly pushed to put dairy access on the table, much to Ottawa’s chagrin.

Why won’t Ottawa budge?

The answer is simple: the dairy cartel. Within Canada, and especially within Conservative circles, much has already been said about the outsized political influence of the dairy cartel across both major federal parties. Anyone who witnessed the 2017 Conservative Party of Canada leadership race will quickly see how radioactive this issue became (but that is a separate can of worms best left unopened here). What matters is that the dairy cartel is not merely influential; it is legally entrenched. Entire statutory frameworks and government bodies exist, namely the Farm Products Agencies Act and the Canadian Dairy Commission, solely to serve their interests. This is cartel behaviour, formalized by law.

Now consider the Digital Services Act. As recently as yesterday, U.S. Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick explicitly

raised this issue

while speaking at the World Economic Forum, calling out Canada’s insistence on taxing U.S. digital products. What’s notable is that opposition to Canada’s digital taxes has been bipartisan in the United States. Even the former U.S. trade representative under Democratic President Joe Biden, Katherine Tai, expressed frustration with Ottawa’s approach and

requested dispute settlement

over this issue. On this particular tax, Canada has retreated and recently

rescinded the tax.

But the question remains: why did Canada fight tooth and nail under threat of tariffs and consequences to preserve this tax? Because of the media and telecommunications cartel.

The Digital Services Act is only one iteration of an entire web of legislation and trade policy designed to preserve the media/telecoms cartel. The Digital Services Act, the Online Streaming Act, and the Online News Act are all part of the same architecture. These laws are the reason Canadians can no longer access news on Facebook to this day. The media/telecom cartel, organized through lobbying groups such as News Media Canada, successfully pushed these measures through under the guise of fairness and cultural protection. But the underlying reason is far less flattering: Canada’s legacy media sector cannot compete with American firms due to chronic deficiencies in talent, innovation, scale, and human capital. Without protection, subsidization, and forced revenue transfers, the system collapses. The reason I highlight dairy and media/telecom specifically is not only because they are central to Canada’s trade disputes with the United States, but because they illustrate how effectively the Canadian government has sold these protectionist regimes to voters. Supply management is framed as a patriotic necessity. Canadians are told that dairy farmers must dump

millions of litres of milk

down the drain each year to meet quota targets because Canadian dairy is inherently superior to American dairy. Media subsidies and telecom monopolies are justified as essential to preserving culture, heritage, and a disingenuous "Canadian nationalism." Any appeal to preserving Canadian sovereignty should at this point be considered an appeal to preserving the system of The Cartel I have just laid out for you. These narratives work. They ensured compliance. And it certainly helps that Canada’s media ecosystem itself is thoroughly monopolized (a point I have addressed at length

elsewhere

). So you see, the system is actually quite simple. The same logic applies to many of Canada’s most questionable laws and trade practices. And to return to my original point: I think Americans are beginning to understand this faster than Ottawa likes to think. For years, Canada’s Laurentian elite appeared to believe they had successfully hoodwinked their American “partners”, that the U.S. was asleep at the wheel while Canada quietly enriched The Cartels and hardened their monopolies, all with a sense of duper's delight. Unfortunately for them, the giant is awake and it’s not falling for the tricks anymore.

Beyond the obvious bias of this right-wing voice box, he's saying we're trying to protect industries in the same way the US and every other country tries to be protectionists in given sectors of their economies.  Help me understand why we should not be trying to protect industries that employ 10's to 100's of thousands of Canadian jobs?

I'm scratching my head though on the comment of Lutnick at the WEF and gripe with the DST.  We rescinded that in June of last year...  Also seems that his bias towards liberals won't let him comment of on other US sticking points like auto, lumber and steel/aluminum.  I'm guessing that's because we have no 'wealthy Canadian elite' who own easily recognized national companies in those sectors that he can use as liberals trying to protect them.

I lose my interest real quickly when I hear/see comments like 'we do this for the Laurentian elite' but totally lost my interest with this clowns verbiage when he said 'any appeal to preserving Canadian sovereignty should at this point be considered an appeal to preserving the system of the cartel'.  He's a right-wing clown with little to add other than his based opinion...

 

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Beyond the obvious bias of this right-wing voice box,

OK.

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Who knows if there will be some sort of compromise with dairy?  That's the way deal work though....give a bit and take a bit from each other so it's fair and in the interest of both sides.  Pride isn't preventing any deals, good trade and business practice is.  Why do you continue to ignore the impact it's having on the US?  

Right now there is nothing on the table becasue the US knows it has the upper hand is in no rush to offer anything new, we have not address the original points as of yet, what we have done is make them out to be the enemy and attacked them with any chance we have...This summer is going to be critical for Cusma...the US is going to make us pay for all these little jabs, trump does not forget anything...And right now pride is what is holding us back....as soon as dairy gets mentioned they automatic answer is nope....

I never said this is not impacting on the US...but when your economy is 15 times the size of ours which one is going to fail first....Canada need US trade, US can suffer a much bigger hit without serious damage...Why is it you can't see this point we can not win a huge trade war with the worlds largest economy....

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Beyond the obvious bias of this right-wing voice box,

OK.

I see now you are one of *those* Liberal supporters.

It doesn't matter how much they f*&k everything up, you will defend them to the death.  You agree with letting rapists and pedos loose on our streets.  You want higher & higher taxes, more & more immigration, no industry in Canada.

Got it.

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The problem is that we rely too much on trade with the US, and Trump and his clown circus are using that as a weapon against us. The imperative now is to diversify so that we have other options and can't be bullied as easily. 

In the past we could rely on the USA as an ally and a good-faith partner in trade.  The idea that they'd turn adversarial this quickly never even crossed our minds.  Trump's a bad-faith negotiator and making concessions to him only leads to further demands of concessions.  According to him, the trade deals with Canada and Mexico are terrible, and it's like he expects everyone to forget that he was the primary author of that deal.  

I get this, whole diversification issue, past governments said the same thing once China imposed huge tariffs, and kidnaped two Michaels, it was all the rage, back in the day when we adhere to our moral values....today we deal with whom ever we can....tomorrow we will be in a different spot, and trade with the US will increase and we will view this as a glitch in US history...

By the time we even get to diversification with other countries Trump will be in the history books and we will be once again BFF with the US...it would take decades to even drop 10-20 % of that trade to others...not going to happen...we know how to deal with trump this is not the first rodeo, stroke his ego, play nice, Carney had been doing all that during his visits to the white house, but like Justin once back in the hood, the remarks start that inflame trump.... Trump is the elephant in the room, and we are the mouse....

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, Goddess said:

OK.

I see now you are one of *those* Liberal supporters.

It doesn't matter how much they f*&k everything up, you will defend them to the death.  You agree with letting rapists and pedos loose on our streets.  You want higher & higher taxes, more & more immigration, no industry in Canada.

Got it.

Yeah, I'm one of 'those' people that let obviously bias views go in one ear and out the other. 

Don't be one of 'those' complainers and cryers saying I support rapists and pedo's.  When and where have I ever even commented on either, or for that matter higher taxes, more immigration or any industry in Canada?  I'll humour you now though... I have zero sympathy for rapists and even less so for pedo's and couldn't care less about their so-called rights. I'm in the position now in life that I'd willing pay more taxes if I knew the tax dollars were being used wisely and for the intended purposes, I defer to the provincial and federal governments to level set immigration numbers to need, and I am very much pro-industry.  See, I'm one of 'those' liberal supporters.

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'm one of 'those' people that let obviously bias views go in one ear and out the other.

But not when it's Liberal biased.

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I have zero sympathy for rapists and even less so for pedo's and couldn't care less about their so-called rights.

 

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I am very much pro-industry.

If any of that were true, you'd vote against Liberal policies.  But you don't.

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I disagree.  If someone can find a quality and affordable EV for under $35K they will.  You are aware that Chinese vehicles are sold in Canada today right?   And why would we bring Chinese EV's in while industry struggles...?  Maybe start looking at why the industry is struggling....  And no, you don't stop dealing with the worlds second largest, and likely soon to be largest economy.

You're banging your head off the same spot on the wall over and over....   There is no deal there that makes sense for Canada.  That's common sense and very obvious.  And time to lose your Carney schtick.  If Poilievre had 1/10th of Carney's acumen you'd be calling him the second coming of christ.  

Funny enough I'm listening to little Pierre talk history in Toronto right now and the sad-sack can't even say Trump's name!  Time for him to stop cow-towing to his Maga-minded base and go away....  The guy is a failure.

Yes lots of Chinese stuff on the market...your point is what ? I can tell you why it is struggling, North America can not compete with Chinese wages or standards...And if that's all your worried about is cheap stuff, and saving a few bucks....we could apply that reasoning to all Canadian manufacturing...Steel , aluminum everything can be built or produced much more cheaply...It is all about Canadian jobs ....or is it....on one hand it is OK for Canadians to get access to cheap Chinese stuff, but when it comes to government equipment it must provide Canadian jobs, and act as trough  for Canadian industry...

US has told us to pick a side, or face consequences....we are walking a very fine line....That second largest economy only represent 3 % of our GDP.....SO ya we could replace that in a few years....

There is going to be consequences for no deal...and there won't be a deal unless Canada makes the first concessions...but as it stands right now that is not going to happen....i wonder how common sense and very obvious taste..... I don't have any carney schtick...he has not done anything to disprove any of it...I've already said i do like a lot of carneys promises...but so far talk is cheap...he has delivered what exactly....I've asked the question to dozens get the same answer every time, nothing but crickets...

Time will tell who is the failure... 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's always great to hear your uneducated blatantly bias opinions.  

 

LOL that's what you say when you know you're losing and can't refute the point  

I accept your surrender and hope your therapist can help you get over it   

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Your bartering at the drive-thru window over a pop and fries doesn't qualify you to understand trade negotiations. 

Amusingly, it would leave me MORE qualified than Carney, who has done neither in his life (you don't bargain or go through drive-thrus when you've got million-dollar expense accounts after all).  

Fact is you know i'm right and you're frustrated. You should learn to deal with it better. 

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

Recent polls give Carney a net favorable rating of +22-23 pts - strong personal approval rating. 

However - CUSME is the next main event - depending on Carney's performance will likely dictate his future calculus....

Unless he manages to get an election in. If he goes to the polls now before CUSMA becomes a thing then even if he loses horribly he'll still be in power for 4 years with a majority. By then people will forgot. That is the current liberal thinking

[LinkSoul60]

19 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Right now there is nothing on the table becasue the US knows it has the upper hand is in no rush to offer anything new, we have not address the original points as of yet, what we have done is make them out to be the enemy and attacked them with any chance we have...This summer is going to be critical for Cusma...the US is going to make us pay for all these little jabs, trump does not forget anything...And right now pride is what is holding us back....as soon as dairy gets mentioned they automatic answer is nope....

You're rather naive to believe that nothing is on the table right now.  My guess is that table is absolutely full of talking points.  Brilliant thought thinking that the US has the upper hand...  Think it might have to do with an economy that is 10+ times larger than ours?  You wouldn't be a good negotiator at all.  Your chicken little instincts would be a dead give-away and not end up well for you.  It's called negotiations and it will get done when it's right for both countries....not just one.

25 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I never said this is not impacting on the US...but when your economy is 15 times the size of ours which one is going to fail first....Canada need US trade, US can suffer a much bigger hit without serious damage...Why is it you can't see this point we can not win a huge trade war with the worlds largest economy....

You don't get it do you...  It's not about winning a 'huge trade war', it's about securing a win/win deal for both countries.  Why can't you understand that?  I said it yesterday... I'm in that 70% of Canadian's who have no problem at all with the status of these negotiations and have no problem whatsoever with Carney pushing the envelope until he secures the best deal we can get.  It's called negotiating....

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yeah, I'm one of 'those' people that let obviously bias views go in one ear and out the other. 

 

You are the absolute worst for letting left-wing bias stick in your brain like super glue. What you mean to say is that you dismiss everything that isn't part of your confirmation bias as being right-wing bias because it doesn't agree with you and you just simply don't pay attention to anything that doesn't agree with you

Maybe you should try focusing on facts and reason

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL that's what you say when you know you're losing and can't refute the point

You'v never had a valid point.  What's with all the emoji faces?

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Amusingly, it would leave me MORE qualified than Carney, who has done neither in his life (you don't bargain or go through drive-thrus when you've got million-dollar expense accounts after all).

What happens in the real world escapes you doesn't it.  Million-dollar expense accounts....where and in whose world?  I don't think David Solomon or Bruce Flatt would agree with you on either the Carney or expense account comments.

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Unless he manages to get an election in. If he goes to the polls now before CUSMA becomes a thing then even if he loses horribly he'll still be in power for 4 years with a majority. By then people will forgot. That is the current liberal thinking

I have no idea what you tried to say there but you're noticeably under-qualified to be using the words 'think or thinking'.

[LinkSoul60]

17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

But not when it's Liberal biased.

 

If any of that were true, you'd vote against Liberal policies.  But you don't.

I've told you how I've voted.  Why and how could I possibly vote for a career politician who enjoyed playing the Maga-like schtick (until it didn't work), has zero practical experience in the real world, and has a penchant for being uncooperative with an affinity for fancy slogans.  No thanks....

[LinkSoul60]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You are the absolute worst for letting left-wing bias stick in your brain like super glue. What you mean to say is that you dismiss everything that isn't part of your confirmation bias as being right-wing bias because it doesn't agree with you and you just simply don't pay attention to anything that doesn't agree with you

Maybe you should try focusing on facts and reason

You're a bitter little guy with all the losing your Conservative Party has had aren't you....  It's a democracy we live in with each person entitled to vote for whomever they choose.  The difference here is that I voted for the party/person who won the election while you voted for the party/person who lost, yet again and you're bitter and can't stop crying  Damn that's funny.... 😂

[Moonbox]

52 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I get this, whole diversification issue, past governments said the same thing once China imposed huge tariffs, and kidnaped two Michaels, it was all the rage, back in the day when we adhere to our moral values....today we deal with whom ever we can....tomorrow we will be in a different spot, and trade with the US will increase and we will view this as a glitch in US history...

No, tomorrow we will not be in a different spot.  Two Trump presidencies in the last 10 years have underlined how unreliable the USA is as a partner.  Trump is unreasonable and impossible to negotiate with in good faith, but he still needed +40% of the population to enable him.  

The collapse of American credibility under Trump is what's leading the world (not just Canada) towards countries like China.  Nobody is naive enough to think China is a benevolent partner, but at least it's predictable and doesn't set policy based on the fickle temperament of the world's biggest man-baby.  Uncertainty is the bane of business investment.  

Edited February 26 by Moonbox