Army Guy Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said: That's the chatter but I still think they'll be another conservative or two coming across the aisle. Combine that with upcoming by-elections that should be liberal and maybe not a need for another election. Either way, it appears he's going to be the guy for the foreseeable future so best get used to it. Hopefully it is chatter, but i would not put it past him if his polls improve to take that route... Time will tell, I'm sure that if more cross they may be another review....maybe, but conservatives are happy with PP so who knows... Canada is in a tough spot now, and what it needs is leadership, and for it to take some action on a truck load of issues that need solving now, not next year or the year after , that was Justin's bag of tricks kick it down the road let someone else look after it...Carney has already let year one tick by...if we do go to the polls people are going to be second guessing their choices....Liberals are well past their due date....and are showing they are not up for the task....banker or not...And to be honest i do like a lot of carneys promises, not as much as PP, but for the first time in a long time they were promising.......but I've been disappointed by liberals far to many times...Regardless of party lines, Canada needs true leadership, and it needs someone that can take action in a timely fashion...And i don't see that in the liberals at this time... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 11 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: That's the chatter but I still think they'll be another conservative or two coming across the aisle. Combine that with upcoming by-elections that should be liberal and maybe not a need for another election. Either way, it appears he's going to be the guy for the foreseeable future so best get used to it. Actually even those numbers don't add up. If he wins all of the by-elections which is unlikely because the Quebec one is very likely to go against him he will still have to put up a speaker of the house unless he can talk another party into doing that role for him. Which means he needs at least one more floor across her just to be sort of breaking even and there are so many ways that that can fall apart on you that I don't think he would consider it a majority. I think he would need to get at least three more Floor crossers. And honestly I don't think he's going to get them, I think anyone that was going to leave is probably already done so. Even the latest floor Crosser is actually just a retread from last year. And I don't think he's going to get one from any of the other parties even though he's trying them just as hard And he won't know about the by-elections until the spring session is almost over and that's very dangerous. It will be hard to call an election at that point without looking like you were the one who is doing it unnecessarily Not to mention that for several reasons every single term in office a number of people have to quit their job as MP for one reason or another, and it just wouldn't leave him a safety net at all If he can pull it off he's going to call an election this spring and try and secure a majority. The only thing holding him back will be whether or not it looks like it's his fault and the public turns on him Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
LinkSoul60 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Hopefully it is chatter, but i would not put it past him if his polls improve to take that route... Time will tell, I'm sure that if more cross they may be another review....maybe, but conservatives are happy with PP so who knows... Canada is in a tough spot now, and what it needs is leadership, and for it to take some action on a truck load of issues that need solving now, not next year or the year after , that was Justin's bag of tricks kick it down the road let someone else look after it...Carney has already let year one tick by...if we do go to the polls people are going to be second guessing their choices....Liberals are well past their due date....and are showing they are not up for the task....banker or not...And to be honest i do like a lot of carneys promises, not as much as PP, but for the first time in a long time they were promising.......but I've been disappointed by liberals far to many times...Regardless of party lines, Canada needs true leadership, and it needs someone that can take action in a timely fashion...And i don't see that in the liberals at this time... The poll numbers are there right now with double digit leads throughout most. The problem is election fatigue and cost associated with them. You're right. Canada is in a tough spot given we've relied on proximity and relationship with the US for decades and obviously never imagined someone like Trump coming along. Easy to say now but our bad on that one... To your comment.... we have leadership now that the majority of people approve of. Interesting times though.... Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 14 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Actually even those numbers don't add up. If he wins all of the by-elections which is unlikely because the Quebec one is very likely to go against him he will still have to put up a speaker of the house unless he can talk another party into doing that role for him. Which means he needs at least one more floor across her just to be sort of breaking even and there are so many ways that that can fall apart on you that I don't think he would consider it a majority. I think he would need to get at least three more Floor crossers. And honestly I don't think he's going to get them, I think anyone that was going to leave is probably already done so. Even the latest floor Crosser is actually just a retread from last year. And I don't think he's going to get one from any of the other parties even though he's trying them just as hard And he won't know about the by-elections until the spring session is almost over and that's very dangerous. It will be hard to call an election at that point without looking like you were the one who is doing it unnecessarily Not to mention that for several reasons every single term in office a number of people have to quit their job as MP for one reason or another, and it just wouldn't leave him a safety net at all If he can pull it off he's going to call an election this spring and try and secure a majority. The only thing holding him back will be whether or not it looks like it's his fault and the public turns on him As long as Trump is in office Carney's going to get majority support from the electorate and the longer Poilievre hangs around the more likely to see more floor crossers. Disagree.... NDP MP's will be interesting to watch as well if some don't like/can't work with (Avi Lewis) whomever is nominated party leader. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: The poll numbers are there right now with double digit leads throughout most. The problem is election fatigue and cost associated with them. You're right. Canada is in a tough spot given we've relied on proximity and relationship with the US for decades and obviously never imagined someone like Trump coming along. Easy to say now but our bad on that one... To your comment.... we have leadership now that the majority of people approve of. Interesting times though.... We had leadership that the majority of people approved of at this point in Trudeau's time in office. How'd that work out for us. You can tell after a year how somebody's going to perform and whether or not they have what it takes to do the job. It may not be perfect but you generally have an idea. Carney can't get the job done. But he's really good at making excuses and 'selling" himself. That shine will eventually wear off as it did with trudeau The concern is how much more damage will we have by then? Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: As long as Trump is in office Carney's going to get majority support from the electorate and the longer Poilievre hangs around the more likely to see more floor crossers. The first part has some truth but the last part does not. And even then, people will get sick of the 'threat' of trump. You can scare children with the monster under the bed so long before they grow up. I suspect trump is going to get his wings clipped a bit in the midterms and it won't be long till both dems and republicans are looking to the next election and wanting to appeal to the people. And the people don't want war with Canada. The threat will diminish, and cusma will probably be over and have ended badly by the end of this year. Trump will have other things to worry about other than canada and people will look around and realize they can't afford food or housing. Starting in fall 2026 carney is going to have a tougher and tougher time of it, and he knows it. Which is why he wants to go now if at all possible. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Goddess Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Not to mention that for several reasons every single term in office a number of people have to quit their job as MP for one reason or another, and it just wouldn't leave him a safety net at all Some Canadians and even Liberal MP's, are getting tired of the incompetence. Diab's performance at committee meetings is eye-watering. She knows next to nothing about her portfolio and cannot answer basic questions. EDIT: Sorry I forgot the link: Where is Canada's immigration minister? Community groups are asking 'She is completely absent' Reichhold said he has never managed to speak directly with Diab, despite repeatedly asking to meet following her swearing-in last May. "I have seen 14 immigration ministers come and go, and it is truly surprising. We are really astonished that she is completely absent," Reichhold said. Radio-Canada spoke with five other organizations that criticized Diab's availability. Away from the cameras, 10 Liberal MPs spoke to Radio-Canada about her performance. They were granted confidentiality in order to express themselves freely. Of those, only one defended Diab's job performance. Although several of them emphasized that she is a "good person" in charge of a "difficult" portfolio, nine MPs said they believe that the minister is overwhelmed and are openly questioning her place at the cabinet table. "It doesn't make sense. In the House of Commons, many MPs hold their breath when she answers questions from the opposition," said one Liberal elected official. "We're afraid she'll put her foot in her mouth." Edited February 25 by Goddess Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
CdnFox Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 21 minutes ago, Goddess said: Some Canadians and even Liberal MP's, are getting tired of the incompetence. Diab's performance at committee meetings is eye-watering. She knows next to nothing about her portfolio and cannot answer basic questions. EDIT: Sorry I forgot the link: Where is Canada's immigration minister? Community groups are asking 'She is completely absent' Reichhold said he has never managed to speak directly with Diab, despite repeatedly asking to meet following her swearing-in last May. "I have seen 14 immigration ministers come and go, and it is truly surprising. We are really astonished that she is completely absent," Reichhold said. Radio-Canada spoke with five other organizations that criticized Diab's availability. Away from the cameras, 10 Liberal MPs spoke to Radio-Canada about her performance. They were granted confidentiality in order to express themselves freely. Of those, only one defended Diab's job performance. Although several of them emphasized that she is a "good person" in charge of a "difficult" portfolio, nine MPs said they believe that the minister is overwhelmed and are openly questioning her place at the cabinet table. "It doesn't make sense. In the House of Commons, many MPs hold their breath when she answers questions from the opposition," said one Liberal elected official. "We're afraid she'll put her foot in her mouth." This just gets worse for them. This is what happens when you hire a bunch of bankers to run a government. For some reason liberals decided this was the same thing and it is absolutely nothing close to the same thing. Things will go a little smoother for them as they move forward but they're still not going to be resolving the economic problems. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: You'll be voting for the liberals as you always do. That's who you support You're not here everyday standing up for the NDP I'm here laughing at the silly criticisms you people throw at whoever and whatever when you stand up for the Conservatives. If they could see the success you people have at attracting supporters to their cause they'd probably tell you to shut-up. It's like everyone of you is a Randy White and the internet is polluted with you. It's just free advertising and they can't win for you losers. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 1 minute ago, eyeball said: I'm here laughing at the silly criticisms you people throw at whoever and whatever when you stand up for the Conservatives. If they could see the success you people have at attracting supporters to their cause they'd probably tell you to shut-up. It's like everyone of you is a Randy White and the internet is polluted with you. It's just free advertising and they can't win for you losers. You're doing no such thing. You defend them desperately to the point of stupidity. It's obvious that there's no humor in it for you you just can't stand to see somebody level legitimate criticisms against the liberals And this is very much like you. You support the terrorists and their killing of children and women but then when you're called on it you turn around and try and claim you don't and then go right back to doing exactly the same thing. You do the same thing with the liberals. You spend 24 hours a day that you're here defending the liberals no matter what. Like I say I never hear you defending the NDP or any of the other parties that much And you like constantly. Kind of a giveaway Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Goddess Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 18 minutes ago, CdnFox said: This just gets worse for them. This is what happens when you hire a bunch of bankers to run a government. For some reason liberals decided this was the same thing and it is absolutely nothing close to the same thing. Things will go a little smoother for them as they move forward but they're still not going to be resolving the economic problems. The international press often comments on Joly's incompetence and obvious word salads that reflect no real knowledge of her portfolio. But Canadian media - not a peep. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 I kind of get it - Carney is stuck with whoever the apathetic electorate votes in. But, jeez..... Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
eyeball Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 20 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Like I say I never hear you defending the NDP or any of the other parties that much Why would you? I've made it pretty clear several times I have next to no use for political parties at all. They're not in the constitution nor should they be, no more than a PM. All I really hear from you people is an endless defence of an aspect of our governance that belongs in a dumpster. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Goddess Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 Utter incompetence - across the board. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
LinkSoul60 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Actually even those numbers don't add up. If he wins all of the by-elections which is unlikely because the Quebec one is very likely to go against him he will still have to put up a speaker of the house unless he can talk another party into doing that role for him. Which means he needs at least one more floor across her just to be sort of breaking even and there are so many ways that that can fall apart on you that I don't think he would consider it a majority. I think he would need to get at least three more Floor crossers. And honestly I don't think he's going to get them, I think anyone that was going to leave is probably already done so. Even the latest floor Crosser is actually just a retread from last year. And I don't think he's going to get one from any of the other parties even though he's trying them just as hard And he won't know about the by-elections until the spring session is almost over and that's very dangerous. It will be hard to call an election at that point without looking like you were the one who is doing it unnecessarily Not to mention that for several reasons every single term in office a number of people have to quit their job as MP for one reason or another, and it just wouldn't leave him a safety net at all If he can pull it off he's going to call an election this spring and try and secure a majority. The only thing holding him back will be whether or not it looks like it's his fault and the public turns on him Do you ever feel beat down at all with your continual defence of the perpetual second place party and its failed leader? Quote
Goddess Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 Diab, Minister of Immigration: "Terrorists have the right to be Canadian citizens." Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
CdnFox Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 13 minutes ago, eyeball said: Why would you? No reason at all, you're a liberal after all Quote I've made it pretty clear several times I have next to no use for political parties at all. They're not in the constitution nor should they be, no more than a PM. If that were the case you wouldn't' spend all your time defending the libs. Quote All I really hear from you people is an endless defence of an aspect of our governance that belongs in a dumpster. ???? Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Goddess Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
CdnFox Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 47 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Do you ever feel beat down at all with your continual defence of the perpetual second place party and its failed leader? No. Kinda disappointed in the low iq of many fellow canadians tho For the previous two elecitons conservatives got more of the vote than the libs did, and drove justin lower and lower. There's no doubt that carney and feeland's planned torpedoing of justin and take over was brilliant politics, if slimy. But one thing i do know, and the states is seeing it, is that sooner or later the pendulum swings. And the longer that takes the farther back it swings the other way. The day will come, and then it'll be time for payback. Just don't cry when we get there Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
LinkSoul60 Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 20 minutes ago, CdnFox said: No. Kinda disappointed in the low iq of many fellow canadians tho For the previous two elecitons conservatives got more of the vote than the libs did, and drove justin lower and lower. There's no doubt that carney and feeland's planned torpedoing of justin and take over was brilliant politics, if slimy. But one thing i do know, and the states is seeing it, is that sooner or later the pendulum swings. And the longer that takes the farther back it swings the other way. The day will come, and then it'll be time for payback. Just don't cry when we get there So everyone else is wrong, just not you.... Of course the day will come (?) when we have a conservative government but that's going to be a long way down the road. After Poilievre resigns or gets the Trudeau treatment in the next little while maybe the CPC will find someone that is half qualified and likeable (Jason Kenny?). Hang in there.... 😂 Quote
Goddess Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 36 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Of course the day will come (?) when we have a conservative government There will never be another government in Canada other than Liberal. Mark my words. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
CdnFox Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 40 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: So everyone else is wrong, just not you. Well if by "everyone else" you mean the majority of canadians who voted against the libearls in the previous two elections and the almost same number that voted for carney in this one yes. Math isn't your thing is it 42 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Of course the day will come (?) when we have a conservative government but that's going to be a long way down the road. we'll see. And i don't think you'll like it when it happens. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
LinkSoul60 Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 18 minutes ago, Goddess said: There will never be another government in Canada other than Liberal. Mark my words. I certainly see Canada having a liberal government for the foreseeable future, but never is a long time. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: The poll numbers are there right now with double digit leads throughout most. The problem is election fatigue and cost associated with them. You're right. Canada is in a tough spot given we've relied on proximity and relationship with the US for decades and obviously never imagined someone like Trump coming along. Easy to say now but our bad on that one... To your comment.... we have leadership now that the majority of people approve of. Interesting times though.... That's not what i've seen, most of the polls are very close, with some with the cons in the lead...I'll try and find them, later. It is a gamble, one that could give Carney a majority or a loss...it why it is a gamble....he has already proven he is gambling with the crossovers...and his putting out to pasture several of the old guard. We also said that when China stab us in the back with there tariffs years ago..."we need to diversify, and yet here we are asking for more deals, instead of cutting them out al together...and replacing their input into our GDP with Europe or Asia...Trump is a business man not a politician, like Carney... and yet trump is proving to be the better opponent.... Sorry once again, The majority of Canadians also picked Justin 3 times in a row....does not mean they are right on the 4 th attempt....I find a majority of Canadians don't have the basic knowledge of our politics and how it works, or how the nation is run...I'm not any where near an expert, but i can tell you we are not going in a good direction....and it is going to take more than one party to correct it all. Personally I'm worried for Canada's future...and Canada tearing itself apart over petty things that could or should be easy fixes... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 18 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Well if by "everyone else" you mean the majority of canadians who voted against the libearls in the previous two elections and the almost same number that voted for carney in this one yes. Math isn't your thing is it We've been through this many times. Moral victories are for losers 🫵 You can thank Trudeau's extended car wreck for that, not conservative popularity. But come on... Carney's first foray into politics and he erases what was supposedly an insurmountable 27% poll deficit to become PM 😂 Not sure if that spoke more to Carney or Poilievre but doesn't matter... 27 minutes ago, CdnFox said: And i don't think you'll like it when it happens. Never know. I've told you I'm not a supporter of any party so when the time comes I may well like whomever that may be. Quote
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