Why should we hate Nazis?

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

By not being ret4rded.

What Mexicans are refugees? 

Doesn't matter where they came from.  Only a proper refugee screening process can determine who meets the criteria of a refugee according to the U.N. protocols on refugees.  So what gives you the right to say anyone from Mexico can't be a refugee?  You should know there are areas in Mexico that are controlled by the Mexican cartels and are dangerous places to live.  There could be many people who are in danger and fleeing from gangs.

[blackbird]

57 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Also, nobody should be able to stay in a country if they undermine the longterm interests and safety of the citizens of that country. 

Maybe but are you qualified to say who is a refugee and who can't stay?  If a country signed onto the U.N. convention and protocols on refugees, they are bound to follow that process. Ordinary Joe Blows on the street like you and me are not the ones who make those determinations of who is a refugee under the convention.  If you want to be able to make those kind of decisions, you better become qualified and get on the government bodies that make those decisions.  

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Even Gordian himself would be overwhelmed with the task at hand.

Is that a reference to the gordian knot?

You know how they solve that right? Alexander just took out his sword and cut it in half and pointed out that sometimes brute force is the easiest way to solve a problem. He went on to fulfill the prophecy too

So maybe here tough love is the correct answer and the simplest solution is simply to deport the effers and just get on with life

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

The left pushes a narrative that they do that, but what they actually do is set up gov't programs that they use as cash cows for themselves and their cronies. 

They do both.   The left is feminine.   They want to help and mother and take care of people.  Sometimes people genuinely need help.  But sometimes they also create government dependents in the process instead of encouraging them to look after themselves.  They take away their independence and create dependence.  Like an adult child living in his parents' basement.  Look at how we've treated indigenous peoples.

Adults who are incapable of providing basic needs for themselves either suffer from a severe disability or need to be helped to show how to look after themselves.   Essentially they are treated like dependents until they can become independent.  If they refuse society's help, too bad.

[User]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The treaty the US signs says all countries MUST admit anyone claiming asylum and give them a hearing. The problem is that today A) millions are falsely claiming asylum and b) the lawyers have made the process so complex and time-consuming that people are able to stay for years while waiting for their claims to be adjudicated.

The UN charter on refugees is a thing of a different age and is no longer fit for purpose. Western nations should renouce it and write something new. 

Yeah... but the details on the treaty the US ratified are being followed today. 

Folks can show up and claim asylum, and the US has standards they apply to determine the merits of that claim, quickly process those folks right back out when they can't show credible cause for fear. If they can, they can be quickly processed through immigration court and then deported when they can't back that up, and if they enter unlawfully and don't promptly report to some place then we don't have to presume they have a credible claim and can expedite their removal. 

Folks like @blackbird try to dishonestly make it seem like anyone can show up anywhere anytime, stay here for 20 years illegally, and just because they say "asylum" then the US can't deport them, ever, no matter what. 

That isn't how it works. 
 

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Maybe but are you qualified to say who is a refugee and who can't stay? 

Yes. Those who the Americans deem unworthy and wish to throw out are not a refugee and can't stay. That's how you can tell. They get to define it

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If a country signed onto the U.N. convention and protocols on refugees, they are bound to follow that process.

But that process is so poorly defined that literally any process will do. If they show up they can literally say 'we're not accepting people right now, are you people? "  and there, they've had a hearing. 

Think i'm wrong? Have you seen ANY complaints about this lodged by the United Nations? 

No? Not one?

Seems the UN thinks you're wrong.' End of story. 

[User]

41 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Maybe but are you qualified to say who is a refugee and who can't stay?  If a country signed onto the U.N. convention and protocols on refugees, they are bound to follow that process. Ordinary Joe Blows on the street like you and me are not the ones who make those determinations of who is a refugee under the convention.  If you want to be able to make those kind of decisions, you better become qualified and get on the government bodies that make those decisions.  

The US is following the process. You just don't like it. Too bad, so sad. Go complain to your Canadian government about why they are not letting the entire worlds population in. 

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

They do both.   The left is feminine.   They want to help and mother and take care of people. 

The left are losers. They will happily see people dead if they disagree with them. They're not feminine, how is it womanly to dance in the streets publicly because a medical company executive got shot? How is it nurturing to be angry over the fact that the guy who shot at trump missed?

The left is irrational, the left is ideologically driven, and the left is anything but feminine. The left is a coalition of mental health issues

And you've been a lot more on the left recently than you have on the right that's for sure

1 minute ago, User said:

 Go complain to your Canadian government about why they are not letting the entire worlds population in. 

 

I swear to god i'm going to pay a diseased hooker to roll around if your bedsheets if you keep that up! 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Id1ot.

Like I said, GFYS you worthless POS. 

[WestCanMan]

49 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Doesn't matter where they came from.  Only a proper refugee screening process can determine who meets the criteria of a refugee according to the U.N. protocols on refugees.  So what gives you the right to say anyone from Mexico can't be a refugee?  You should know there are areas in Mexico that are controlled by the Mexican cartels and are dangerous places to live.  There could be many people who are in danger and fleeing from gangs.

Stop pretending. 

You know as well as I do that, some of the beautiful families who come across the border are just there for a "better life", the dregs of society also come across, and it's less than 20% of them that even have a remotely realistic refugee claim.

[WestCanMan]

12 minutes ago, User said:

Folks like @blackbird try to dishonestly make it seem like anyone can show up anywhere anytime, stay here for 20 years illegally, and just because they say "asylum" then the US can't deport them, ever, no matter what. 

That isn't how it works. 
 

It's the CNN version of how it works. That's gospel for some. 

[eyeball]

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Is that a reference to the gordian knot?

You know how they solve that right?

Yes I realize brute force was Gordian's solution which I also clearly implied won't work in our case.

Even Gordian himself would be overwhelmed with the task at hand.

There'll still be lots and lots of brute force being applied but it won't be out of any sort of love.

Nor will it solve anything.

Edited August 17, 2025 by eyeball

[blackbird]

26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

40 minutes ago, User said:

Folks like @blackbird try to dishonestly make it seem like anyone can show up anywhere anytime, stay here for 20 years illegally, and just because they say "asylum" then the US can't deport them, ever, no matter what. 

That isn't how it works. 
 

It's the CNN version of how it works. That's gospel for some. 

You folks are lying.  That's not what I said.   I made it clear that a deportation process must be according to international law and conventions that protect the human rights of people.  Not just arresting, incarerating in inhumane conditions, and deporting people to meet some kind of quota ordered by the Trump admin.   Obviously you don't believe in a fair and just process that respects human rights.  We will have to agree to disagree.  

[User]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You folks are lying.  That's not what I said.   I made it clear that a deportation process must be according to international law and conventions that protect the human rights of people.  Not just arresting, incarerating in inhumane conditions, and deporting people to meet some kind of quota ordered by the Trump admin.   Obviously you don't believe in a fair and just process that respects human rights.  We will have to agree to disagree.  

So... again, where is this law not being followed?

That "quota" is nothing more than a target for how many people here ILLEGALLY should be deported. Just because you have goals to enforce the law, doesn't mean it is not following the law. 

Your notion of "inhumane" is based on what?

You can't offer any facts, logic, or reason. It is just BS emotion. 

 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Like I said, GFYS you worthless POS. 

Look. I have no problem with people being critical of some of the things the government did during Covid, they probably deserve some of it. But worse than Nazis? If you actually believe that, you are an id!ot. Either that or incredibly ignorant.

Edited August 17, 2025 by Aristides

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The left are losers. They will happily see people dead if they disagree with them. They're not feminine, how is it womanly to dance in the streets publicly because a medical company executive got shot? How is it nurturing to be angry over the fact that the guy who shot at trump missed?

Those are just a-holes.  A-hole is a non-partisan issue LOL.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And you've been a lot more on the left recently than you have on the right that's for sure

When I post on forums with mostly lefties they call me conservative.   When i post on forums with mostly conservatives they call me a lefty.  So basically if you disagree with someone they assume you're some caricature that's their complete opposite.

Trumpsters, PP'sters, and progressives believe lots of wrong things so someone has to point it out.  That doesn't mean all of what they believe is garbage.  A broken clock is right twice a day!  BAHAHA!

[blackbird]

Premier Ford said recently that the Federal government needs to give migrants or refugees work papers much sooner.  Apparently it takes a year or more and in the meantime, taxpayers are supporting them.  That adds up to a lot of money.  But we know Liberals don't care about taxpayer money.  That's why we are going deeper into debt.  If they gave them work permits, a lot of them could find jobs and support themselves.

[blackbird]

On 8/8/2025 at 2:25 PM, gatomontes99 said:

And? 

Where's the respect for individual human rights?  There is none or not much.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Where's the respect for individual human rights?  There is none or not much.

Those individual humans collectively violated our rights as a sovereign nation. Why do you thinknthey should be a protected class and our citizens should be forced to be victims? 

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, User said:

Folks can show up and claim asylum, and the US has standards they apply to determine the merits of that claim, quickly process those folks right back out when they can't show credible cause for fear. If they can, they can be quickly processed

The US government does not process ANYTHING quickly. Nor does ours. The lawyers and judges and their ponderously slow, creaking system takes years to render any sort of decision on asylum claims.

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, it's western conservative right-wingers that the left feels Muslims need to be protected from.

Well, yes, because the Left has joined hands with the Islamists and will keep bringing them here in exchange for their votes and 'protecting them' from conservatives until the Muslims have sufficient numbers to put you up against a wall and kill you.

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

I mean, you freaking people used comic books to justify attacking Iraq and killing up to half a million people outright by some estimates and nearly another half a million indirectly.

Meh. Iraq was always going to be a bloody mess. Most of those killed were killed by Iraqis. What would have happened there after Hussain died would have been a massive civil war and slaughter of epic proportions. They got that anyway, of course, but with tens of thousands of US troops acting as police.

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

We're as bad as terrorists Stalinists and Nazis according to you people

What are you even talking about? Have you forgotten you're in Canada? Canadian conservatives don't portray you as Stalinists and Nazis, just utterly incompetent nihilists who hate yourselves and all other members of Western civilization who are White.

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

Why is that? Why not progressives here in the west? Isn't that a much bigger more fundamental problem?

Are you forgetting that's what we're discussing, the alignment of the Left with Islam, and their willingness to completely ignore all the things about Islam that they despise and fear about Nazis? You and they both hate Western civilization and want to take it down. The difference is that the Left has some vague, amorphous idea of replacing it with some utopia where everyone thinks and acts like they do, and the Muslims want an Islamic state and will kill anyone who gets in their way. Starting with the Left, ironically.

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

They do both.   The left is feminine.   They want to help and mother and take care of people.  Sometimes people genuinely need help.  But sometimes they also create government dependents in the process instead of encouraging them to look after themselves.  They take away their independence and create dependence.  Like an adult child living in his parents' basement.  Look at how we've treated indigenous peoples.

Thomas Sowell makes an excellent case for how American Blacks were rapidly progressing and catching up to Whites until the introduction of the welfare state. Then, due to various rules like less money if there was a man in the house, Black families fell apart and produced a culture where two-thirds of black kids are born to single mothers and absentee fathers, which has led to generations of fatherless boys without discipline fighting and shooting it out in the inner cities.

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

Premier Ford said recently that the Federal government needs to give migrants or refugees work papers much sooner.  Apparently it takes a year or more and in the meantime, taxpayers are supporting them.  That adds up to a lot of money.  But we know Liberals don't care about taxpayer money.  That's why we are going deeper into debt.  If they gave them work permits, a lot of them could find jobs and support themselves.

It takes four years to get your initial hearing now once you ask for asylum. Yes, it takes a year to get the paperwork done for a work permit - assuming they actually work. Most don't. They have no real job skills applicable to Canada's economy, poor or no command of English/French, and no understanding of local culture or customs. Huge numbers of asylum applicants never find work (or don't try) and will live here on welfare their entire lives. They do learn how to game the system, you see. For example, Somali men have a higher employment rate during their first five years here than in their second five years. Why? Because they figure out that they don't need to work.

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's the CNN version of how it works. That's gospel for some. 

Uh, no, that's the FOX version of how it works. It's how they get people riled up.

The CNN version is that people come, make their claims, those claims are quickly and calmly adjudicated, and then they are dismissed or approved and the individual leaves or stays depending on that decision.

In reality, of course, people come, work, wait years for a decision, and if it goes against them, they simply disappear into the background. Same as in Canada. So I'd say the FOX version is closer to reality, especially if you include all those who never make a claim but just sneak in.

Edited August 17, 2025 by I am Groot

[Venandi]

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

Apparently it takes a year or more and in the meantime, taxpayers are supporting them. 

All part of taking in the equivalent of four cities the size of Thunder Bay a year without the slightest preparation and thought given to infrastructure/support. We have more than enough landmass for that but at every turn we lack the supporting infrastructure to pull it off. It's one of those "what did you think was going to happen" questions and sthe solution isn't to continue making it worse. Given our intake so far this year (132,000 landed immigrants from Jan to Apr), we're on track for another 4 cities in 2025.

You could take any single aspect of the resources needed to support the intake and run a full thread on it. If considered in isolation, our health care system will require a full decade to fix and that's only if we start today and go to a wartime effort.

We haven't even started to start yet, this gets worse before it gets better. I always hoped that MAID wouldn't be expanded... I'm now absolutely confidant that it will be. Not only that, the people now opposed to it will come to support it out of desperation and the lack of options.

I see no progress being made to suggest otherwise

 

Edited August 17, 2025 by Venandi