Why should we hate Nazis?

[blackbird]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I honestly don't care about the fate of criminals. I fully expect that if I snuck across the border into the US I would get sent home. 

I wouldn't whine and snivel to try and make the case that they needed to keep me. 

Refugees are not criminals.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Refugees are not criminals.

They are if they entered the country without lawful permission.

I posted that for you. Sorry to break it to you, but if somebody entered the country illegally then they are to refugee. The refugees are by definition according to the American law people outside the united states with special exceptions allowed

If they show up at a port of entry and declare that they are refugees or seek asylum then they may be granted permission to enter the us but that's not what we're talking about here. These are people who never had permission or whose permission expired and they are no longer refugees

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

These are people who never had permission or whose permission expired and they are no longer refugees

You better study the U.N. refugee protocols of 1951 and 1967.  

A refugee remains a refugee after they arrive in a country regardless how they get in.  You are not qualified either to say who is one or who is not.

[CdnFox]

44 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You better study the U.N. refugee protocols of 1951 and 1967.  

 

I'm really sorry buddy but it doesn't say what you think it says.

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A refugee remains a refugee after they arrive in a country regardless how they get in.  You are not qualified either to say who is one or who is not.

No, they don't unless they have received the property documentation to be there. That's all spelled out in American law.

I posted that for you. You got this weird habit of caring a great deal about any legal document that you think supports your position whether it does or it doesn't and then blissfully ignoring anything that refutes your position even if it's directly from the government.

These cases have already gone to court and not one of them stood up to the argument that their refugees.

You are just plain Wrong. I get that you think you're right but you are not right. These people have no legal right to be in the country and can be deported no problem. If they want they can still reply for refugee status or citizenship or anything they want outside of the country

The democrats went way too far and allowing these people to come in and stay. Now trump is going in the other direction and having a zero tolerance policy.

I feel for some of these people because Biden and Obama LED them to believe that even though it might not be lawful they could stay and nobody was going to do anything about it. But that was not true and they were misled and that's a shame but that's where we're at

You have tried to claim that there was no due process, we have proven to you that there is due process. He tried to claim that their refugees and can't be removed, they are absolutely not refugees and they absolutely can be removed. Which is why this is happening

And you insist that they should be allowed to break the law and all that is being said is that the law must be upheld which as a christian you should be supporting. And I do mean real laws, not imaginary ones in your head

 

That's really all there is to this. It's a shame that these people didn't realize that there would be consequences for their crimes but there is and they are now experiencing that

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, Moonbox said:

While you could reasonably argue that recent western governments have not done enough to screen immigrants in general, or even that specifically from Muslim countries, that's galaxies away from the same thing as supporting or embracing "Islamisism", and certainly not Nazism as you proposed.  

They've done nothing. Muslims are pouring into Western countries, COMPLETELY against the will of their people, and yet leftist governments are standing in the doorway, holding it wide, eagerly waving them in. People are starting to riot in places like Ireland, the UK, Spain, and Belgium, but their leftist governments keep bringing in more Muslims, who are also starting to riot. By every measurement, economic or social, Muslims are a disaster in the West. They don't integrate. Their loyalty is to each other and not whatever nation they're in, they have very high levels of unemployment, social service use, and commit a lot more crime, especially sexual crimes, and still leftist governments keep bringing them in. That's because to the Left, the Muslim is the most holy of all victims and must be protected regardless of the damage to their own countries or even their own parties.

15 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Islam is just a religion bud. 

Don't be a fool. It's a militant ideology. It comes complete with a legal code for both family and criminal law, and a style of government. No other 'religion' has so many adherents swearing that it will encompass the world, or that they won't stop fighting until it does. No other religion gives its followers carte blanche to attack any land ruled by unbelievers, or to attack unbelievers.

15 hours ago, Moonbox said:

It's no more or less deserving of criticism than any other.

Oh, don't be a dolt. There have been tens of thousands of terrorist attacks all over the world in the name of Islam and how many in the name of Buddha or Jesus? If you go and burn a bible will a Christian find you and cut off your head? If you write a mocking play about Mormons, will a Mormon Bishop call for your death? 

15 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Medieval or fundamentalist/authoritarian Islamist countries are certainly deserving of criticism, but guess what?  It gets criticized all of the time.

How many times has the UN denounced Iran or Saudi Arabia compared to Israel? How many womens/feminist groups ever bring up the treatment of women under Islam? They couldn't even bring themselves to criticize the mass rape of Israeli girls and women on Oct 7 because Islam and Muslims are beyond criticism. They are the holy victims to the Left, no matter what they do. Want to make the national news and get the attention of the prime minister? Pull on a Muslim girl's hijab. 

Edited August 15, 2025 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

Good for them but so what? You're suggesting this gives Israel special rights?

I'm suggesting the fixation on Israel as the centre of all condemnation is not because of what Israel is doing but because Jews are doing it to Muslims, and the Left feels it must side with and protect Muslims from the evil white man, regardless of reasoning. No matter what the Muslims do, the Left feels they are the holy victims and must be protected from all criticism and attack. No one can be permitted to attack Muslims except other Muslims.

Sudan is a lot worse than Gaza right now, with death and destruction, mass rape, starvation, and cholera epidemics. Where are the marchers? Where is the condemnation from Western media and politicians? Nobody cares.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

the Left feels it must side with and protect Muslims from the evil white man

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You might well hide your head in shame like that kiddo

 

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

Refugees are not criminals.

There aren't 10M refugees in America, blackbird. 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I'm suggesting the fixation on Israel as the centre of all condemnation is not because of what Israel is doing but because Jews are doing it to Muslims, and the Left feels it must side with and protect Muslims from the evil white man, regardless of reasoning. No matter what the Muslims do, the Left feels they are the holy victims and must be protected from all criticism and attack. No one can be permitted to attack Muslims except other Muslims.

Sudan is a lot worse than Gaza right now, with death and destruction, mass rape, starvation, and cholera epidemics. Where are the marchers? Where is the condemnation from Western media and politicians? Nobody cares.

Pakistan has killed between 3-4M people in 2 separate genocides since 1947 (1971 was the latest), no muslim nation has even said a bad word about Pakistan. Iran normalized relations with them while they were still busy committing their first genocide. 

In Palestine that happened to between 400-500 people in 1948 and the whole muslim world is enraged. Aside from that, everyone else has died in wars and intifadas.

Between 7M and 8M Sikhs and Hindus were driven out of Pakistan, more than 10x the number of people forced out of Palestine. 

When I see a muslim complaining about Israel, I just see a piece of shit with lips. 

[WestCanMan]

Short answer: my dislike for Liberals is far more passionate than my dislike for Nazis ATM.

That's not to say that I side with them, they're just in the past, while the LPOC has been destroying our country for more than ten years now.  

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There aren't 10M refugees in America, blackbird. 

How do you know?  Did you count them?

[Venandi]

23 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Islam is just a religion bud.

There are entire books on this... suffice it to say:

It's way more than "just a religion", it's a blueprint for social order and an alternate model to secular democracy by virtue of its laws and governance.

AND IT WORKS...  but I don't think you'd like it.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2025 by Venandi

[User]

21 hours ago, blackbird said:

Refugees are not criminals.

When they unlawfull enter or remain in the country, they certainly are. 

 

[User]

19 hours ago, blackbird said:

You better study the U.N. refugee protocols of 1951 and 1967.  

A refugee remains a refugee after they arrive in a country regardless how they get in.  You are not qualified either to say who is one or who is not.

Quote us the exact parts you think apply here then and how they trump US law. 

You have made this BS argument before and failed. 

 

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, blackbird said:

How do you know? 

By not being ret4rded.

What Mexicans are refugees? 

[I am Groot]

On 8/15/2025 at 6:31 PM, User said:

Quote us the exact parts you think apply here then and how they trump US law. 

You have made this BS argument before and failed. 

 

The treaty the US signed says all countries MUST admit anyone claiming asylum and give them a hearing. The problem is that today A) millions are falsely claiming asylum and b) the lawyers have made the process so complex and time-consuming that people are able to stay for years while waiting for their claims to be adjudicated.

The UN charter on refugees is a thing of a different age and is no longer fit for purpose. Western nations should renouce it and write something new. 

Edited August 17, 2025 by I am Groot

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

The treaty the US signs says all countries MUST admit anyone claiming asylum and give them a hearing. The problem is that today A) millions are falsely claiming asylum and b) the lawyers have made the process so complex and time-consuming that people are able to stay for years while waiting for their claims to be adjudicated.

The UN charter on refugees is a thing of a different age and is no longer fit for purpose. Western nations should renouce it and write something new. 

Treaties and charters can all be renegotiated and amended but humanity has an enormous amount of stuff on its plate at the moment.

Lots and lots of complex time consuming stuff and the plate is huge.

Even Gordian himself would be overwhelmed with the task at hand.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 8/15/2025 at 9:38 AM, I am Groot said:

I'm suggesting the fixation on Israel as the centre of all condemnation is not because of what Israel is doing but because Jews are doing it to Muslims, and the Left feels it must side with and protect Muslims from the evil white man, regardless of reasoning. No matter what the Muslims do, the Left feels they are the holy victims and must be protected from all criticism and attack. No one can be permitted to attack Muslims except other Muslims.

The left focuses on helping minorities and the disadvantaged.   Admirable, but how they frame things is flawed.  Their kindness is often led by naive assumptions.  Just because someone is a minority, or weak, doesn't make them virtuous and worthy of help.  I'm not saying hungry Gazans don't need some food aid right now, they do.  Netanyahu has gone over the line.

Most progressives are racists and cowards.  They hold racist double-standards and don't have the courage to hold people accountable who are seen as disadvantaged....because they're afraid of their peers calling them racist for it even when it's not.   Progressives bully each other over nonsense, and thus remain in a state of delusion and enabling.

Speaking the truth is one of the things worth risking offending people over.  It is better to stay quite or lie and keep friends, or be correct and truthful and lose some?  Sometimes people need to hear the truth even when they don't want to hear it.

[Aristides]

On 8/15/2025 at 10:25 AM, WestCanMan said:

Short answer: my dislike for Liberals is far more passionate than my dislike for Nazis ATM.

That's not to say that I side with them, they're just in the past, while the LPOC has been destroying our country for more than ten years now.  

Anyone who hates liberals more than Nazis is one f*cked up excuse for a human being.

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The left focuses on helping minorities and the disadvantaged. 

The left pushes a narrative that they do that, but what they actually do is set up gov't programs that they use as cash cows for themselves and their cronies. 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 8/14/2025 at 11:24 PM, blackbird said:

You better study the U.N. refugee protocols of 1951 and 1967.  

A refugee remains a refugee after they arrive in a country regardless how they get in.  You are not qualified either to say who is one or who is not.

Refugees should be helped when they flee harm.  However, people should also not be able to take advantage of that system and our kindness.

Also, nobody should be able to stay in a country if they undermine the longterm interests and safety of the citizens of that country.  The areas in my city (and many other cities) that have the most crime are ones filled with impoverished refugees, often from countries with high crime rates.  Something needs to be done to prevent that.  I suggest sending people with certain risk factors (such as income potential) to safe countries more line with their income potential and cultural background.  The priority is their safety, not their standard of living at our cost.

I will never advocate policies that make my community more dangerous in the name of compassion.  At some point we need to stand up for ourselves and our interests.

Unfortunately few politicians and people are willing to say these things publicly.   They will be accused of being called racist.

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Anyone who hates liberals more than Nazis is one f*cked up excuse for a human being.

Stop pretending to be "progressive" and admit that you're almost as bad as the Nazis. 

Your covid actions mirrored the Nazis in every way shape and form:

• 1938 Nazis burned books to control information, 2020 Nazis used shadow-bans and outright bans on social media to push disinformation and prevent the flow of easily verifiable information 
• 1938 Nazis controlled the media, 2020 Nazis used TNI to control the media on a global scale
• 1938 Nazis used the gesundheitspass to segregate Jews based on false medical information, 2020 Nazis used the gesundheitspass to segregate the unvaxed based on false medical information
• 1938 Nazis forced people to take injections that they didn't want, 2020 Nazis forced people to take injections that they didn't want
• 1938 Nazis froze the bank accounts of political dissidents, 2020 Nazis froze the bank accounts of political dissidents
• 1938 Nazis got their followers to snitch on Jews, 2020 Nazis got their followers to snitch on innocent Canadians for just visiting each other
• 1938 Nazis built concentration camps that weren't initially supposed to be for mass-killings, 2020 Nazis built concentration camps that weren't initially supposed to be for mass-killings
• 1938 Nazis beat protesters and dissidents, 2020 Nazis beat protesters and dissidents
• 1938 Nazis said things like "the unvaxed are very often racists and misogynists, and we have to ask ourselves if they should even be tolerated", wait, that was Trudeau's exact words

GFYS Aristedes.  I have as much respect for you as I do Joseph Goebbels. 

[eyeball]

On 8/15/2025 at 6:38 AM, I am Groot said:

... the Left feels it must side with and protect Muslims from the evil white man, regardless of reasoning. No matter what the Muslims do, the Left feels they are the holy victims and must be protected from all criticism and attack. 

No, it's western conservative right-wingers that the left feels Muslims need to be protected from.

I mean, you freaking people used comic books to justify attacking Iraq and killing up to half a million people outright by some estimates and nearly another half a million indirectly.

10 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Most progressives are racists and cowards.

We're as bad as terrorists Stalinists and Nazis according to you people and we've been overrunning and taking control of the west for decades now. But instead of doing the decent 2nd Amendment Patriot thing, you take it out on Muslims on the other side of the planet and kill them instead.

Why is that? Why not progressives here in the west? Isn't that a much bigger more fundamental problem?

[Aristides]

31 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Stop pretending to be "progressive" and admit that you're almost as bad as the Nazis. 

Your covid actions mirrored the Nazis in every way shape and form:

• 1938 Nazis burned books to control information, 2020 Nazis used shadow-bans and outright bans on social media to push disinformation and prevent the flow of easily verifiable information 
• 1938 Nazis controlled the media, 2020 Nazis used TNI to control the media on a global scale
• 1938 Nazis used the gesundheitspass to segregate Jews based on false medical information, 2020 Nazis used the gesundheitspass to segregate the unvaxed based on false medical information
• 1938 Nazis forced people to take injections that they didn't want, 2020 Nazis forced people to take injections that they didn't want
• 1938 Nazis froze the bank accounts of political dissidents, 2020 Nazis froze the bank accounts of political dissidents
• 1938 Nazis got their followers to snitch on Jews, 2020 Nazis got their followers to snitch on innocent Canadians for just visiting each other
• 1938 Nazis built concentration camps that weren't initially supposed to be for mass-killings, 2020 Nazis built concentration camps that weren't initially supposed to be for mass-killings
• 1938 Nazis beat protesters and dissidents, 2020 Nazis beat protesters and dissidents
• 1938 Nazis said things like "the unvaxed are very often racists and misogynists, and we have to ask ourselves if they should even be tolerated", wait, that was Trudeau's exact words

GFYS Aristedes.  I have as much respect for you as I do Joseph Goebbels. 

Id1ot.

Edited August 16, 2025 by Aristides