Trump ends all U.S. trade talks with Canada over digital services tax

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Explain the difference 

 

That makes absolutely no sense. The fact they didn’t rollover is proof that they will roll over?  What exactly do you think he would do  if they were ere actually difficult negotiators?

 

That’s exactly what’s happening right now but you’re suggesting it’s a sign of failure not the road to success. 
 

We will see. At some point there will be a “new normal” and I suspect that even if Carney gets 99.99% of what Canadians want conservatives will claim that he caved, bent the knee and sold out. Meanwhile if PP is the PM when things are settled even if he caves to the US on 99.99% of issues conservatives will tout the 0.01% as a landslide victory

That’s how that judgment will go, same as it ever does. 

The difference is pretty simple. Saying Canadians have been tough to deal with and unfair to us for decades just what he's been saying since the get-go implies that the country is difficult to deal with in general. Maybe he was saying a specific negotiator is really hard to deal with then that would imply something different. Which is why you felt that need to change it and pretend that that's what he was saying when he very clearly is not.

And they've already rolled over. They already got rid of all the tariffs, they changed the border rules, the gushed over him at the g7 and let him into the country, and they've done everything they've been told to do. As a result they're going had in hand saying please sir can we keep this one thing? And he's like no. You can't, and I'm going to take it away

And now they'll have to roll on this too because they have already been rolling over all the way along and he knows that they are weak.

They had been standing up to him he would be a lot more reluctant to do this. But he's already determined they're p*ssies and so he can push them around. 

And what's happening now is the opposite of them standing up to him. Have they announced any counter measures? Have they put back the tariffs they took off?  Anything? nope, they haven't even commented on it and they're going to wind up having to cave in the end and take them off. 

That's why trump wanted carney. He already knew he'd be able to walk all over him because of their previous discussions. 

And it sounds like you're already making excuses for Carney. So far he has failed to get anything. In fact the steel tariffs went up and all the other tariffs are there and the money he was going to use to help industry by counter tariffs is gone.  So at this point it's a 100% failure for him and you're trying to pretend that somehow he's standing up to trump.

You lefties have the ability to lie yourself into believing anything

16 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Does Walmart pay taxes in Canada on their business operations here? Last time I checked they were American owned.

They don't pay any taxes here on services are goods sold in the states. Which is what we're talking about. The fact that Canadians can easily cross the electronic border to see Google's website does not change the fact that Google is not operating in Canada.

[Barquentine]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

We elected a liar and an idjit to run our country

What?? You're American?

[blackbird]

32 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Does Walmart pay taxes in Canada on their business operations here? Last time I checked they were American owned.

Walmart would pay the same tax as any business within Canada pays.   Businesses pay taxes based on their profits.  That is totally different that a DST tax on a foreign company operating on the internet. 

A digital service tax on Amazon will be passed on to customers.   It is another excuse for the Liberal government to collect more taxes.

People that purchase something on Amazon already pay GST and will now have another price increase to pay for the DST.

Edited June 28, 2025 by blackbird

[Barquentine]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The fact that Canadians can easily cross the electronic border to see Google's website does not change the fact that Google is not operating in Canada.

One of the dumbest things you've said.

Google AI:

Yes, Google has a significant presence and operates in Canada. Google has multiple offices, including locations in Waterloo, Toronto, and Montreal, and employs thousands of people in engineering, sales, and AI research roles. They also have a growing focus on AI research and development, with a dedicated AI team in Montreal. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Seems like they only reached an agreement to try to come to an agreement. Lot of weasel-words there.

 

Yeah, fair point. A lot of his deals have been a deal to make a deal down the road. But at least they have a working framework. And trump did reduce the tariffs that were being charged on china. He's increased ours. So there's a reasonable difference

Edited June 28, 2025 by CdnFox

[blackbird]

41 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

es, Google has a significant presence and operates in Canada.

So that means they would already pay taxes like any other company operating in Canada.

The DST is a new and additional tax.

Edited June 28, 2025 by blackbird

[Moonlight Graham]

F*ck Trump.  Slap a tariff on his d*ck and tell him to suck it.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Do you really think these companies will absorb this tax themselves and not pass it on?

What's stopping these companies from innovating their way around this? It gives them an opportunity to compete with one another.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Does Walmart pay taxes in Canada on their business operations here? Last time I checked they were American owned.

Sssshhhh!!! Don't give Donnie Diapers a reason to cancel the next round.

The digital services they sell are delivered in Canada. Canada has a right to tax them. A 3% tax on earnings from Canadians is chicken change, when a 25-60¢ increase in subscription prices for Canadians would be almost unnoticeable to consumers and bring in more revenue making companies a profit over the tax due. Because you bloody know, they'll boost prices a whole dollar.

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, User said:

This is another dishonest response. 

If you sit here trying to claim this is some MAGA thing to oppose this, my pointing out that this concept has been opposed on a bipartisan basis across multiple administrations, both Republican and Democrat, is entirely relevant. 

Yes, democrats shill for corporations and big tech too. Everyone knows American politicians on both sides of the aisle are cash-and-carry, especially these days. So if you would like me to retract MAGA I will agree 

 

6 hours ago, User said:

When you sit here trying to argue that this is an OK tax, presenting only one metric, that it applies to both US and Canadian businesses... it is entirely relevant to point out the other facts that show how unfair/egregious this tax is

What Im telling you is that a domestic sales tax that applies to all businesses universally is a purely domestic matter if USA or Madagascar or the mayor of Timbuktu think it’s ok. As a sovereign country if we want to put a sales tax on toothpicks we don’t have to look up which country’s businesses make the most toothpicks and then seek for their permission to regulate transactions that occur within our own borders  
 

7 hours ago, User said:

Says who? You making up the rules on what is and is not valid is absurd on its face. Clearly the country you are imposing most of your taxes on disagrees. 

Its not absurd. Sovereign nations are free to set up their own tax regimes and regulate their own markets. US is free to disagree, we disagree with a lot of things the US does internally. We don’t threaten tariffs on USA if they don’t adopt stricter gun control for example.   As long as the tax rules don’t privilege or disadvantage a specific country against other foreign or domestic competitors they have nothing to legitimately grieve.   I mean if anything given that these US companies already have the majority of the market the tax actually makes it more difficult doe other startups homegrown or foreign to compete since they will be far less able to absorb the cost. 
 

7 hours ago, User said:

Knowing about the potential for a future tax is meaningless in light of the egregious nature of retroactive legislation. It doesn't somehow make it better to pass a retroactively applied tax because you knew folks were talking about it before. 

Yeah but if you know how businesses operate then you know that they accrue for anticipated future costs even ones that have the possibility of being cancelled. And they knew it was to be effective in 2022 with implementation postponed several times as a favour, it was not a surprise that it would be retroactive to 2022 they knew the whole time.  And again $2 billion shared across a number of the world’s wealthiest companies is nothing. Bezos is probably spending more on his wedding right now 😃

 

7 hours ago, User said:

You also ignorantly present revenue instead of profits. Amazon still has a huge operating cost, that is not what they profit each year. 

It’s not ignorant to state the cost relative to their gross instead of their net.  At any rate it is still a drop in the bucket for these companies. 
 

BOTTOM LINE:  These companies don’t have a god-given right to conduct business in our country tax-free. The entire premise of the Trump tariffs is that everyone must pay for the privilege of accessing the US market so isn’t it ironic that you think these companies should not only have tariff-free but also tax-free access to the Canadian market?

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

One of the dumbest things you've said.

Google AI:

Yes, Google has a significant presence and operates in Canada. Google has multiple offices, including locations in Waterloo, Toronto, and Montreal, and employs thousands of people in engineering, sales, and AI research roles. They also have a growing focus on AI research and development, with a dedicated AI team in Montreal. 

Those offices pay taxes already for anythnig they sell. And the staff all pay income taxes. 

wah wah waaaaaah.... you lose stupid    Those aren't what this gov't tax is taxing. 

[BeaverFever]

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

Actually that is not quite correct herbie.   It is a tax on multinational companies based in America and probably mostly owned by Americans. 

False. It is a tax on digital services and applies to all companies,  including domestic Canadian companies.

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't bore herbie with facts

He didn’t, blackbird got it wrong, again. 

[Barquentine]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Google is not operating in Canada.

So make up your mind. Does Google operate in Canada or not?

[ExFlyer]

Trump and his staff knew about this tax long ago. This is just another Trump negotiation tactic to show his brood he is King LOL

I think ya'll need to know what the digital tax really is.. It is not a Canadian company income tax, they pay that too.

The digital services tax applies at a rate of 3% on revenue earned from:

• Certain digital services that rely on engagement, data, and content contributions of Canadian users
• Certain sales or licensing of Canadian user data

Canadian digital services revenue is calculated on a calendar year basis and is earned from:

• Online marketplace services
• Online advertising services
• Social media services
• Certain sales of user data

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/taxes/excise-taxes-duties-and-levies/digital-services-tax/about-tax.html

 

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/D-1.65/

Edited June 28, 2025 by ExFlyer

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

Good God you suckholes, Canadians pay the tax and those companies are being asked to collect and remit them just like Amazon does.
And then some of those taxes will get used to "illegally subsidize" Canadian content, something else you probably object to as well.

I certainly do. If it's any good, it can stand on its own merits. We should not be subsidizing 'artists' of any kind. If they're not good enough for people to pay for their 'art', whatever that might be, then let them find another job.

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They don't pay any taxes here on services are goods sold in the states. Which is what we're talking about. The fact that Canadians can easily cross the electronic border to see Google's website does not change the fact that Google is not operating in Canada.

That's not how it works. Google sells ads to Canadian companies. When you see ads on a whole bunch of online media in Canada, a lot of those ads are actually placed there by Google on behalf of their Canadian customers. It also sells the right to be 'promoted' during searches to Canadian businesses, so their business gets listed ahead of others. They pull in billions in revenue from Canadian customers every year.

[LinkSoul60]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

What's stopping these companies from innovating their way around this? It gives them an opportunity to compete with one another.

Not sure how they would innovate around digital ads or services?, but with annual profits in the ~$50B range for the googles, metas, amazons  etc the ability to compete isn't a concern.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Not sure how they would innovate around digital ads or services?, but with annual profits in the ~$50B range for the googles, metas, amazons  etc the ability to compete isn't a concern.

Promising less and delivering more is how I do it. But like you say its a drop in the bucket.

I'm fine with taxing the snot out of them.

[LinkSoul60]

22 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Trump and his staff knew about this tax long ago. This is just another Trump negotiation tactic to show his brood he is King LOL

I think ya'll need to know what the digital tax really is.. It is not a Canadian company income tax, they pay that too.

The digital services tax applies at a rate of 3% on revenue earned from:

• Certain digital services that rely on engagement, data, and content contributions of Canadian users
• Certain sales or licensing of Canadian user data

Canadian digital services revenue is calculated on a calendar year basis and is earned from:

• Online marketplace services
• Online advertising services
• Social media services
• Certain sales of user data

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/taxes/excise-taxes-duties-and-levies/digital-services-tax/about-tax.html

 

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/D-1.65/

lol.... just another day at the playground for the Trump admin.

Hey, did you know about this DST tax....no, don't remember it

Hey, did you know about this tax.....yeah, but didn't think they'd really do it

This is unfair!  We've been blindsided!!

Children are easier to deal with....

[Barquentine]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And trump did reduce the tariffs that were being charged on china.

Yahoo Finance
Updated Fri, June 27, 2025
US tariffs on Chinese imports will start at 30%, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said Friday. China tariffs on US imports will be 10%.

Doesn't sound like a good deal to me. I believe tariffs on Canada are currently 25% or lower, except steel and aluminum. 'Course we're dealing with El Douché so that could change any moment.

[Zeitgeist]

I think it’s fine for Canada to drop the DST as part of a big deal with the U.S.   Canadians need to decide how much they want these irritants to the U.S. and whether the value of keeping them outweighs the benefits of freer trade.  If supply management is such a worthwhile program, why not open it up to the U.S. dairy industry?

The reality is that the U.S. and Canadian economies have operated like a single economy, so a lot of our Canadian regulations are essentially expensive duplicates of most US regulatory bodies.  All of this should be streamlined and an economic union with the free movement of goods, labour and people should be the goal because it makes economic sense and provides greater opportunities for both countries.

The problem now is that Canadians feel like their sovereignty has been threatened, so any deal has to have clauses that prevent the U.S. from reneging on deals or attempting to dismantle our chosen national institutions and policies. Trump blew it in that regard because the soft power of the U.S. as being a trusted and likeable ally is seriously diminished. Carney just has to make sure he doesn’t go down with Trump’s ship.  If he does, a lot of clean up will have to be done by the next government.

Edited June 28, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The problem now is that Canadians feel like their sovereignty has been threatened,

I'm quite certain America is pleading it's the victim here.

Its terrible how Canada has treated us.

Awwww.

Fùcking pussies.

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

False. It is a tax on digital services and applies to all companies,  including domestic Canadian companies.

He didn’t, blackbird got it wrong, again. 

Not really.  The main companies affected are big American companies like Google, Amazon, Uber, etc.  A general statement doesn't have to include every possible detail.  Arguing for argument's sake again.

[BeaverFever]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Not really.  The main companies affected are big American companies like Google, Amazon, Uber, etc.  A general statement doesn't have to include every possible detail.  Arguing for argument's sake again.

That doesn’t matter. Its not a selective tax that puts them at a competitive disadvantage, that’s all that matters.
 

If an American company buys Tim Hortons Trump doesn’t get to demand we cancel taxes on donuts because its us owned. 
 

All cars sold in Canada are owned by American companies so we have to stop taxing those also?

You so business in Canada, you pay taxes in Canada, period. It doesn’t matter what country your company is headquartered in. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I certainly do. If it's any good, it can stand on its own merits. We should not be subsidizing 'artists' of any kind. If they're not good enough for people to pay for their 'art', whatever that might be, then let them find another job.

Most of the great works of art through history is subsidized at some point, even the stuff that sells on its own is often produced by artists who developed honed their skills on “subsidized” projects. The “subsidized” art  is also often the cutting edge content that moves the culture and art scene forward, and only later becomes commercially successful after it catches on with the mainstream.  Not to mention that the “art” that “sells” best and easiest on its is often low brow mass market brainrot crap like reality tv. 
 

The other thing I find interesting is that many in the “no subsidies for art” crowd are all for subsidies for sports teams which is far less important than arts. Everyone has heard of shakespeare and beethoven (both were effectively government subsidized artists), nobody knows or cares about whatever sports were around back then.