Trump and Vance Loudly Rebuke Zelensky in Oval Office | The New York Times

[West]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

That's bullshit and almost no one but MAGA hats and Putin stooges would agree with you. But even if that was true, could you blame Zelensky for playing any card he can, it is his country that is being bled white fighting for its ability to exist.  So guarantee Ukraine's independence once an agreement is signed. Why would Ukraine sign anything without guarantees they can depend on, they might as well commit suicide.

We will see. Looks like the Trump administration will be auditing the Ukraine funding 

[Aristides]

20 minutes ago, West said:

We will see. Looks like the Trump administration will be auditing the Ukraine funding 

And they will find what they want to find with nothing to back it up.

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

"It's one thing"  is NOT "wouldn't be a big deal"

So you see, Biden didn't say WHAT YOU CLAIMED. Why do you make up false stories?

'It's one thing if it's a minor incursion...'   And presumably, something else if it's not?

You can't bring yourself to admit that Biden was not infallible.

I was impressed by what Trump and Vance said to Zelensky.

[West]

Just now, Aristides said:

And they will find what they want to find with nothing to back it up.

Then why did Biden feel the need to pardon his son for everything Ukraine going back a decade?

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, West said:

Then why did Biden feel the need to pardon his son for everything Ukraine going back a decade?

Still on that tired old meme. He did it to protect him from a witch-hunt. While I didn't like it at the time, it's understandable considering Trump's actions since the election. Like Musk's purges, they will make all sorts of claims with nothing to back them up. Of course you will swallow every one of them because it's what you want to hear.

Edited March 1 by Aristides

[West]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Still on that tired old meme. He did it to protect him from a witch-hunt. While I didn't like it at the time, it's understandable considering Trump's actions since the election. Like Musk's purges, they will make all sorts of claims with nothing to back them up. Of course you will swallow every one of them because it's what you want to hear.

Yeah I'm sure. 

Or our eyes aren't deceiving us and his work in the Ukraine was a scam

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, West said:

Yeah I'm sure. 

Or our eyes aren't deceiving us and his work in the Ukraine was a scam

Ya well, you will believe what you want to believe.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Trudeau must be sooooo jealous.

No elections, the opposition parties were kicked right out of gov't, and he just openly seized control of all the media outlets in Ukraine. 

What are you talking about? Trudeau didn't win the popular vote in the election but took over anyway and he never needed to seize the media outlets because they were on his side already  

He's looking at zelensky like "You had to SIEZE your media? They weren't in your pocket already? Pfffft, amateur"  

Edited March 1 by CdnFox

[TreeBeard]

Russian state media were in the Oval Office today live-streaming from the Trump/Vance debacle.  
 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

In these undignified spectacles foreign politicians might be better off sticking to their own language if they are fortunate to have one. Just answer the questions put to you in Ukrainian and blissfully ignore the rest of the noise. If challenged, say your English isn’t good enough for such a delicate diplomatic task. 

[robosmith]

54 minutes ago, ironstone said:

'It's one thing if it's a minor incursion...'   And presumably, something else if it's not?

 

Who knows? But it's not "no big deal."

54 minutes ago, ironstone said:

You can't bring yourself to admit that Biden was not infallible.

You can't bring yourself to admit that he didn't say what you cllaimed.

54 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I was impressed by what Trump and Vance said to Zelensky.

You were impressed by a BULLY castigating the leader of an allied country who's desperately in need of help to defend his country? 

Do you believe that took ANY courage for those 2 numbnuts to yell at Zelenskyy?  Or accomplished anything useful other than to Putin?

Both of them put on a despicable display of HUBRIS.

Why are you in bed with Putin?

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

not everything the Russians say is a lie

the Donbass is an ethnically Russian enclave which fought for the Kremlin against the Maidan Revolution

And that doesn't bother you at all that they betrayed their country to fight for Putin's puppet that sold their country out to Putin?

He reneged on a promise to make a trade deal with the West, probably because he was BRIBED by Putin. 🤮 

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

so was Donald Trump

Only by lying his ass off to the MAGA CULT which he's fcked royally. But they're so dumb they still haven't figured that out.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, West said:

Then put it to a vote. 

News for you: Ukraine's laws prohibit elections during wars.

6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

to help Russia seize the Canadian arctic

just desserts for socialist peacenik self disarming Canada

You really have no morals whatsoever. 🤮

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, suds said:

Yeah, pretty stupid thing to say all right.  But for Biden....  perfectly normal.

Biden never said that.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Pick a lane:

1. No wun knose hoos runing the countree, or
2. Orinj man dictater

You can't have it both ways. 

Oh no! The BABY is BACK. LMAO

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

Biden never said that.

"I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do."

[Nationalist]

Zelinsky is done. Europe can't carry the war alone and the US is out.

What a wild ending.

[blackbird]

Trump and Vance struck me as very crude and rude.  No diplomacy at all.  It was a staged ambush with the media invited in.  That is not the way to find peace and solve world problems.  It is very uncivilized and barbaric behavior.

Canada has been receiving that kind of insulting rude behavior.  The government is wise in that it is keeping a low profile.  Canadians realize you don't try to argue with a mad man.

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[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

 

You really have no morals whatsoever. 🤮

Might makes right. That is a moral.

But it was abandoned because democracy gave people the agency to defy that moral. People eventually determined they didn't want to be pawns on a chess board for Royals.

[West]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

Ya well, you will believe what you want to believe.

I don't believe the gasliting and propaganda that's being put out by the left. They are grooming us to accept endless wars and corruption

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Trump behaved like the thug he is supported by his fanatical sidekick Vance. These days you’re better off being an enemy of the US - that way you won’t be shocked when you’re humiliated and extorted by them.

Point of order. The US treats its enemies with respect, and even admiration. Whether that's Putin, Xi, Un, or even the Taliban, that Trump had to the white house. 

It's only its allies it treats like garbage.

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't think Trump has any ideological motivation at all

 

Trump is doing with Putin tells him to do for fear of Putin releasing all the information he has on Trump's money laundering and sanctions busting for Russian oligarchs before he became President.

11 hours ago, West said:

You seem less interested in ending the war and more interested in leveraging the lives of children to further a political agenda. 

That's what's most vile about the left wing position 

What a weird idea that it is the Left that wants to stop the Russians from taking over Europe.

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Afghanistan just called. I couldn't hear what they were saying, they've been laughing so hard since the "really successful withdrawal". 

I'm recalling the image of a cowed Trump in the White House meeting the Taliban in all their majesty. I assure you he didn't dare critique their choice of clothing before surrendering to them.

[Deluge]

19 hours ago, Radiorum said:

To publicly bully and humiliate a man fighting for the life of his country is despicable in the extreme (especially when you are supposed to be on the side of democracy).

This show will only play well with the most die-hard of Trump’s cult members.

History is watching, and will lump Trump and Vance in with the bad guys.

Zelensky's a f*cking mooch and a dictator.

Of course you tell him to f*ck off when he starts lecturing you in your own house. 

He and the ret of you global cultists are the real threat.