TreeBeard Posted February 26 Author Report Posted February 26 (edited) Will Poilievre’s opposition to Trump hurt support from his “base”? We notice on this forum that Conservative supporters are also strong Trump supporters. What do they think of PP taking a stand against Trump? Will it cause a further shift to the People’s Party? A Mad Max resurgence? https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/canadas-conservatives-confront-trump-sized-obstacle-00204340 A challenge for the Conservatives is trying to walk the line between conservative Canadians who don’t support Trump and the minority of conservative Canadians who are MAGA supporters, said “You do wonder if the Conservatives are being a bit more reticent than they might have been if that segment didn’t exist,” she said Kurl. Edited February 26 by TreeBeard 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 It is the right thing to do, A large majority don't want to be Americans,that includes a large majority of conservatives as well...But lets not pretend some of trump's policies are forcing this nation to stand up and take notice of its federal responsibilities, such as our border, the rest of the security apparatus, our defensive packs with NATO, NORAD, ETC...But none of us want to sell out our nation to the americans... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonlight Graham Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dougie93 said: no need, since Canada is ruled by the same British Crown No they aren;t. We're ruled by the Canadian Crown. 100% separate legal title and institution. Edited February 27 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 I’d say Tory operatives aren’t taking these polls as lightly as some here. Their direction is unmistakable. If Trump actually goes ahead with the tariffs, Poilievre will have a very difficult time. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 6 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Will Poilievre’s opposition to Trump hurt support from his “base”? No Quote We notice on this forum that Conservative supporters are also strong Trump supporters. What do they think of PP taking a stand against Trump? I'm like liberals and the woke conservatives tend to be a little bit more complex in their thinking. They can like someone and still disapprove of some of the things that they do. They can also disapprove of someone but still like some of the things they do. I think most conservatives are outraged over his insults to canada, most agree that we do have to strengthen our borders, most believe he's proven we have to reduce our dependency on the us militarily and economically, many disagree with his tariff nonsense, etc etc. Quote
CouchPotato Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 7 hours ago, TreeBeard said: We notice on this forum that Conservative supporters are also strong Trump supporters. What do they think of PP taking a stand against Trump? Well, some conservatives are strong Trump supporters. And a minority of them as your link points out. But if you noticed that conservatives on this forum are Trump supporters, you've probably noticed who we support for prime minister. Quote
Aristides Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 20 hours ago, Dougie93 said: I don't distrust Poilievre in the sense that he doesn't believe in what he says I just wouldn't trust the Conservative party in general to follow through on radical transformation to try to make all of Canada adhere to what Alberta wants ; that's totally unrealistic the better option for Alberta is to cede from Confederation and join the United States The fact that 72% of Albertans said oil should be used as a weapon against Trump’s tariffs indicates little support for separation and joining the US. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 16 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Will Poilievre’s opposition to Trump hurt support from his “base”? We notice on this forum that Conservative supporters are also strong Trump supporters. What do they think of PP taking a stand against Trump? Will it cause a further shift to the People’s Party? The MAGA-types have nowhere to go and the sensible ones know they’ll waste their votes with the PPC. PP needs centrist voters who are giving the Liberals another look. He should play along with Team Canada until the election is called. Too much sniping at the govt right now in the middle of an extraordinary national crisis runs the risk of looking disloyal. Quote
eyeball Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 17 hours ago, TreeBeard said: A challenge for the Conservatives is trying to walk the line between conservative Canadians who don’t support Trump and the minority of conservative Canadians who are MAGA supporters, said “You do wonder if the Conservatives are being a bit more reticent than they might have been if that segment didn’t exist,” she said Kurl. As support from moderates evaporates the Conservative base of support becomes even thicker with the sorts of right wing chuds and crackpots that characterize MAGA - outspoken dingbats who really don't like keeping their stupid mouths shut. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: No they aren;t. We're ruled by the Canadian Crown. 100% separate legal title and institution. HM Dominion of Canada : is British North America Quote
CdnFox Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 7 hours ago, Aristides said: The fact that 72% of Albertans said oil should be used as a weapon against Trump’s tariffs indicates little support for separation and joining the US. How? Would you consider joining the united states and becoming American - Yes We're not currently American and the Americans are attacking us, do you believe that we should defend ourselves against that attack - Yes There's no conflict there at all. Somebody can believe that we should be using a whale against the united states as a weapon or fighting back in one way or another and still say they would consider becoming a part of the united states as an option. Quote
TreeBeard Posted February 27 Author Report Posted February 27 This chart tells the story. The latest polls have the 2 frontrunners in a tie. What happens to Poilievre if he loses to the Liberals? source: www.338canada.com Quote
herbie Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 Such 1930s mentality promoting Canada as "British", supporting tariffs and the like indicates a severe denial of reality itself. Quote
TreeBeard Posted February 27 Author Report Posted February 27 1 minute ago, herbie said: Such 1930s mentality promoting Canada as "British", supporting tariffs and the like indicates a severe denial of reality itself. That poster thinks I’m a “communist”. 😂 Quote
PIK Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 PP been connecting to people especially young people on social media since the start. MSM us not going to give PP the time of day. So it's harder to get the message out. His speech was awesome but only parts getting reported. But they went on about how great trudeaus speech was. And it was for once. But he hated this country and it's history and traditions, but now he loves the country. You you guys just keep sucking it up. Imagine if PP got caught in a bald face lie like carney did? It would be run 24/7 on the MSM. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
herbie Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: What happens to Poilievre if he loses to the Liberals? Maybe he'll take over the legend of Robert Stanfield as the "Best Prime Minister That Never Was" in the minds of the alt-right. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: This chart tells the story. The latest polls have the 2 frontrunners in a tie. What happens to Poilievre if he loses to the Liberals? source: www.338canada.com Canada will be severely diminished as a country, probably irreconcilably so. But that's how democracy works. Choose wisely Quote
herbie Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: That poster thinks I’m a “communist”. 😂 Well he probably thinks Mulroney was an extreme leftist too for promoting Free Trade and the GST. I mean his Bronze Bozo hero thinks VATs are subsidies and claims the sellers pay the sales taxes. Even half the Americans that pay sales tax every day believe The Liar. Quote
TreeBeard Posted February 27 Author Report Posted February 27 14 minutes ago, PIK said: Imagine if PP got caught in a bald face lie Don’t have to imagine… PP has a very tenuous grasp of the truth on a daily basis. 23 minutes ago, PIK said: PP been connecting to people… PP benefited from Trudeau being well past his best-before date and being the only other viable option in people’s minds. Now that Trudeau is gone, the gap in the polls between the parties has evaporated. He is back to his base , with most of Canadians not wanting to vote for the Cons. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 (edited) 14 hours ago, Dougie93 said: HM Dominion of Canada : is British North America Canada has zero remaining legal ties the UK or the British Crown. 1982 took care of that. 12 hours ago, TreeBeard said: This chart tells the story. The latest polls have the 2 frontrunners in a tie. What happens to Poilievre if he loses to the Liberals? source: www.338canada.com Same fate as the previous 2 CPC leaders. Edited February 28 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
PIK Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 15 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Don’t have to imagine… PP has a very tenuous grasp of the truth on a daily basis. PP benefited from Trudeau being well past his best-before date and being the only other viable option in people’s minds. Now that Trudeau is gone, the gap in the polls between the parties has evaporated. He is back to his base , with most of Canadians not wanting to vote for the Cons. A vote for carney is saying to them, we like what you did in the last 10 yrs, continue doing it. Carney is going to have the same people in the cabinets. So Canadians should just forget all the ethic violations by this Gov.? We look the other way on all the lucrative contracts given to friends of the liberal party? And losing control of the migration file while being warned by everybody? This will all come again once the election starts. Carney had no idea of the fire storm heading his way. He's no longer is the posh, safe banking world anymore. The political arena is a whole new animal. Going to be interesting. 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Gaétan Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 The prophet that the media was making a big deal of and that put him ahead in the polls, the Mr. Canada who was supposed to bring us the wealth, was in reality a false prophet who moved the head office of the company he was managing from Canada to the United States. In addition, we have seen that the candidates for the Liberal leadership have all denounced Hamas, but they have been careful not to denounce the Israeli army, which has done a thousand times worse out of love for Jewish money, so they are all immoral candidates. Choosing between conservatives and liberals, as the media offers us, is like choosing between the devil and Satan. Quote
Barquentine Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 Don't know much about Karina Gould but saw her in a street interview and was impressed. She talked about having Carney in finance and Freeland in foreign affairs. Sounds like a good team. Quote
PIK Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 4 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Don't know much about Karina Gould but saw her in a street interview and was impressed. She talked about having Carney in finance and Freeland in foreign affairs. Sounds like a good team. Same corrupted people running the Gov as before. Sorry you can put lipstick on pig, but it's still a pig. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Dougie93 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 7 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Canada has zero remaining legal ties the UK or the British Crown. 1982 took care of that. the Canada Act 1982 ; is the Post National State ; good luck with that /shrugs Quote
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