Good to see the UK get back on Track!

[CrazyCanuck89]

Labour with a majority win.  Conservatives had nothing to campaign on.  Reforms message didn't resonate.

[herbie]

What didn't 14 years of Conservative govt not botch completely.

[Michael Hardner]

Ummmm.... we are in a throw-the-bums-out turn... this means people get dumped out of office no matter what the party.  Musical chairs... and there's no music.  

[I am Groot]

The Conservatives spent the last 14 years not being conservative, and allowing government bureaucracy and deficits to run wild. The police spent far too much of their time hunting down people who dared to misgender people or said something rude on the internet and not nearly enough going after knife crime. The NHS is falling apart, burdened with massive bureaucracy the Tories showed no interest in cutting. They campaigned on limiting legal immigration to 100k a year and stopping illegal immigration. Instead, legal immigration grew to 700k a year and they did nothing about illegal immigration. The results of all this are similar to here: crime out of control, housing shortages and cost rises, and an overburdened healthcare system on the verge of collapse.

They didn't deserve to get in again. And their left-wing government made it much easier to vote in Labour on the assumption they probably couldn't get any further Left or be any more incompetent than the Tories.

I doubt it will help much, though. Labour are not the party to slash bureaucracy and regulation, especially when most of those bureaucrats are unionized. Nor are they likely to cut the deficit. 

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ummmm.... we are in a throw-the-bums-out turn... this means people get dumped out of office no matter what the party.  Musical chairs... and there's no music.  

3 terms and we throw them out... LOL

[herbie]

23 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The Conservatives spent the last 14 years not being conservative

They dragged their feet endlessly, stumbled over them when they did move, made the wrong choices at every opportunity/ How much more "conservative" can you get?

Tack on the absurd pandering to populism that wasn't...it was simply opinions of the loudest that ended with the Brexit disaster.

 

[I am Groot]

17 hours ago, herbie said:

They dragged their feet endlessly, stumbled over them when they did move, made the wrong choices at every opportunity/ How much more "conservative" can you get?

Tack on the absurd pandering to populism that wasn't...it was simply opinions of the loudest that ended with the Brexit disaster.

Pandering to populism? If so, it was the populism of the Left. It was under this government that speech restrictions grew to the point deadnaming someone or calling them by the wrong gender could get you arrested. It was under this government that law and order deteriorated and violent offenders got slaps on the wrists while police focused more and more on monitoring rude speech on Twitter and Facebook. It was under this government that cultural institutions funded by the government, be they museums, galleries, libraries, or universities wallowed in an orgy of decolonization and denigrating everything about British history and traditions.

What about any of that resembles pandering to the RIGHT?

[Venandi]

49 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

What about any of that resembles pandering to the RIGHT?

You beat me to it, I was (all too slowly) composing a similar question for similar reasons.

And who can forget the lady who got arrested for admitting to praying silently... in her head on a public street outside an abortion clinic.

The ability to negotiate and/or reach any meaningful compromise with this sort of ideology is futile IMO. For political agnostics with no party affiliation (preference might be a better word)... the people who want to vote for good ideas, tolerance and peaceful coexistence, the only option is to vote this madness out and crush it. 

It's like sacrificing a limb to gangrene, you may regret the need to do it, the price of doing it and the fallout from doing it but if left to fester, the disease itself will only get worse. From what I've seen on this forum alone, there's about as much negotiating latitude with gangrene as there is with the average progressive liberal. 

 

Edited July 7, 2024 by Venandi

[blackbird]

The Labour Party claims to have all the solutions, but I would take that with a grain of salt.

First of all just look at the word they use on their website, the title of their plan"

"Labour Party Manifesto"    Wow!   Does that ever sound an alarm!   Whenever the word "manifesto" is used beware.

It has the same ring as Communist Manifesto or Socialist Manifesto.

That is an ideologically driven agenda.

Change – The Labour Party

Sadly much of the population believe that government is like a father and can solve all problems and provide everything to everyone from cradle to grave.   Canada is suffering from the same problem.  Half of Canadians are reported to be supporters of Socialism.   Canada is actually quasi-Socialist now and it is costing Canadians big time.   That is one reason we have a cost of living crisis, housing crisis, and food costs crisis.  In the UK, the conservatives fell into that trap of believing government could solve everything and the population believed they should.  Government is just a reflection of what the population believes.  So there is no solution.  Everything will be downward.

Anything government does costs money, and a lot of money.  They have a tendency to waste vast amounts of money to do anything unfortunately.  When we look at the scandals in the Canadian government operations, we see this.  The arrivecan app that cost Canadians tens of millions of dollars to contract the creation of it.  And on it goes.

Edited July 7, 2024 by blackbird

[blackbird]

Part of Labour's plan to deal with the increasing number of stabbings:

"Every young person caught in possession of a knife will be referred to a Youth Offending Team and will receive a mandatory plan to prevent reoffending, with penalties including curfews, tagging, and custody for the most serious cases."

Does this really sound like a tough-on-crime approach?  Not really.  Is has the ring of a slap on the wrist which is the usual approach of the liberal, progressives in Canada.  Catch and release, catch and release is so common in Canada too.

Edited July 7, 2024 by blackbird

[PIK]

It's a house of cards , how long will they survive?

[ironstone]

On 7/5/2024 at 1:09 PM, CrazyCanuck89 said:

Labour with a majority win.  Conservatives had nothing to campaign on.  Reforms message didn't resonate.

I don't think there will be much difference except that Labour will likely be even worse than the Conservatives. They will stick with mass immigration for one thing.

Five pro-Palestinian MP's got elected. Some Muslims in the UK voted solely on a Muslim related issue. How about that?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-muslim-areas-mps-palestine-independents-london-general-election-results-b1168968.html

[CdnFox]

20 hours ago, herbie said:

They dragged their feet endlessly, stumbled over them when they did move, made the wrong choices at every opportunity/ How much more "conservative" can you get?

Tack on the absurd pandering to populism that wasn't...it was simply opinions of the loudest that ended with the Brexit disaster.

 

One of those rare cases where i tend to agree.  they became less and less conservative over time and just became a mush.  Scandal after scandal, policy after policy that was not conservative at all or was half assed in the worst way. 

The conservatives badly needed a reset. They need a time out to go back and really think about what they are, and pick a leader who can properly run it. 

Then they can come back and do a better job for the next 14 years    Every party needs  a bit of a reset from time to time. 

[herbie]

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Pandering to populism? If so, it was the populism of the Left.

Dimwit, Brexit was from referendum. Under a Tory govt that JUST LIKE YOU steered them into believing it wasn't about economics it was about something else like controlling their 'cultural identity' and 'migrant crisis'.

They f*cked themselves by letting the loudmouths misdirect them from actual issues and facts to damn 'social issues' which politicians cannot and have no right to control.

[I am Groot]

12 minutes ago, herbie said:

Dimwit, Brexit was from referendum. Under a Tory govt that JUST LIKE YOU steered them into believing it wasn't about economics it was about something else like controlling their 'cultural identity' and 'migrant crisis'.

They f*cked themselves by letting the loudmouths misdirect them from actual issues and facts to damn 'social issues' which politicians cannot and have no right to control.

You ignored everything I wrote so I'm going to assume you had no idea how to deal with it and instead focused on something else from some years back. Which is typical of a 'tard like you.

Brexit was a good idea that was gone about in the wrong way. And yes, it WAS about cultural identity and controlling their border. Only when they pulled out of the EU they remained under the European Human Rights Court, which basically bans deporting anyone to anywhere unpleasant. Thus they have been unable to control migrants. But they also made no effort to control legal immigration either, which destroyed them.

Edited July 7, 2024 by I am Groot

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, herbie said:

Dimwit, Brexit was from referendum. Under a Tory govt that JUST LIKE YOU steered them into believing it wasn't about economics it was about something else like controlling their 'cultural identity' and 'migrant crisis'.

Now  @I am Groot.....    we've asked you before to stop steering other countries into controlling their culture and migrant crisis's.  If you want to interfere with other countries just invade poland like everybody else. Bad Groot! That's a bad Groot! (spritz spritz!)

 

LOL - i get blamed for a lot around here but even i've never managed to get blamed for an entire nation telling the EU to stuff it  well done  

[-TSS-]

Even though otherwise the FPTP-system is broken I like the thing how the election was on Thursday and the opposition won the election and the opposition-leader became PM on Friday. Less than 24h after the polls had closed.

Bring on PR and there would be weeks of negotiations over a coalition-government.

[Dougie93]

On 7/5/2024 at 3:02 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Ummmm.... we are in a throw-the-bums-out turn... this means people get dumped out of office no matter what the party.  Musical chairs... and there's no music.  

Labour has no solutions to the Tories problems

the Tories already tried all of Labour's solutions, with predicable results

the entire political class has actually lost control long ago

thus the question is only, once Labour catastrophically fails, what radical movement will rise to power in the wake ?

 

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

 

thus the question is only, once Labour catastrophically fails, what radical movement will rise to power in the wake ?

 

All of this applies to Canada too.

[Iceni warrior]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

The Labour Party claims to have all the solutions, but I would take that with a grain of salt.

First of all just look at the word they use on their website, the title of their plan"

"Labour Party Manifesto"    Wow!   Does that ever sound an alarm!   Whenever the word "manifesto" is used beware.

It has the same ring as Communist Manifesto or Socialist Manifesto.

That is an ideologically driven agenda.

Change – The Labour Party

Sadly much of the population believe that government is like a father and can solve all problems and provide everything to everyone from cradle to grave.   Canada is suffering from the same problem.  Half of Canadians are reported to be supporters of Socialism.   Canada is actually quasi-Socialist now and it is costing Canadians big time.   That is one reason we have a cost of living crisis, housing crisis, and food costs crisis.  In the UK, the conservatives fell into that trap of believing government could solve everything and the population believed they should.  Government is just a reflection of what the population believes.  So there is no solution.  Everything will be downward.

Anything government does costs money, and a lot of money.  They have a tendency to waste vast amounts of money to do anything unfortunately.  When we look at the scandals in the Canadian government operations, we see this.  The arrivecan app that cost Canadians tens of millions of dollars to contract the creation of it.  And on it goes.

Ahem, all parties use the word manifesto and have always done so.

Quote

A manifesto is a written declaration of the intentions, motives, or views of the issuer, be it an individual, group, political party, or government.

It is derived from the Italian word manifesto, itself derived from the Latin manifestum, meaning clear or conspicuous. Its first recorded use in English is from 1620

 

[Iceni warrior]

32 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Labour has no solutions to the Tories problems

the Tories already tried all of Labour's solutions, with predicable results

the entire political class has actually lost control long ago

thus the question is only, once Labour catastrophically fails, what radical movement will rise to power in the wake ?

 

Meh, we don't do radical old bean.

Not since 1945 and the creation of the NHS.

Even after the Thatcher regime we went Tory wet with Sir John Major and then Tory light with New Labour.

This latest 'Nu Labour' is just another Tory light government.

The only bright thing that has happened is that I have a shiny new Green Party MP in my constituency.

The Lib Dems and their legalise pot pledge got over 70 MPs but with Labour having a huge majority of 172 seats nobody else will have any power or influence for at least 5 years.

It's just going to be more of the same austerity government with the only change being a different boot on our neck.

 

 

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Not since 1945

it's all relative, old bean

take for example the Poll Tax Riots

that would be the most violent revolution in Canadian history if it ever occurred here

 

[Iceni warrior]

That wasn't a reaction to some 'woke Bolsheviks' getting elected though was it.

In fact it made little difference which party was in power to the Provo's.

Nothing like the far right reaction you are hoping for because the electorate threw the failed and corrupt Tories out.

 

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Iceni warrior said:

That wasn't a reaction to some 'woke Bolsheviks' getting elected though was it.

In fact it made little difference which party was in power to the Provo's.

Nothing like the far right reaction you are hoping for because the electorate threw the failed and corrupt Tories out.

 

only you see the opposition as being "far right"

since you are a leftist lunatic

but in actual fact, Winston Churchill makes Nigel Farage look like a Socialist

[Iceni warrior]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

only you see the opposition as being "far right"

since you are a leftist lunatic

but in actual fact, Winston Churchill makes Nigel Farage look like a Socialist

Manfrog isn't the opposition no matter how many times he says he is. Reform is just a protest vote resulting in less than 1% of the seats in Parliament. All of which will most likely get booted out in 5 years.

The swivel eyed loon is just a wannabe.

 

Edited July 7, 2024 by Iceni warrior