Another example of why their is no dialogue in Canada with the left.

[myata]

On 9/19/2023 at 4:08 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

But gay teens are real, right? There has to be some accommodation with that reality? 

Do we have to teach in schools that people come in at least two genders? I think the best the society, school included, can do is to treat is as normal. Nothing to be hated, and not a cause to celebrate. Just another normal school kids. Then, humans have brains and should be able to figure it out. It's just not something governments should get themselves into. Outside of anything illegal of course.

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The idea that having a Pride flag, or accommodation of diverse backgrounds is "left" is ridiculous.  The centre is pretty ok with most of this.

The marchers today make extreme claims, and then hold up the most extreme demands of some LGBTQ supporters as evidence of extremism.

Dialogue must be prioritized over protest and fighting.  The marchers are actually against Trudeau in this issue.  Why?  Who knows.  The Federal government has little to do with this compared to local and provincial government.  They also accuse teachers of taking it upon themselves to convince kids they're LGBTQ and accuse them of being pedophiles and groomers.

They use terms like battle and war, and evoke religious wars also.

Counter protest?  Absolutely.  They can see how much support for LGBTQ rights there really are.

 

Thats a pretty big claim Michael, the entire center is ok with this, is that the left of center, or right of center.... when traditional this issue has been supported by the left, meaning Liberal, NDP, how many LGBTQ people do you know that are conservatives... would it be a few, or some, or most....

Each province is protesting for different reasons as LGBTQ rights differ from province to province, most of the parent protestors are not protesting LGBTQ rights at all, but rather what is being taught in our education system, or in NB case the right for parents to be informed of when their child changes pronouns or gender names, i mean wow to much to ask right....very extreme stuff. 

There is no more dialogue in this nation, even at the highest levels ever watch them in parliament... it is who ever has the larger lobby group and money the LGBTQ seem to have both, i mean for making up less than 2 % of the population they have an over whelming voice...

The federal government has been on media and reinforces the idea that the protestors are being lead by the far right and in some cases racist...how is that not playing a role in this...have you been asleep during these events...

This is the first really protests of this nature in this country of this scale, why do you think that is...becasue Canadians are getting tired of what our school system as incorporated into the lesson plans. getting tired of having their questions shouted down, or accused of violence while trying to discuss it at school boards, or with government MP's. This is not going away, it is only going to get bigger....

It is really to bad that we can not sit at a table as you suggested and talk, and compromise, but neither side is going to both sides feel it is a battle of what to expose their children to, the other sees it as raw violence that needs to be put down hard...

 

[Nefarious Banana]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Do we have to teach in schools that people come in at least two genders? I think the best the society, school included, can do is to treat is as normal. Nothing to be hated, and not a cause to celebrate. Just another normal school kids. Then, humans have brains and should be able to figure it out. It's just not something governments should get themselves into. Outside of anything illegal of course.

Is math taught in school anymore?  Can the kid working weekends/after school at McD's figure out his paycheck?  Can that same kid write/spell/ phrase properly?  Can any of those students walk down the sidewalk without bumping into another person because their total attention is on line looking at a picture of what student X had for lunch?   

And now all the bullsh!t LBGQUPYOURSXYZ.  WTF is going on in this country ??

[Army Guy]

20 hours ago, herbie said:

That's what I said. I can't even imagine a teacher not mentioning it to a parent. But a law requiring they do? Overboard.

It was school board policy not to inform any of the parents of anything regarding children and gender / name changes... it was a bunch of Concerned parents that wrote letters to have this one amendment change....not sure why this is some gross misconduct by the premier, on children...The parents want to be kept inform about their children...i know a foreign concept for a few on here...

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I’ve no objection to any of that either way. However, I suspect ‘Jewish Month’ might be a better way to put what you don’t want there. 

If they declared Jewish month, can you imagine the Chud backlash.  They would start demanding crosses in the classroom...

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

And now all the bullsh!t LBGQUPYOURSXYZ.  WTF is going on in this country ??

The same thing that happened when boys started sporting ponytails, girls wore pants, and everyone started dancing like negros.

[Army Guy]

10 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Seems you are talking about an issue in NB and in your school district in particular.

A PM (no matter which political party) will always say the least offensive thing about everything.

I think you are assuming only the "left" (whomever that is actually) are stupid and woke (whatever that is). "Right" wingers can be stupid and woke too. Even middle of the roaders are capable of being fools. People are people with varied opinions and change their perspectives all the time.

Everyone has opinions about everything, some "left" some "right" some middling and that is fine but to put things in a left/right bucket is not becoming to you.

No this issue is covering the entire province of NB...with Saskatchewan following suit with a few more twists.

Bullshit, where do you think this PM stands with the parents, or the LGBTQ community and has he painted them like he does with other groups he does agree with...

Who is the left, well right now that would the Liberals, NDP, and green parties.... anyone would say they are not the brightest bulbs in the pack, just take a look at the liberals new housing or food prices approach and you'll quickly get the point... Even the NDP voters will say Justin is woke, inter national media call him that all the time...

Yes anyone can be a wee bit stupid, but this government takes it to a new level...and if you want to challenge that then I'm all ears...but from where i am sitting this current government has left pretty much everything in shambles...

Will the conservative fair out any better, who knows right now, but i have been very vocal on the conservatives short falls in the past...The liberals seem to have only shortfalls...

Not becoming why ?, people have heard enough about liberal mistakes, or they are human and therefore make mistakes all the time......why is it wrong to point out mistakes or dump them in the containers that i think they belong, and if i get them wrong your free to point that out... I don't think i have ever shouted down someone else opinion, or thoughts, nor have i grabbed ahold of the far right like a life jacket, and embraced those conspiracies...

 

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, Nexii said:

Sex is recorded at birth on your birth certificate, not your gender. 

Though yes, I've said elsewhere our system is complete nonsense. You have to get your sex retroactively (and incorrectly) re-written on your birth certificate in order to get gender markers on everything else changed. It's because sex/gender get conflated into one thing, when they aren't the same thing.

If some adults are unaware of the various definitions, how are kids supposed to know?

If you tell a boy that they can become "a woman", do they think that they can become a biological mom or do they know that they'll just have their junk cut off and end up with a pseudogina & no possibility of ever having children of their own? 

Gender reassignment isn't a subject to be taken lightly. It's not something that should be handled by people who don't actually love the person whom they're providing guidance to. It's literally the biggest decision that A FAMILY can make. 

Interference by an activist with a B.Ed. won't be tolerated by a lot of people, nor should it be. 

[Nexii]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If some adults are unaware of the various definitions, how are kids supposed to know?

If you tell a boy that they can become "a woman", do they think that they can become a biological mom or do they know that they'll just have their junk cut off and end up with a pseudogina & no possibility of ever having children of their own? 

Gender reassignment isn't a subject to be taken lightly. It's not something that should be handled by people who don't actually love the person whom they're providing guidance to. It's literally the biggest decision that A FAMILY can make. 

Interference by an activist with a B.Ed. won't be tolerated by a lot of people, nor should it be. 

Never was under any illusions that sex change surgery meant you could birth children.

The thing is, if you're actually trans you learn these things yourself at a young age. You'll read what you need to know off the Internet. Schools are kind of a red herring in all this to be honest. 

 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Nexii said:

Never was under any illusions that sex change surgery meant you could birth children.

Are you kidding me right now?

There are adults who swear that men menstruate, that they can have babies, etc. If adults believe it, of course some children do. 

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The thing is, if you're actually trans you learn these things yourself at a young age. You'll read what you need to know off the Internet. Schools are kind of a red herring in all this to be honest. 

Learn off the internet... In grade 3, while your school guidance counsellor is pushing for you to go all the way....

"The dad who gave birth" https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/20/the-dad-who-gave-birth-pregnant-trans-freddy-mcconnell

[Guest]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There are adults who swear that men menstruate, that they can have babies, etc. If adults believe it, of course some children do. 

I have seen countless videos of men who stated they were having menstrual cramps. 

Real talk, they likely just needed to take a s***. That stomach discomfort is called digestion.

Some stated that they could lactate.

Am sure you've seen the trans couple, with a trans woman devastated as she is trying to legit breastfeed a baby, and no milk is coming out o_O.

This is laughable and ridiculous to any sane people, but being gaslit by activists and even the government, has many believing these kinds of things as fact.

I know teachers who proudly teach and encourage kids to be queer.

Nothing wrong with being queer.

Its pushing things like gender ideology on children, that will be a hill many parents will be willing to die on.

Trudeau is bringing in 500k immigrants a year. Many of which, come from highly conservative countries.

This voice will only grow more deafening, and will be an issue that will require to be listened to.

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, Nexii said:

 Schools are kind of a red herring in all this to be honest. 

 

I've never heard that.  Can you clarify how you know that?  What's your experience with this issue?

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

This voice will only grow more deafening, and will be an issue that will require to be listened to.

Until it completely subverts our liberal society.

[Nationalist]

On 9/19/2023 at 5:43 PM, ExFlyer said:

Why is everything down to left and right.

Why can people not just have opinions or beliefs or thoughts about something and not making it political?

This blaming left or right shit is being very narrow minded and bigoted. People can believe one thing and can have different opinions on another and, believe it or not, are not politically driven.

I sometimes argue with CdnFox... and sometimes agree with him...am I ambidextrous or left or right or just have a mind of my own and do not follow the crowd?

I can fully understand a person not liking the present government and their leader but that does not mean everyone that agrees with one or 2 policies is left. You, Army Guy, were once a very middle of the road kind of person that could hold a discussion but you have lately become one of those where everything is left or right politically.

Here's the ingredient of this left/right thing that I see you missing. 

Nobody wants minority beliefs choked down their throats.

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, Army Guy said:

No this issue is covering the entire province of NB...with Saskatchewan following suit with a few more twists.

Bullshit, where do you think this PM stands with the parents, or the LGBTQ community and has he painted them like he does with other groups he does agree with...

Who is the left, well right now that would the Liberals, NDP, and green parties.... anyone would say they are not the brightest bulbs in the pack, just take a look at the liberals new housing or food prices approach and you'll quickly get the point... Even the NDP voters will say Justin is woke, inter national media call him that all the time...

Yes anyone can be a wee bit stupid, but this government takes it to a new level...and if you want to challenge that then I'm all ears...but from where i am sitting this current government has left pretty much everything in shambles...

Will the conservative fair out any better, who knows right now, but i have been very vocal on the conservatives short falls in the past...The liberals seem to have only shortfalls...

Not becoming why ?, people have heard enough about liberal mistakes, or they are human and therefore make mistakes all the time......why is it wrong to point out mistakes or dump them in the containers that i think they belong, and if i get them wrong your free to point that out... I don't think i have ever shouted down someone else opinion, or thoughts, nor have i grabbed ahold of the far right like a life jacket, and embraced those conspiracies...

 

I see PP singing the same tunes as Trudeau so....

But your NB government is conservative so, are they on the left now too?

I will not challenge anything but I will say, they are only stupid to those that oppose their policies or methods. That is my middle of the road response. Some like them, some don't.

I think all parties (exception may be NDP because they never have a plan) are the same right now as they all play the non offending populist game.

Nothing wrong with pointing out mistakes but, mistakes according to you. My comment about you was that you used to be quite "middle of the road" and your reasoned comments but lately you are very much right leaning. I cannot and never will point out anyone is wrong as the opinions are very much theirs.

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Here's the ingredient of this left/right thing that I see you missing. 

Nobody wants minority beliefs choked down their throats.

Not missing anything. There are as many right weenies as left weenies. Being non offensive is the ting to be.

Waaaay too late for that LOL

Majority rule is and has been a myth for decades.

[Nexii]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I've never heard that.  Can you clarify how you know that?  What's your experience with this issue?

Endless information if you look for it out there. Even in the 90s that was the case. And I don't mean the recent trend of weird woke articles paid for god knows who. I mean medical / educational type literature. It's not like transsexuality is anything new to humanity, it's always existed. 

Sometimes I wonder if the viewpoint of there being three genders causes less strife. That seems to be more the norm historically, modern Western culture is an anomaly if anything. 

 

[Nationalist]

49 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Not missing anything. There are as many right weenies as left weenies. Being non offensive is the ting to be.

Waaaay too late for that LOL

Majority rule is and has been a myth for decades.

Then I guess its past time to re-institute majority rule.

[ExFlyer]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Then I guess its past time to re-institute majority rule.

Long past LOL

[Michael Hardner]

19 minutes ago, Nexii said:

Endless information if you look for it out there. Even in the 90s that was the case. And I don't mean the recent trend of weird woke articles paid for god knows who. I mean medical / educational type literature. It's not like transsexuality is anything new to humanity, it's always existed. 

Sometimes I wonder if the viewpoint of there being three genders causes less strife. That seems to be more the norm historically, modern Western culture is an anomaly if anything. 

 

Interesting again.  What's your experience?  Are you personally involved with trans folks?

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Long past LOL

Explain to Chuds Why they DON'T want that.

[PIK]

I understand a lot of gay people are embarrassed by the actions of the LGBTQ.  They have come along way in the last 40 yrs. Now they are going to slide backwards with their in your face attitudes. 

[Nexii]

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Interesting again.  What's your experience?  Are you personally involved with trans folks?

Explain to Chuds Why they DON'T want that.

I mean I am trans, if it wasn't hinted at strongly from other comments, there you have it

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, Nexii said:

I mean I am trans, if it wasn't hinted at strongly from other comments, there you have it

I guess I have to ask, why should I care?

If you were not advertising it, how would I know?

Same goes for being gay. I don't care and if I wasn't constantly bombarded buy parades, months of and whining, how would I know and why should I care what you do with your sexual life?

There you have it.

[Nexii]

6 minutes ago, PIK said:

I understand a lot of gay people are embarrassed by the actions of the LGBTQ.  They have come along way in the last 40 yrs. Now they are going to slide backwards with their in your face attitudes. 

I don't disagree with that. Some seem to always want to be an 'other' or 'activist' for life rather than just live life and move on. Yes the past sucks but you really have to just move on. I liken it to a sort of religion. 

I definitely did not score as a 'Zealous Activist' on that Angus Reid poll, lol. 

[Aristides]

I find it hard to believe that a kid could come out at school and insist on a certain pronoun without their parents finding out about it whether the school informs them or not.