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4 hours ago, herbie said:

Thump your chests in pride and roar. Who needs to discuss a subject when Yale can just accuse the Harvard Debating team of being leftists and walk out cheering the big WIN...

Holy shit  i think i broke him :)   Kid - put a drool bib on, get your crap together and try to look like you're NOT freaking out :)

I guess that's your way of saying i was right and that the post was in context, appropriate and not 'whataboutism" :)  

And you bear about as much resemblance to the harvard debate team as a snail does to hawking :)  ROFLMAO - geez kid, get it together. You're a mess!

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On 9/6/2023 at 6:05 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

acid rain,

Acid rain was a real problem and bi-partisan government action put a stop to it without making it political. The Reagan-Bush administrations partnered with Brian Mulroney to sign the Acid Rain Accord with Canada. Of course that was back in 1980s before mega corporations owned the political right wing parties of western nations. 

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7 hours ago, herbie said:

What a poor response. The govt did something about it, that's why we're still here. Or are you rehashing the stupid argument that the people who weren't chickenshit of a little needle were the fools?
Arguing that they're doing the wrong thing is fine - arguing doing nothing about it is plain wrong.

There is a long list of things the government did that was slow, or just plain stupid, collaborating with china for a vaccine ya that was smart, shutting down the country off to outside travel was way to late, dividing the people over the whole issue was stupid.... there is so many more.....but you already know that, The needle thing did not count for squat, the country was way past the 90% mark and we were still in lock downs...This was not our first pandemic we have been though ...and we were not prepared...still are not prepared. I know in one ear out the other...I'm posting this for my pet hamster to read, becasue he has got more common sense than any plan developed  by the liberals, or liberal voters.

Y2K was one big scare that never even became an issue, billions of wasted dollars, experts said this is going to be bad.... same as climate change , yes we are all saying out loud, it is real, but we are not prepared to spend the kind of money that is required to make a difference...., and the plan we have today was printed on used shit paper...That produces torture to those middle class and lower class Canadians, it produces no to little results. the difference between the left and the right is the right know the plan is crap, the left are content atleast it is a plan...we don't care if it works, take my money i'm happy to take it in the bum and do my part of "nothing". 

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16 hours ago, Army Guy said:

There is a long list of things the government did that was slow, or just plain stupid, collaborating with china for a vaccine ya that was smart, shutting down the country off to outside travel was way to late, dividing the people over the whole issue was stupid.... there is so many more.....but you already know that, The needle thing did not count for squat, the country was way past the 90% mark and we were still in lock downs...This was not our first pandemic we have been though ...and we were not prepared...still are not prepared. I know in one ear out the other...I'm posting this for my pet hamster to read, becasue he has got more common sense than any plan developed  by the liberals, or liberal voters.

Y2K was one big scare that never even became an issue, billions of wasted dollars, experts said this is going to be bad.... same as climate change , yes we are all saying out loud, it is real, but we are not prepared to spend the kind of money that is required to make a difference...., and the plan we have today was printed on used shit paper...That produces torture to those middle class and lower class Canadians, it produces no to little results. the difference between the left and the right is the right know the plan is crap, the left are content atleast it is a plan...we don't care if it works, take my money i'm happy to take it in the bum and do my part of "nothing". 

Y2K wasn't an issue because companies spent billions upgrading their software to account for it. 

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5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Y2K wasn't an issue because companies spent billions upgrading their software to account for it. 

Utterly untrue.

Some spent money but not much, and in many cases there was no way to do upgrades.  It was a hardware issue. You siply couldn't replace all the hardware.

The fact is it was thought to be a big problem, but it turned out it was not. And that was largely known before new years. Companies knew that the machines would keep working, planes would still fly, turbines would still produce power. But the media kept running with it, hyping it up, finding the occasional 'expert' who said it might be worse than we think, yadda yadda - tv shows had live broadcasts from around the world to see if everything fell apart.

It was the biggest yawn since geraldo cracked open capone's  'vault'.

And thats normal. The media takes things and blows them up into a story. 

So people are naturally suspicious.

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Hey let's get back on track, This is about climate. Drawing comparisons to how the govt handled or should have handled Covid is only relevant to the Negative Nellies who will never be convinced govt can do anything right.

Yeah, they started too late. Yeah, no one likes paying tax. No, alternative energy isn't necessarily more expensive. Yes carbon taxes and recycling fees work to an extent, you think about the cost and most of us reduced our driving and don't toss beer cans out the window.

Give us some alternatives, PP & the Tories sure as hell can't.

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1 minute ago, herbie said:

Hey let's get back on track, This is about climate. Drawing comparisons to how the govt handled or should have handled Covid is only relevant to the Negative Nellies who will never be convinced govt can do anything right.

"JUST BECAUSE THE GOV"T MISHANDLED A BUNCH OF OTHER ISSUES THEY CLAIMED WERE SUPER IMPORTANT DOESN"T MEAN WE SHOULDN"T TRUST THEM BLINDLY NOW!!!!"

-every leftist, probably.

Sorry - track record does matter.

And you lying about it doesn't help.  Sorry - carbon taxes don't work. We've had 15 years plus to watch it in bc and even the climate doomsdayers have given up defending it.  The federal one has done nothing either.  Nothing. Emissions are shooting up.

The latest polls show the vast majority of the population has realized it doesn't work. 

And it can't work.  If you think about it for just a minute the only way it CAN work is if it drives the economy into utter ruin. Otherwise it doesn't work.  It does put a tonne of money into the pockets of the gov't tho.

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4 hours ago, Aristides said:

Y2K wasn't an issue because companies spent billions upgrading their software to account for it. 

Y2K was a disaster, companies, and government spent untold billions to fight a problem that really was not there. even after all that money was spent they still did not know what was going to happen the next day.. RCMP , military, were all told to be on 24 hours notice to move....in case something happened...For instance in the military not all soft ware or hardware was replaced, we were told not to use it until it could be tested... it worked fine the next day...how many millions of Canadians had home computers that did not have any upgrades and yet the next day everything worked fine... 

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2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Y2K was a disaster, companies, and government spent untold billions to fight a problem that really was not there. even after all that money was spent they still did not know what was going to happen the next day.. RCMP , military, were all told to be on 24 hours notice to move....in case something happened...For instance in the military not all soft ware or hardware was replaced, we were told not to use it until it could be tested... it worked fine the next day...how many millions of Canadians had home computers that did not have any upgrades and yet the next day everything worked fine... 

How do you know it wasn't there, it depended on the programs they were using. Because the actions that were taken were effective, that doesn't mean they weren't necessary. Same goes for Covid.

You didn't need to do anything to your home computers because your operating system had been updated by its maker.

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4 hours ago, herbie said:

Hey let's get back on track, This is about climate. Drawing comparisons to how the govt handled or should have handled Covid is only relevant to the Negative Nellies who will never be convinced govt can do anything right.

Yeah, they started too late. Yeah, no one likes paying tax. No, alternative energy isn't necessarily more expensive. Yes carbon taxes and recycling fees work to an extent, you think about the cost and most of us reduced our driving and don't toss beer cans out the window.

Give us some alternatives, PP & the Tories sure as hell can't.

I guess thats why after carbon emissions have gone up, people are still driving around like it is 1999, and the party is just getting started...with emissions up i guess it is all them cow farts that are driving up emissions.. becasue like you said MOST of you people have reduced driving....Ya i know those facts can not be explained...it's tough for you to realize that Justin carbon pricing is doing nothing to fight climate change...how could it, according to the liberal the average family in Canada will get more back than they paid at the pumps...Liberal lies....

 

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3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

How do you know it wasn't there, it depended on the programs they were using. Because the actions that were taken were effective, that doesn't mean they weren't necessary. Same goes for Covid.

You didn't need to do anything to your home computers because your operating system had been updated by its maker.

My point is if they were so effective why was the RCMP and Military placed on short notice to move to combat what they thought would be total electronic loss of everything, from banks to government...they had no idea they conquered this thing until the next day...

There are so many holes in the covid response it is hard to say with any degree of accuracy that the liberals covid response was successful...It was best guess, and just throw money at it, until it stops bleeding...maybe i was in a different dimension than you experienced...

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24 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

My point is if they were so effective why was the RCMP and Military placed on short notice to move to combat what they thought would be total electronic loss of everything, from banks to government...they had no idea they conquered this thing until the next day...

There are so many holes in the covid response it is hard to say with any degree of accuracy that the liberals covid response was successful...It was best guess, and just throw money at it, until it stops bleeding...maybe i was in a different dimension than you experienced...

 

Because in both cases we were experiencing something completely new and didn't know what the ramifications could be. 

 

What would have been your measure of success?

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15 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

Because in both cases we were experiencing something completely new and didn't know what the ramifications could be. 

 

What would have been your measure of success?

Y2K , the night before was most likely a sleepless night for most in a position of power , me and my company spent it sleeping on the vehicle hanger floor waiting for that phone call...that never came...

measure of success, praying to god that everything worked out as in Y2K is by no means a measure of success, they got lucky...

Covid, there is just to many mistakes made by federal, provincial government to list...and in the end well over 700 bil was spent, with bils upon bils unaccounted for...shit all you had to do was apply and you received a nice check for staying at home...lets not mention sending our PP&E to china, giving China funding for a vaccine that was to smart, then paying top dollar to a European company to give us limited access...on top of that we learned some valuable lessons, like life saving medical machines, and our own medicine supply was in jeopardy, still is today....our emergency preparedness shelves are bare, still are...i have not even touched on all the mistakes made...and there is lots of them... did we survive, sure we did, but at what cost, a convoy, a huge hit to our economy, our dollar, 700 plus billion dollars spent on stupid stuff...sorry thats not success, thats getting lucky once again...

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51 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Y2K , the night before was most likely a sleepless night for most in a position of power , me and my company spent it sleeping on the vehicle hanger floor waiting for that phone call...that never came...

measure of success, praying to god that everything worked out as in Y2K is by no means a measure of success, they got lucky...

Covid, there is just to many mistakes made by federal, provincial government to list...and in the end well over 700 bil was spent, with bils upon bils unaccounted for...shit all you had to do was apply and you received a nice check for staying at home...lets not mention sending our PP&E to china, giving China funding for a vaccine that was to smart, then paying top dollar to a European company to give us limited access...on top of that we learned some valuable lessons, like life saving medical machines, and our own medicine supply was in jeopardy, still is today....our emergency preparedness shelves are bare, still are...i have not even touched on all the mistakes made...and there is lots of them... did we survive, sure we did, but at what cost, a convoy, a huge hit to our economy, our dollar, 700 plus billion dollars spent on stupid stuff...sorry thats not success, thats getting lucky once again...

Hindsight is always perfect. Any id iot can do it.

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On 9/6/2023 at 2:21 PM, taxme said:

It's all just propaganda, folks. There has been 1600 scientists and 7 top economists that have said that a climate crisis does not exist. It's all just a fraud. All this nonsense about all of this dangerous carbon in the air is a lie. The more carbon in the air the more plant life will grow and survive which is great for we humans because plants give off oxygen which helps keep we humans alive. Without carbon plants or humans or animals would not be here. 

While the west tries to impose carbon taxes to tries to stop all carbon emissions, in China, they are building more and more coal powered plants. So, why we taxpayer's in the west have to sacrifice our normal lives and pay carbon taxes to fight climate change, the Chinese  just keep adding more carbon in the air. 

This climate crisis is all about the money, like everything else is in life. When our politicians and the lying and fake MSM try and push an agenda, like with climate change crisis today, one should know by now that it has to be all bullshit. When was the last time our politicians and the MSM told the truth about anything, except what they want we the sheeple to believe? 

I do not believe in a climate crisis and neither should you. There are many scammers out there making plenty of money off this climate crisis scam. Al Gore being one of them. Gore hav mad millions trying to get people all up in a panic over nothing, and make plenty of dollars from it. Yet, these same liar like Gore refuse to heed their own warnings and words. Gore will still fly by private jet, drive big gas guzzling SUV'S and own several homes. These liars laugh at those who believe their lies. 

Come on people, wake the hell up, will you. Stop listening to those liars. They are just trying to make big bucks off of trying to scare you half to death. 

What say you? 

Source: The Iron Will Report. ☺️

 

  They're using that too to distract people from things seriously going wrong in Canada - from corruption, housing shortages, problems with influx of refugees, inflation, increasing poverty, CARBON TAX,  violence on our streets, etc..,

 

Not to mention, Trudeau is down in the polls, so scaring people about the climate............could do the trick to bounce him up again.

 

Biden won, because of covid fear.  Trudeau won the last time, because of covid fear.

FEAR-MONGERING worked well for them before.

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7 hours ago, betsy said:

 

  They're using that too to distract people from things seriously going wrong in Canada - from corruption, housing shortages, problems with influx of refugees, inflation, increasing poverty, CARBON TAX,  violence on our streets, etc..,

 

Not to mention, Trudeau is down in the polls, so scaring people about the climate............could do the trick to bounce him up again.

 

Biden won, because of covid fear.  Trudeau won the last time, because of covid fear.

FEAR-MONGERING worked well for them before.

Fear and division has what he's been about EVERY election. Before he weaponized covid in the last one it was all about 'conservatives will make abortion illegal", which is such a massive crock it's not even funny. Hell - going back to harper they've pulled this - "Soldiers. In our streets. We're not making this up."

But i think you're right - the people aren't going to care about that nearly as much when they can't afford to live.  Climate change is a wealthy nation's' problem.

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On 9/7/2023 at 6:30 AM, Deluge said:

There is no climate change. ;)

Ya, tell that to all  people who can no longer get home insurance or a mortgage because insurance companies have pulled out of areas that have become much riskier to insure because of more severe weather. Insurance companies look at nothing but risk, ideology or politics don't matter.

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This thread started with an allegation about climate change and has rapidly moved on to Canadian politics. Let’s go back to the claims made in the OP. Firstly, please provide a link  that names these 1600 scientists (I don’t care what an economist thinks about it ) and what their relevant areas of expertise are. 

On 9/8/2023 at 12:12 AM, BeaverFever said:

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Clearly, it was all Trudeau’s fault. 

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21 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Ya, tell that to all  people who can no longer get home insurance or a mortgage because insurance companies have pulled out of areas that have become much riskier to insure because of more severe weather. Insurance companies look at nothing but risk, ideology or politics don't matter.

You’re just a fact-based fanatic. 

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20 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Ya, tell that to all  people who can no longer get home insurance or a mortgage because insurance companies have pulled out of areas that have become much riskier to insure because of more severe weather. Insurance companies look at nothing but risk, ideology or politics don't matter.

I'll be happy too: "HEY DUMBASSES! WHY DON'T YOU MOVE TO WHERE YOUR INSURANCE PROVIDERS ACTUALLY DO BUSINESS?". 

I hope that helps...

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2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I'll be happy too: "HEY DUMBASSES! WHY DON'T YOU MOVE TO WHERE YOUR INSURANCE PROVIDERS ACTUALLY DO BUSINESS?". 

I hope that helps...

Where will that be a year of two from now? Are you suggesting everyone (over 22 million)  move out of Florida?

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