Climate crisis is a farce.

[herbie]

The Blockheads sing their same song agina

But China, China, China... while we're talking about CANADA.

Did you know China produce twice the greenhouse gas as the USA? And has almost 3 1/2 times the population. Making the USA the worst. That China is implementing alternatives at a much faster rate than anyone else?
Or that the exported BC & AB coal is mainly burned for steel making, not for coal fired electrical plants? No, of course not, all the MSM sources are lies.

 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

You think the province will lower it's tax because maybe the feds will? Hah...

Yep.  In fact there's a good chance they'll ditch it

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Not everyone thinks the govt can get along with less money, but they can't themselves. Even as they psychotically swear they can do a better job than govt can at everything.

Yeah - you're getting to that point where you don't make sense any more. Try to calm down and start again.

 

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No, it was the provinces that stubbornly resisted implementing their own carbon tax that already slit their own throats. Grovelling hand in hand for handouts on every damn thing else. Perpetuating the money in your left pocket is different from the money in your right pocket myth.

You're not related to myata by any chance,,     

Welp - looks like we broke you for the day. Go to sleep and see if  you can be coherent in the morning.

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, herbie said:

The Blockheads sing their same song agina

But China, China, China... while we're talking about CANADA.

Did you know China produce twice the greenhouse gas as the USA? And has almost 3 1/2 times the population. Making the USA the worst. That China is implementing alternatives at a much faster rate than anyone else?
Or that the exported BC & AB coal is mainly burned for steel making, not for coal fired electrical plants? No, of course not, all the MSM sources are lies.

 

Perhaps the left talking heads can explain , just what are our "Canada's" climate change plan is actually accomplishing, have we met any of our signed goals? have we even come close? are we making a difference in the global fight? 

I know all tough questions, but all the left seem to be able to do is deflect from their poor climate plan and change the channel...The real answer here is nether side is really serious about climate change, or we would have demanded a new plan be put in place...I say put your money were your mouth is, do something about climate change or STFU. Do what Canadians do best, do nothing and lecture the world about it... 

[herbie]

You cut your hydro bill to $60 a month? Shopping for a hybrid CUV? Driving less overall? Turned your furnace down to 20C? Buy local fruits & veggies, get meat from a local shop that doesn't ship animals to Alberta for slaughter and all the way back in plastic wrap?
Surfing this forum on a laptop or Raspberry Pi instead of a 1200W "gaming" PC? Bring your beer cans back for the deposit?

Then you already are.

 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

You cut your hydro bill to $60 a month? Shopping for a hybrid CUV? Driving less overall? Turned your furnace down to 20C? Buy local fruits & veggies, get meat from a local shop that doesn't ship animals to Alberta for slaughter and all the way back in plastic wrap?

Turns out none of that's possible for the average person. 

Thats what the whole concept was predicated on.  But to use the terms economists do, turns out energy costs aren't that 'elastic'.

People still need power. People can't afford a brand new car. People still need to get to work and get their groceries. People don't want to freeze in the winter and turning the furnace down a degree or two makes no noticeable difference. And people were already buying local if they could - those prices go up too.

Sorry but you're entirely full of shit.  And the results show it.  People have done all they could and now they're watering the milk and skipping meals so their kids can eat becasue they still need to go to work and heat their homes.

I guess you can tell an old couple that they can't afford air conditioning in the summer when it's hot. Well over 500 people in bc died a couple of summers ago trying to save money like you want them to.  Pretty harsh price to pay.

This is the problem with lefties and liberals.  Your solution is always 'let them eat cake.'

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Perhaps the left talking heads can explain , just what are our "Canada's" climate change plan is actually accomplishing,

You just have to rub it in don't you?

As I've pointed out many times over the years around here you guys have long since won the war against climate change action.  You should be celebrating your success but you're still whining.

But what does an old hippy in the rain forest know right?  Well, after 50 years of living in one I've never seen so many dead and dying cedar trees. They're turning brownish red everywhere you look.  A couple of my neighbours wells have gone dry the last few days. I've never even heard of that ever happening around here never mind living to see it.

There's no evidence of there ever having been a wildfire in the west coast's fog zone - fingers crossed it stays that way but if this place does go up, its going to be epic.

[blackbird]

20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You just have to rub it in don't you?

As I've pointed out many times over the years around here you guys have long since won the war against climate change action.  You should be celebrating your success but you're still whining.

But what does an old hippy in the rain forest know right?  Well, after 50 years of living in one I've never seen so many dead and dying cedar trees. They're turning brownish red everywhere you look.  A couple of my neighbours wells have gone dry the last few days. I've never even heard of that ever happening around here never mind living to see it.

There's no evidence of there ever having been a wildfire in the west coast's fog zone - fingers crossed it stays that way but if this place does go up, its going to be epic.

So if those things are happening because of climate change, what has been the point of carbon taxes in B.C. the last 15 years?  Since it has done nothing for the climate, wouldn't it be better to stop the carbon tax scam?

[eyeball]

39 minutes ago, blackbird said:

what has been the point of carbon taxes in B.C. the last 15 years?

For me, there's a moral point it.

In any case, since God's got another planet waiting for you why do you give any of this even a second's thought?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

For me, there's a moral point it.

In any case, since God's got another planet waiting for you why do you give any of this even a second's thought?

I don't like to see my fellow man, grown children, grandchildren, and great grand children have to go through this phony war on climate change which is costing everyone a lot.  

But all the catastrophes, natural disasters like the flood in Libya, earthquake in Morroco, hurricanes, war in Ukraine, and endless troubles some say point to mankind being in the end times before Christ returns.  Jesus Christ may be returning soon.  I intend to study that aspect more.  All I can say is people should be ready.  That's the message.

All these natural disasters, etc. mean tough times for a lot of people.  Who knows what will happen with China, Russia, N. Korea, Iran, etc.  Some of them unpredictable.  I think the North Korean leader is unpredictable.  He may have made a deal with Putin which might make him bolder yet.

[Canadian_Cavalier]

I think the climate is changing and we should invest in nuclear power as the best way to lower emissions.

The antinatalist argument falls flat when one realizes not a single Western country has a birth rate above replacement. It's all Africa and Asia. You never see these people telling them to stop having kids. This issue is being weaponized to shame us for reproducing and make us pay more taxes to the government.

At least Canada doesn't seem to have those Just Stop Oil nutjobs from the UK and Germany.

[CdnFox]

On 9/17/2023 at 9:49 AM, Canadian_Cavalier said:

I think the climate is changing and we should invest in nuclear power as the best way to lower emissions.

The antinatalist argument falls flat when one realizes not a single Western country has a birth rate above replacement. It's all Africa and Asia. You never see these people telling them to stop having kids. This issue is being weaponized to shame us for reproducing and make us pay more taxes to the government.

At least Canada doesn't seem to have those Just Stop Oil nutjobs from the UK and Germany.

Well we do have justin, he's pretty close to a just stop oil nutjob

If canada wants to have an impact on the world stage for climate change they have to focus on developing tech that is so good others will just want to use it instead of carbon based energy. Then we'd have teh ability to affect other country's output by giving them better choices. But that's basically it - other than that we should be focused on adaptation.

[Army Guy]

On 9/16/2023 at 4:48 PM, herbie said:

You cut your hydro bill to $60 a month? Shopping for a hybrid CUV? Driving less overall? Turned your furnace down to 20C? Buy local fruits & veggies, get meat from a local shop that doesn't ship animals to Alberta for slaughter and all the way back in plastic wrap?
Surfing this forum on a laptop or Raspberry Pi instead of a 1200W "gaming" PC? Bring your beer cans back for the deposit?

Then you already are.

 

WOW herbie thats some huge sacrifices you got going on there...sounds like the Liberals climate change plan , has lots of words in it but accomplishes dic* all...sure does give you the moral superiority to bitc* at the right...But then again the left does not really need much to feel morally superior to anyone. 

[Army Guy]

On 9/16/2023 at 10:30 PM, eyeball said:

You just have to rub it in don't you?

As I've pointed out many times over the years around here you guys have long since won the war against climate change action.  You should be celebrating your success but you're still whining.

But what does an old hippy in the rain forest know right?  Well, after 50 years of living in one I've never seen so many dead and dying cedar trees. They're turning brownish red everywhere you look.  A couple of my neighbours wells have gone dry the last few days. I've never even heard of that ever happening around here never mind living to see it.

There's no evidence of there ever having been a wildfire in the west coast's fog zone - fingers crossed it stays that way but if this place does go up, its going to be epic.

I'm not rubbing it in i wanted Herbie to explain to me what the liberals current plan is accomplishing today...but that question is to tough for him....

[Army Guy]

On 9/16/2023 at 11:41 PM, eyeball said:

For me, there's a moral point it.

In any case, since God's got another planet waiting for you why do you give any of this even a second's thought?

And while we are appeasing your moral obligations , Canadians are going hungry, being pushed onto the street...

Can't be much of a point, or else you'd be doing more about it...Shut fossil fuels down for 2 weeks, and there won't be one climate change activist out there...

[herbie]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

You cut your hydro bill to $60 a month? Shopping for a hybrid CUV? Driving less overall? Turned your furnace down to 20C? Buy local fruits & veggies, get meat from a local shop that doesn't ship animals to Alberta for slaughter and all the way back in plastic wrap?

"WOW herbie thats some huge sacrifices you got going on there..."

What sacrifices? Sounds like you're unwilling to do dick shit like most cons, just complain. Won't even adapt to save your own money let alone the environment.

Progressive Conservative - willing to accept slow change
Conservative - unwilling to accept any change whatsoever
Pale-Conservative/MAGA - only accepts going backwards and influencing others progress, change and consideration of others or anything around you are dirty words.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, Army Guy said:

And while we are appeasing your moral obligations , Canadians are going hungry, being pushed onto the street...

So do something about it.

7 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Can't be much of a point, or else you'd be doing more about it...

What?

7 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Shut fossil fuels down for 2 weeks, and there won't be one climate change activist out there...

Like I said, you've won.

[Nationalist]

On 9/16/2023 at 3:59 PM, CdnFox said:

Turns out none of that's possible for the average person. 

Thats what the whole concept was predicated on.  But to use the terms economists do, turns out energy costs aren't that 'elastic'.

People still need power. People can't afford a brand new car. People still need to get to work and get their groceries. People don't want to freeze in the winter and turning the furnace down a degree or two makes no noticeable difference. And people were already buying local if they could - those prices go up too.

Sorry but you're entirely full of shit.  And the results show it.  People have done all they could and now they're watering the milk and skipping meals so their kids can eat becasue they still need to go to work and heat their homes.

I guess you can tell an old couple that they can't afford air conditioning in the summer when it's hot. Well over 500 people in bc died a couple of summers ago trying to save money like you want them to.  Pretty harsh price to pay.

This is the problem with lefties and liberals.  Your solution is always 'let them eat cake.'

They're a death-cult. They worship at the alter of climate fear and willingly impose suffering on the poor...who are unwanted and irrelevant to the Libbie death-cult.

[Nationalist]

On 9/16/2023 at 10:41 PM, eyeball said:

For me, there's a moral point it.

In any case, since God's got another planet waiting for you why do you give any of this even a second's thought?

You death-cultists have no business claiming any morality whatsoever. Every time your death-cult acts, you bring death, fear and hatred in your wake.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

They're a death-cult. They worship at the alter of climate fear and willingly impose suffering on the poor...who are unwanted and irrelevant to the Libbie death-cult.

Well they certainly don't seem to care if their policies lead to death or suffering. Although 'death cult' would explain their recommending MAID to PTSD suffering vets.

[Army Guy]

19 hours ago, herbie said:

What sacrifices? Sounds like you're unwilling to do dick shit like most cons, just complain. Won't even adapt to save your own money let alone the environment.

Progressive Conservative - willing to accept slow change
Conservative - unwilling to accept any change whatsoever
Pale-Conservative/MAGA - only accepts going backwards and influencing others progress, change and consideration of others or anything around you are dirty words.

Well I've done a lot more than you suggested, I have solar power in my home plus battery back up, my power bill is way less than 60.00 a month, in fact most months my power bill is zero... I also have my home scanned with a thermal cameras and improved my installation and sprayed foamed, i have also installed a thermal heat pump for my heating and cooling needs, with a pellet stove as back up heat source when needed. 

And i do drive a Dodge 2500 diesel truck to ensure i can get to work on the worst of winter snow days, if i don't show up i don't get paid, and snow removal in the country is not the priority. 

And like most lefties your content with the status quo, that produces jack sh*t in results...your waiting for someone else to solve the problem for you...like the liberal voters are...i wonder does the NDP even have a climate policy of it's own, probably not they are to worry about dental and child care and bashing the right to think of the planet...

Sorry but turning down your thermostat to 20 is not going to attribute anything of any real value, get on the train or stop complaining... 

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

So do something about it.

What?

Like I said, you've won.

i DO contribute to our local food bank, and give money when i can, i may not be eating dog food, but i certainly not eating steak every night either.... and finally i plan on voting conservative in the next election ....

anything but whining about it...

I didn't win anything, except prove this current government is incapable of tackling any real problem in this country, and certainly not climate change...and that a good portion of Canadians are content with climate policies that make no sense, they have placed their faith in the government which has over and over again proved they are not up to the job.... It also proves that most Canadians are very gullible when it comes serious issues. Thats the real problem...

[herbie]

So you saying I made "sacrifices" and yours aren't? And then confess you 'need' a 3 ton stinky diesel to get to work?

Come on, man! My 20 yr old AWD SUV did the job and now my kid uses it. Only got a 2dr Wrangler because I wanted one and don't have to drive to work anymore. It will be replaced w a hybrid one day.

[blackbird]

41 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

It also proves that most Canadians are very gullible when it comes serious issues.

Yes, even politicians of major cities are gullible and have swallowed the climate change alarmism lie.  The U.N. globalists are shouting with glee.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

I have solar power in my home plus battery back up, my power bill is way less than 60.00 a month, in fact most months my power bill is zero...

I guess you don't heat your home with electricity.  My home is heated by electric baseboard heaters.  I don't know what their wattage is but assuming they are 2,000 watts each, that would mean about 8,000 watts running intermittently.  One solar panel produces 250 to 400 watts.  I would need a vast array of solar panels that size to heat the home and there would be no power at night unless you had a vast bank of batteries.  I doubt batteries could provide even 5000 watts of power to run electric heaters.  The roof would not be large enough to hold all the panels.  

Also, in a home that is totally dependent on electricity from the electric company, when the electricity goes off during a storm for example, the home would have no heating or cooking facilities.  Totally dependent on hydro power.

 I assume you have a natural gas furnace, which is a good thing and quite an efficient form of energy.  Nanaimo has banned natural gas on all new homes.  Crazy.  Now every new home will require electric baseboard heating or an electric furnace.  It will make absolutely no difference to climate change. That is what happens when you have woke, radical people elected to town councils.

Edited September 19, 2023 by blackbird

[taxme]

On 9/15/2023 at 3:38 PM, WestCanMan said:

How do I explain this in a real, real siyency way...

Coal burned in the powerplants that are situated right next to the coal mines in Wabamun, Sundance and Genesee Alberta releases greenhouse gases into the air which causes global warming flood-fires. 

In order to burn it without releasing any greenhouse gases you have to load it on a train in central Alberta, ship it 1,100 km to the docks on the west coast of BC, sail it 9,100 km across the Pacific Ocean to China, load it back on trains and ship it 1,000 to 2,000 thousand kms to the various coal-fired plants there.

By the time the coal travels 12,000 km by rail and sea and then rail again, the coal can be burned without releasing those harmful greenhouse gases, so it won't cause any global warming flood-fires.

If you don't learn that, you're a racist and Greta hates you. 

There is no climate change or warming going on anywhere on the earth. What we are getting from the MSM and our lying politicians is global globalist WEF bull shit. Everyone should listen to what Marc Morano has to say about global warming. 

In order to charge up an EV, It takes a 350 Watt generator that uses 12 gallons of diesel fuel per hour, and then takes three hours to fully charge up the battery of an EV just to be able to go approx. 200 miles. EV batteries in EV vehicles are blowing up and starting fires all the time.

My daughter-in-law bought an EV a couple of years ago and it has been in the garage twice for servicing after the car has broken down on her. Both times she has lost her vehicle for weeks while it was being repaired. Great vehicles to own alright. I have not had my 2017 Honda in the garage for any serious problems as of yet. Knock on wood!

I think that I will stick with a fossil fuel vehicle for now and forever. It's the only way to travel. Gas pumps are everywhere. EV charging units are not. it takes approx. less then ten minutes to fill up my car with gas and I am gone. It takes an hour or more to have to wait to charge up an EV. 

A gas running vehicle adds carbon to the air which in turn feeds the trees and plants. And in return the trees and plants give us oxygen to be able to breath. It's common sense, folks? Burning of gas is good for the environment. EV's do nothing for the environment.  ?