The Silencing of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Without vaccines, we would be losing people to polio, small pox etc.

Don't be ridiculous QM. 

The actual vaccines that you're referring to had enormous impacts when they came out. Deaths from those diseases plummeted to the point where no one fears them at all here. 

How many people died of polio before the vax?

How many people died of polio after the vax?

How many people died of smallpox before the vax?

How many people died of smallpox after the vax?

Covid deaths went up by 30% in 2022. How the hell is that a vax?

Can you account for the dramatic rise in deaths after the covid vax rollout?  

 

Honestly, your only reason for thinking that the covid vax was a success is that the MSM stopped talking about covid deaths. That's it. 

Do you doubt that covid deaths went up in 2022? 

Would you like me to prove to you, using Health Canada's own stats, that 86.7% of covid deaths between June 19 and Sept 25 2022 were among the multi-vaxed?

Dude, you're making a bold declarative statement without a tiny shred of evidence, and your statement is 100% false. 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

He’s anti-vax. He cloaks it in irrational comments about safety testing needs to be more thorough 

Let’s do some really f-ing simple math on this question:  “Are the Covid vaccines safe?”

Fact: 70% of Earth’s population has been vaccinated. Over 13 Billion doses have been administered.  
 

Conclusion: Those billions of people are fine. The vac did not kill them. And mortality of the unvaccinated is higher. So RFK’s assault on Fauci is unjustified. 

Covid deaths in Canada went up after we vaxed 85% of our population. Almost 90% of those deaths were among the vaxed. 

I can show you precise numbers to back up my claims.

Your generic BS is completely unsupported. The only reason that you think covid deaths are down is the MSM stopped talking about them.  

[Hodad]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Covid deaths in Canada went up after we vaxed 85% of our population. Almost 90% of those deaths were among the vaxed. 

I can show you precise numbers to back up my claims.

Your generic BS is completely unsupported. The only reason that you think covid deaths are down is the MSM stopped talking about them.  

The numbers show, clearly and indisputably, that vaccinated people who contract COVID are dramatically less likely to be hospitalized and dramatically less likely to die. Your numbers may be right but you're not looking at the right numbers. 

It's as simple as that. Any given individuals odds are much better with the vax.

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The numbers show, clearly and indisputably, that vaccinated people who contract COVID are dramatically less likely to be hospitalized and dramatically less likely to die. Your numbers may be right but you're not looking at the right numbers. 

It's as simple as that. Any given individuals odds are much better with the vax.

Well most people now aren’t bothering with boosters and feel that they can handle the prevalent milder variants, especially if they’ve had Covid.  The healthy, young, and fit unvaccinated aren’t worried and the media fear porn has left.  

[Zeitgeist]

Briahna is very persuasive in this segment:

 

[sharkman]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

The numbers show, clearly and indisputably, that vaccinated people who contract COVID are dramatically less likely to be hospitalized and dramatically less likely to die. Your numbers may be right but you're not looking at the right numbers. 

It's as simple as that. Any given individuals odds are much better with the vax.

And that’s not what vaccines do.  They PREVENT the illness.  Smallpox, Polio, etc, were essentially wiped out by vaccines.  Why can you not grasp simple facts?

 

Anyway, the reason they aren’t covering a Kennedy who’s announced a presidential campaign is, they don’t want him to run.  
 

The never Trumpers want him to be their hope, because let’s face it, Biden will win nothing if his backers are stupid enough to let him run.  Kennedy against Trump, now that would be a contest.

Edited April 21, 2023 by sharkman

[Hodad]

5 hours ago, sharkman said:

And that’s not what vaccines do.  They PREVENT the illness.  Smallpox, Polio, etc, were essentially wiped out by vaccines.  Why can you not grasp simple facts?

 

Anyway, the reason they aren’t covering a Kennedy who’s announced a presidential campaign is, they don’t want him to run.  
 

The never Trumpers want him to be their hope, because let’s face it, Biden will win nothing if his backers are stupid enough to let him run.  Kennedy against Trump, now that would be a contest.

You are incorrect. They can help to prevent infection. They can help to prevent illness. They can mitigate symptoms and risks. There is a flu vaccine every year aimed specifically at reducing hospitalization and death among the infected.

You don't get to redefine words for the sake of political convenience.

[Rebound]

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

When I hear the inevitable BS about how badly Russia is losing I just show people the map of where the battles are occurring. 

There's Russian propaganda, there's Ukrainian propaganda, and the truth is somewhere in the middle. The map is by fr the most reliable tidbit of news we get.

One thing that does look to be going Ukraine's way is the city of Bakhmut. The Russians have been repelled there many times. I wonder if that's where the US special forces (which aren't officially there) are deployed... (if there really are any) 

The Ukrainian people clearly DO NOT want to be ruled by Putin. That much is obvious. So why are you his cheerleader?  He has no business there. 

[Rebound]

10 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well most people now aren’t bothering with boosters and feel that they can handle the prevalent milder variants, especially if they’ve had Covid.  The healthy, young, and fit unvaccinated aren’t worried and the media fear porn has left.  

Let’s hope so. But America has lost over 1,300 people every week this year. Over 4,000 people in the first week of the year.  

[Rebound]

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Covid deaths in Canada went up after we vaxed 85% of our population. Almost 90% of those deaths were among the vaxed. 

I can show you precise numbers to back up my claims.

Your generic BS is completely unsupported. The only reason that you think covid deaths are down is the MSM stopped talking about them.  

Your math is nonsense. We’ve all explained it to you. Sorry that you weren’t paying any attention in 2nd grade when the rest of us learned how to add. Must suck having to spend your life as a truck driver or whatever because you never learned basic mental skills.  

[reason10]

21 hours ago, robosmith said:

When a bully attacks you, war mongering is preferable to 'fear and surrender' mongering.

If you surrender, you're just ENCOURAGING MORE BULLYING.

Surrender, like ARMING THE TALIBAN?

That's on Unelected Joe's resume.

[reason10]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

You are incorrect. They can help to prevent infection. They can help to prevent illness. They can mitigate symptoms and risks. There is a flu vaccine every year aimed specifically at reducing hospitalization and death among the infected.

You don't get to redefine words for the sake of political convenience.

It was maybe a little under two years ago when some little brat in a classroom coughed without putting his hand over his mouth.  As a result, I lost my voice for a WEEK.

Shortly afterward, after a lifetime of refusing ALL government issued flu vaccines, I told me doctor to give me one. (I'll pay my doctor for it rather than trust some government flunkie with the jab.) I haven't lost my voice since. I haven't had a cold since.

I go for the jab EVERY YEAR, during the beginning of flu season. The money that jab has saved me in not losing work is probably in the thousands of dollars by now.

It's everybody's person choice, of being jabbed or not. I agree with that. But come flu season, I'm getting the shot.  Can't afford to lose my voice or any work.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

The Ukrainian people clearly DO NOT want to be ruled by Putin. That much is obvious. So why are you his cheerleader?  He has no business there. 

Putin isn't going after Kyiv. He's going after the Donbas area. 

I know you feel like Russia should just let NATO have Ukraine, that's unacceptable for them. 

This is America's proxy war, Ukrainians are the canon fodder. Biden wants a regime change. I'm pretty sure he will get one in 2024. 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

Your math is nonsense. We’ve all explained it to you. Sorry that you weren’t paying any attention in 2nd grade when the rest of us learned how to add. Must suck having to spend your life as a truck driver or whatever because you never learned basic mental skills.  

You never explained squat. You just failed to understand the math.

Covid deaths went up dramatically. Multi-vaccinated people accounted for almost 90% of the deaths. That's not what happens when you give a vaccine to 85% of the population.

FYI when we "vaccinated" over 90% of vulnerable Canadians, the death rate for those people should have gone down by [Hodad's vax-apologist rate of] 80% and the other 10% (the unvaxed) of Canadians should have kept dying at the same rate as before, right? 

So 90/100 vulnerable people dying at 20% of their old rate and 10/100 people dying at 100% of their old rate. 

90/100 x .2 and 10/100 x 1.0.

So in Canada, a group of 1,000,000 vulnerable we should have seen:

1) 10% of the population (unvaxed) x 1.0 = the usual number of deaths per 100K. In a group big enough to expect 10 deaths we would see 10 deaths on average now. 

2) plus 1/5x90% (the vaxed), or .2x90 = 18 deaths instead of 90. I.e., in a group big enough where 90 would have been expected to die, only 18 should die.

So in a group of people where 100 people should have died, because they were all unvaxed, only 10 + 18 =28 should have been dying after the vax rollout. And if more than 90% of the vulnerable were vaxed then we would expect even less than 28 deaths, because people under 65 without co-morbidities just don't die of covid. 

So if a group of 100K people was experiencing 100 deaths in 2020, they should only have experienced approximately 28 in 2022 because of the successful vax rollout. And FYI, that 28% figure doesn't even account for a slight increase in survivability for the unvaxed due to 'herd immunity'.

But deaths went up to 124% of what they were in 2020, and approximately 90% of those deaths were among the multi-vaxed. 

SO, if a group of 100K people experienced 100 covid deaths in 2020, then a group of 100K people was experiencing 124 deaths in 2022. 86.7% of the dead were vaxed. 

If 124 died and 86.7% of the dead were vaxed that means that 107.5 multi-vaxed and 16.5 unvaxed died in that group of 100K people in 2022. Only 90 and 10 of them would have died in 2020, remember?  

That's 107.5 m-vaxed people dying from 90K people instead of the expected 90 dying from 90k. An extra 17.5 people. With the "working vaccine". 

Edited April 21, 2023 by WestCanMan

[CrakHoBarbie]

16 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I wonder what those guys think of the Afghan withdrawal.

On the one hand:

Americans left behind almost $100B worth of weapons and ammo that the taxpayers will have to replace ??

On the other hand,

Americans left behind almost $100B worth of weapons and ammo and a lot of it is being sold internationally, in competition with the military industrial complex, which inevitably drives down prices ? 

Well, let's do the math, shall we?

It cost the U.S. $300 million dollars per day to stay in Afghanistan.

Biden got the U.S. out of Afghanistan on Aug. 30th 2021. So, as of today, it's been 599 days since the U.S. withdrawal. At $300 million per day that's $179,700,000,000.

So, on a purely monetary level, even with the lost $100 billion in equipment, Biden has saved the U.S. taxpayer $79,700,000,000 by getting us out when he did.

Any other questions?

[Rebound]

50 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You never explained squat. You just failed to understand the math.

Covid deaths went up dramatically. Multi-vaccinated people accounted for almost 90% of the deaths. That's not what happens when you give a vaccine to 85% of the population.

FYI when we "vaccinated" over 90% of vulnerable Canadians, the death rate for those people should have gone down by [Hodad's vax-apologist rate of] 80% and the other 10% (the unvaxed) of Canadians should have kept dying at the same rate as before, right? 

So 90/100 vulnerable people dying at 20% of their old rate and 10/100 people dying at 100% of their old rate. 

90/100 x .2 and 10/100 x 1.0.

So in Canada, a group of 1,000,000 vulnerable we should have seen:

1) 10% of the population (unvaxed) x 1.0 = the usual number of deaths per 100K. In a group big enough to expect 10 deaths we would see 10 deaths on average now. 

2) plus 1/5x90% (the vaxed), or .2x90 = 18 deaths instead of 90. I.e., in a group big enough where 90 would have been expected to die, only 18 should die.

So in a group of people where 100 people should have died, because they were all unvaxed, only 10 + 18 =28 should have been dying after the vax rollout. And if more than 90% of the vulnerable were vaxed then we would expect even less than 28 deaths, because people under 65 without co-morbidities just don't die of covid. 

So if a group of 100K people was experiencing 100 deaths in 2020, they should only have experienced approximately 28 in 2022 because of the successful vax rollout. And FYI, that 28% figure doesn't even account for a slight increase in survivability for the unvaxed due to 'herd immunity'.

But deaths went up to 124% of what they were in 2020, and approximately 90% of those deaths were among the multi-vaxed. 

SO, if a group of 100K people experienced 100 covid deaths in 2020, then a group of 100K people was experiencing 124 deaths in 2022. 86.7% of the dead were vaxed. 

If 124 died and 86.7% of the dead were vaxed that means that 107.5 multi-vaxed and 16.5 unvaxed died in that group of 100K people in 2022. Only 90 and 10 of them would have died in 2020, remember?  

That's 107.5 m-vaxed people dying from 90K people instead of the expected 90 dying from 90k. An extra 17.5 people. With the "working vaccine". 

No, because you failed to account for age.  

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Putin isn't going after Kyiv. He's going after the Donbas area. 

I know you feel like Russia should just let NATO have Ukraine, that's unacceptable for them. 

This is America's proxy war, Ukrainians are the canon fodder. Biden wants a regime change. I'm pretty sure he will get one in 2024. 

NATO does not “have” any nation. 
But, because of Putin, NATO has gained two more members and others are asking to join. 
 

But I don’t know what this has to do with RFK Jr.

Edited April 21, 2023 by Rebound

[Dougie93]

On 4/19/2023 at 11:36 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Why is the mainstream media silencing the Democrats’ #2 candidate?  RFK Jr. is a breath of fresh air and the MSM seem intent on defaming him.

even as a Republican, I would defend him

as I would have defended JFK

I don't have to agree with him

all that matters is his fealty to the constitution

[Goddess]

On 4/20/2023 at 1:38 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

Without vaccines, we would be losing people to polio, small pox etc.

I'm not up on what RFK Jr. has to say about vaccines, but I did just find out that in the US, children are subject to over 70 shots before they start school. And now the covid jabs are added to the childhood schedule.

And yet American health has been nosediving for decades.

70+ shots by age 4 or 5 seems excessive to me. So if RFK  wants to look into it, I'm glad someone is.

[Dougie93]

43 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I'm not up on what RFK Jr. has to say about vaccines, but I did just find out that in the US, children are subject to over 70 shots before they start school. And now the covid jabs are added to the childhood schedule.

And yet American health has been nosediving for decades.

70+ shots by age 4 or 5 seems excessive to me. So if RFK  wants to look into it, I'm glad someone is.

in America, unlike Canada, you can take any position

so long as you defend & uphold the constitution therein, you should be defended as a patriot

even if someone disagrees with you in America

if they defend & uphold America freedom : then they are fellow citizen

RFK jr is opposed to vaccine mandates, by invoking the constitution

it's not about the vaccines per se, it's all about the constitution

thus, even as a Republican

I am bound by fealty to a higher authority

to come to his defence

whatever the mechanism of slavery, be it vaccines,  or Dred Scott

Republican Abolitionists are bound to defend against it

Edited April 21, 2023 by Dougie93

[Queenmandy85]

Mr. Kennedy has other issues in his past. The problem is, why can't the DNC put up someone who ticks all the boxes that no one can find fault with? There has to be at least one Democrat who has a clean criminal record, middle aged,  with intelligence, and experience. The prejudice against colour, sexual orientation, age and gender disqualify several great candidates. Are there no middle of the spectrum candidates that can draw enough votes away from President Trump?

[Dougie93]

19 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 There has to be at least one Democrat who has a clean criminal record

Abraham Lincoln broke the law

the Emancipation Proclamation was unconstitutional

Sherman's March to the Sea would be called a "war crime" now

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

No, because you failed to account for age.  

Buddy, the number of vaccinated deaths in 2022, just vaccinated deaths alone, not vaxed plus unvaxed, was greater than the total number of covid deaths in 2020. Back when it was a novel virus. 

The number of multi-vaccinated deaths in 2022 was also greater than the total number of covid deaths in 2021.

Account for the size of Pluto if you want. It doesn't make a lick of difference. There weren't substantially more people in Canada. Our population didn't suddenly get older.

You need to change your username to "Desperately Seeking Confirmation Bias" now.

Covid deaths went up buddy, by a lot. 

The MSM was in freakout mode in 2020 because of............... the number of covid deaths.

They just insisted that HCQ and Ivermectin and vit's c&d were totally useless and only the vax could save us. So 85% of Canadians got vaxed, more multi-vaxed alone died in 2022 than the total number of vaxed plus unvaxed in any other year, and the media stopped talking about covid deaths. Biden declared the pandemic was over. 

It's time to stop saying "covid vaccine". There's honestly no such thing. You were lied to by our alt-left gov'ts, big pharma and the alt-left media monster.

[Rebound]

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Buddy, the number of vaccinated deaths in 2022, just vaccinated deaths alone, not vaxed plus unvaxed, was greater than the total number of covid deaths in 2020. Back when it was a novel virus. 

The number of multi-vaccinated deaths in 2022 was also greater than the total number of covid deaths in 2021.

Account for the size of Pluto if you want. It doesn't make a lick of difference. There weren't substantially more people in Canada. Our population didn't suddenly get older.

You need to change your username to "Desperately Seeking Confirmation Bias" now.

Covid deaths went up buddy, by a lot. 

The MSM was in freakout mode in 2020 because of............... the number of covid deaths.

They just insisted that HCQ and Ivermectin and vit's c&d were totally useless and only the vax could save us. So 85% of Canadians got vaxed, more multi-vaxed alone died in 2022 than the total number of vaxed plus unvaxed in any other year, and the media stopped talking about covid deaths. Biden declared the pandemic was over. 

It's time to stop saying "covid vaccine". There's honestly no such thing. You were lied to by our alt-left gov'ts, big pharma and the alt-left media monster.

85% got vaxxed, and their deaths outnumbered the 15%. Wow. 

[Nationalist]

On 4/20/2023 at 1:18 PM, robosmith said:

When a bully attacks you, war mongering is preferable to 'fear and surrender' mongering.

If you surrender, you're just ENCOURAGING MORE BULLYING.

Yes exactly. Surrender with your tail betel your legs in Afghanistan, and encourage things like Russia moving in on Ukraine.