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The reason I ask is that down in the lowlife 48 here the media seems to keep your country shrouded in mystery with our right wing telling scary stories of a healthcare system that lets the elderly die, and letting people die waiting for medical treatments, and has Canadians scrambling across the border for proper healthcare. Can anyone elaborate on Canada's healthcare system? Because I'd really like to hear opinions on the Canadian healthcare system from someone other than an American.

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2 hours ago, NYLefty said:

Can anyone elaborate on Canada's healthcare system?

It will vary from province to province.

But the system overall, is good.

Leaving people to die, is not something this system is known for, but I have heard of some isolated cases during covid-19 which overwhelmed hospitals.

Once you get free health care, you will not understand a life without it.

Breaking a leg, shouldn't be a stressful financial event for any citizen.

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I base my question on Canada's healthcare system because I'm of German decent and still have family in Germany. Up till recently 2 aunt's (one who just recently passed) my middle aged cousins and their children, and I can only say they enjoy a healthcare system Americans could only dream of. I've for years given long winded explanations to fellow Americans about this to be countered with similar jibber off people waiting and dying, which is absolute bullshit.

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Funny as the world has become much smaller due to social media and Americans finding out about Germany's awesome healthcare system the new counter is "Well they Tax you for It!) But from where I'm standing Germans seem to have a pretty good standard of living all while not having to stress about medical bankruptcy...

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There are certainly issues with wait times here in Canada. It's not really free either since it's paid for by our tax dollars. For my first hernia surgery I waited 5 months and at the time I thought it was a long time to wait as I was still working and in a lot of discomfort. The second time around, it took exactly 1 year from the time of diagnosis until the actual surgery, from May of 2021 until June of 2022. As it's been pointed out above, I don't worry about getting hit with some massive bill from the hospital but we certainly do have some pretty long wait times. Any time that a politician suggests looking at more private sector involvement there is an outcry, usually from the left about going down the road to an American style system. 

Which country has the best health care system in the world? A quick search gave some very different results so it's hard to say. I can say with a large degree of certainty it's not Canada although I doubt we are the worst either. We shouldn't be afraid to look at how the other developed nations are doing it and see what works and what doesn't.

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We're interested in US politics because Canadian politics are boring.
And no one dies in US waiting rooms? No one waits for hours to be seen in Emergency? Bullshit.

The only reason you even hear about someone dying in a waiting room is because it's a huge news event on the scale of terrorist attack or mass murder here. And as for the waiting horror stories, you won't be waiting if you've been shot, run over or are having a heart attack.
On the other hand you might be like me, annoyed because when I broke my foot I had to PAY... a $10 deposit on the crutches... $17 dispensing fee every 3 months for diabetes meds.

And your so-called lefty Democrats are too chickenshit to take on the medical insurance and hospital corporations.

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13 minutes ago, herbie said:

We're interested in US politics because Canadian politics are boring.

all my Republican brethren are keenly interested in Canadian politics now

the Freedom Convoy struggle to overthrow the Chinese Communist traitors in Canada

that's all over the number one shows in America, Joe Rogan Podcast & Tucker Carlson Tonight

down with the Democrat traitors to the Republic and their Liberal proxies in Canada too

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13 hours ago, NYLefty said:

The reason I ask is

what makes you a real American ?

sounds like you are actually a European at heart, who simply resides in New York State

are you coming to commiserate with the Canadians, because you are a stranger in your own land ?

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21 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

all my Republican brethren are keenly interested in Canadian politics now

the Freedom Convoy struggle to overthrow the Chinese Communist traitors in Canada

Yes we know the US medical system is so damn good there's many total mental cases among the general public. Freedumb fighters and communist Chinese...

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1 minute ago, herbie said:

Yes we know the US medical system is so damn good there's many total mental cases among the general public. Freedumb fighters and communist Chinese...

first off all,  the Canadian socialist healthcare system is completely broken and failing

but second of all, America is simply an idea

inalienable rights endowed by the Creator, the shot heard round the world

whatever problems there are in America, it is still at least striving towards a more perfect Union

unlike Socialist Canada,

which is making itself a lick spittle crony of the Chinese Communists in Beijing

according to CSIS even

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10 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

It will vary from province to province.

But the system overall, is good.

Leaving people to die, is not something this system is known for, but I have heard of some isolated cases during covid-19 which overwhelmed hospitals.

Oh? Only then?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-hospital-levis-grandmother-1.6766057

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8 hours ago, NYLefty said:

I base my question on Canada's healthcare system because I'm of German decent and still have family in Germany. Up till recently 2 aunt's (one who just recently passed) my middle aged cousins and their children, and I can only say they enjoy a healthcare system Americans could only dream of. I've for years given long winded explanations to fellow Americans about this to be countered with similar jibber off people waiting and dying, which is absolute bullshit.

Germany's healthcare system largely works. Canada's often does not. It has the longest wait times of any country in the OECD. Millions of people can't find a family doctor because the government deliberately failed to allow enough to be trained for many years in a row. There's a severe shortage of nurses for the same reason. There is no private insurance or care in Canada (with a very few exeptions) except for things the healthcare system doesn't cover.

Canadians have been led to believe anything but a Communist style system where all are completely equal and no one may pay to get better healthcare is the only alternative to the US and its lack of public healthcare. The media largely defends this principle and savagely attacks any suggestion of privately supplied care. Or indeed, any real change to the current system.

Needless to say, you won't actually find the rich waiting ten or twenty hours at an emergency room or waiting months or years for an operation. Just as in the Soviet Union, not all pigs are equal. The rich have their own doctors, their own clinics, and will fly across the border to the US for quick surgery if it's needed.

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14 hours ago, NYLefty said:

Can anyone elaborate on Canada's healthcare system?

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Over ten thousand Canadians died during delays and cancellations through the 2020-21 COVID-19 pandemic, a new SecondStreet.org report reveals. 

According to government data, an unsettling 11,581 patients died while waiting to receive potentially life-saving healthcare including surgeries, diagnostic visits and specialist appointments. 

“Waiting lists are at all-time highs due to governments postponing surgeries and diagnostic scans after the pandemic emerged,” said SecondStreet.org president Colin Craig. 

“But Canadians should note that waiting list deaths have been on the rise for years. Behind these statistics are patients spending their final years in pain, with cloudy vision and other problems. Worse, some are dying simply because the government took too long to provide surgery.”

11,581 died after being put on healthcare waiting lists in 2020-2021 | True North (tnc.news)

You can find different figures and lower number of deaths depending on which website you look at.

The health care system is in a crisis according to many people.  Reportedly at least five million people in Canada do not have a family doctor.

I know once when I was visiting relative near Winnipeg about 15 years ago, I went to a walk-in clinic for some minor issue, it was very crowded with a small waiting area.  I caught Norovirus there and was as sick as a dog that night.

Politicians like to promise everything like a good public health care system, but these are the same politicians that spend billions of dollars on every other conceivable government social service anyone can think of.  That means they end up not putting enough money into the public health care system.  It has been getting worse for years.  I don't see anything on the news that indicates they are going to really fix it.

Aside from the lack of money being put into the system, I suspect the public health care system is being run poorly.  I know many people don't have their own doctor and have to rely on a walk-in clinic or going to the emergency room for every issue.  That is a poor way to run the system.  The walk-in clinic is not a good place.  People have to sometimes wait outside for an hour or more in a long lineup to be seen by one doctor.  Lately they let them sit inside in a long hallway on chairs.  The hospital ER is poorly run.  Not enough doctors and patients sometimes have to wait six hours, maybe longer, to be seen.  Maybe only one doctor on duty.

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The guy wants a simple answer, not the pissing and moaning of those who'd rather destroy it than fix anything. Wait times got bad during Covid... duhhh, Capt. Obvious.

It's more like Germany than the USA. Level of care and how much money you have aren't tied together. You don't pay to go to the doctor, there's none of the co-pay nonsense where you shell out for insurance and they'll go out of their way to cover as little as they can get away with, and none of the 'pre-existing condition' reasons they deny you coverage at all.

And often they don't want you to go to the hospital to get a nurse to change a dressing, so they send you home and the nurse comes to your house to do that. It's not like the "take 2 aspirins - if pain continues die" nonsense the GOP would have you believe. More like if you're a billionaire with a pimple on your ass, the old bag lady with cancer goes first. A none of the if you're a veteran or live in the downtown core you get a shittier hospital either.

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14 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

It will vary from province to province.

But the system overall, is good.

Leaving people to die, is not something this system is known for, but I have heard of some isolated cases during covid-19 which overwhelmed hospitals.

Once you get free health care, you will not understand a life without it.

Breaking a leg, shouldn't be a stressful financial event for any citizen.

Is it? We shut down our entire existence for a year because of a slight uptick in hospitalizations due to "covid". 

Here in sask it's 4 years to get any sort of PT after surgeries

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3 hours ago, Goddess said:

Canadian hospitals have been "overwhelmed" every flu season for years.

It's just no one cared before covid.

  • Could be.   But the hospitals have been overwhelmed since Covid started.  Maybe that brought the failing health care system to the media and everyone's attention.  We never heard much about the problem before Covid.  But now it is the centre of attention.  Millions of people don't have their own doctor,  emergency departments in several small places have been closing down at times.  Long waiting lists for various urgent procedures, thousands of people dying on waiting lists.  It is very tragic.  I don't really think the politicians in charge of the system get it.  The problem with a public system in a place like Canada, the way if fails to work properly can always be blamed on some other politician or some other level of government.  Politicians are not the right people to be running the health care system but they do and have to provide enough money, which they don't.
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14 hours ago, herbie said:

The guy wants a simple answer, not the pissing and moaning of those who'd rather destroy it than fix anything. Wait times got bad during Covid... duhhh, Capt. Obvious.

As opposed to the ideologues who's response is always "Everything's great! Just add a tiny bit more money and we'll be fine! Nothing to see here!"

14 hours ago, herbie said:

It's more like Germany than the USA. Level of care and how much money you have aren't tied together.

There we have an example of the Communist belief that money must not influence anything about your treatment or how long it takes.

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15 hours ago, Goddess said:

If we're being honest, most province's systems were strained  flu season or not. They were already putting people in the hallways outside of lu seasons. 

There are reasons why this happened but covid really wasn't one of them.

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12 hours ago, blackbird said:

We never heard much about the problem before Covid.

To be blunt it was VERY common to hear about it before covid. There are dozens and dozens of articles about how understaffing and wait times are horrible.

Covid for a short time made a really bad situation worse, but it's pretty much over and we're still seeing the same problems. In fact they're getting worse. And for the first time we really are seeing people die waiting for care, and more than one or two.

It's easy to blame covid becuase it was front and center in every paper every single day but the problem was serious before covid and has continued to get worse after covid.

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4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

There we have an example of the Communist belief that money must not influence anything about your treatment or how long it takes.

Oh... too 'communist' for you is it? Well no one's stopping you from trotting off to the USA and shelling out from your own pocket.

Which you can't, cuz you ain't rich.

Another Joe Worker who'll stand up for someone else's right to get wealth and priviledge.

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9 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh... too 'communist' for you is it? Well no one's stopping you from trotting off to the USA and shelling out oif your pocket.

Which you can't, cuz you ain't rich.

Another Joe Worker who'll stand up for someone else's right to get wealth and priviledge.

Do you pull this stuff out of your ass, despite what you may think there is many different tiers of health care across Canada. when was the last time you seen a billionaire waiting in a hospital line... never...each province has different levels of health care and none of them are the same. Canadians also have medical insurance most of it is provided by our employers, and most cover different things as well. 

In NB in the last 6 months 3 people have died in waiting rooms, after being triaged by a nurse, where they have died waiting to see a doctor and in most cases wait time are over 20 hours ...and thats after covid ...and nothing has changed to date we are just waiting for more to die... if thats not a red flag that something is wrong i don't know what is... stop posting our system is great when everyone including the PM knows it is hurting, pleas from doctors and nurses another red flag...

And yes we live in a nation where everyone is covered by our constitution, whether they are rich or poor, everyone has the same rights and privilege some just work harder for those than others....please tell the world what or who has held you back from attaining the same wealth or privilege. 

 

 

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