Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

But that’s a link to the MSM….New York Times in fact!  Sp ot must be false?  It always amuses me how you’ll claim MSM and outlets like NYT especially are liberal propaganda amd then link to them whenever there’s a convenient moment of reality you’d like to recognize. 

The MSM thinks that everything Biden does is brillant.

Falling upstairs is cool now.

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What’s false is your claim that Russian aggression against Ukraine only resulted from US simply saying they would support Ukraines NATO bid if Ukraine would submit one. 

The fact that Russia's main demand from Ukraine for peace is swearing off NATO forever.

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Do yourself a favour, read about Viktor Yanukovych. He’s the Russian puppet who, in 2004 and with the help of Russia, poisoned his pro-western election opponent and was subsequently ousted from power during the Orange Revolution, only to return years later in 2010 with the help of a Russian-rigged election after which commented a heavy handed reign of terror, persecution and corruption.  His reign included firing on unarmed civilians before he was again forced to flee in 2014, prompting Russia to invade Crimea and sponsor terrorist militias in the Donbas. 

I don't care about Russian internal politics. It doesn't matter to me.

Nuclear war matters.

Biden is risking everything, and for what?

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Biden is risking everything, and for what?

 

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[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The MSM thinks that everything Biden does is brillant.

Falling upstairs is cool now.

The fact that Russia's main demand from Ukraine for peace is swearing off NATO forever.

I don't care about Russian internal politics. It doesn't matter to me.

Nuclear war matters.

Biden is risking everything, and for what?

Ukrainians didn't even want to join Nato until Putin annexed Crimea. Putin has no one to blame but himself.

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Ukrainians didn't even want to join Nato until Putin annexed Crimea. Putin has no one to blame but himself.

Clearly this whole topic is over your head. Thanks for cementing that fact, again. 

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Clearly this whole topic is over your head. Thanks for cementing that fact, again. 

As you clearly don't understand, I guess I will have too. 

[DogOnPorch]

 

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I'm not sure why NATO is making such a fuss over a nation they previously rejected. Except...maybe...use of war to drag them all outta a recession?

Perhaps it is not about Ukraine or NATO, maybe it is that Russia invaded a country without meeting the legal requirements to use force on another nation.

Well NATO could easily find dozens of other nations to pick a fight with, i would have at least picked one that does not have nuclear weapons maybe that's just me. 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Perhaps it is not about Ukraine or NATO, maybe it is that Russia invaded a country without meeting the legal requirements to use force on another nation.

Well NATO could easily find dozens of other nations to pick a fight with, i would have at least picked one that does not have nuclear weapons maybe that's just me. 

Both Russia and NATO have long histories of invading other nations. The USA in particular.

But agreed. Picking a fight with a nuclear armed nation is...reckless at very least.

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Both Russia and NATO have long histories of invading other nations. The USA in particular.

But agreed. Picking a fight with a nuclear armed nation is...reckless at very least.

The US is not NATO, it is just one member. Its vote has no more weight than any other member. No matter what the US wants, every NATO member has to approve a new membership.

NATO does not have a history of invading other nations.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Aristides

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

The US is not NATO, it is just one member. Its vote has no more weight than any other member. No matter what the US wants, every NATO member has to approve a new membership.

Well that's certainly limp...

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't know who's winning or losing because I'm in NA where only propaganda can reach me.

Where are you?

I'm in NB , but i do have the internet which does have Russian media on it, somewhere in the middle is the truth. And right now, Russian military is losing ground on all fronts except one where the Wagner group is operating.  

It won't be long now before someone does something to escalate this whole war. Bringing in NATO which will only lead to bad things for both sides.

 

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well that's certainly limp...

Facts matter.

[Army Guy]

10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Both Russia and NATO have long histories of invading other nations. The USA in particular.

But agreed. Picking a fight with a nuclear armed nation is...reckless at very least.

I'm not here to debate history, and yes, the US has invaded many counties, but has gone to great lengths to ensure they were within international laws or at least made it seem so at the time. 

Russia failed to cover up anything and invaded a country becasue it wanted to rid the country of NAZI's and to protect the Russia language... even you got to admit that is a reach... it got away with an invasion the first time and the west sat back like it was stunned... Putin thought the same thing would happen again, this time he was going to swallow a larger chunk, look who the world leaders are the US, GB, France, do they instill any confidence, or did they embolden Putin.

[Boges]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-news-russia-us-army-101st-airborne-nato-war-games-romania/

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Mihail Kogălniceanu, Romania — The U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division has been deployed to Europe for the first time in almost 80 years amid soaring tension between Russia and the American-led NATO military alliance. The light infantry unit, nicknamed the "Screaming Eagles," is trained to deploy on any battlefield in the world within hours, ready to fight.

CBS News joined the division's Deputy Commander, Brigadier General John Lubas, and Colonel Edwin Matthaidess, Commander of the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, on a Black Hawk helicopter for the hour-long ride to the very edge of NATO territory — only around three miles from Romania's border with Ukraine.

 

This is the unit made famous in the HBO Series Band of Brothers. 

Russia is effed. 

[Moonbox]

27 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I'm in NB , but i do have the internet which does have Russian media on it, somewhere in the middle is the truth. And right now, Russian military is losing ground on all fronts except one where the Wagner group is operating.  

Somewhere between (rather than in the middle of) what Russia says and what Ukraine is saying.  I only make that distinction because Putin's whole narrative is so completely batshit that we'd be doing a disservice to reality-subscribing folk everywhere giving him that much credibility. 

While the media goes on about how many Russian soldiers have died/been wounded, we not-so-curiously don't have numbers on Ukrainian casualties.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were even or even worse than Russia's, but we have know way of knowing.  What cannot be faked, however, is where the battle-lines currently are vs where they were a month ago.  

As for the Wagner group, they're not really getting anywhere either.  They've been trying to capture the same town for like 2 months now and have started digging in and building fortifications along their operating area.  

 

[Army Guy]

11 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Somewhere between (rather than in the middle of) what Russia says and what Ukraine is saying.  I only make that distinction because Putin's whole narrative is so completely batshit that we'd be doing a disservice to reality-subscribing folk everywhere giving him that much credibility. 

While the media goes on about how many Russian soldiers have died/been wounded, we not-so-curiously don't have numbers on Ukrainian casualties.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were even or even worse than Russia's, but we have know way of knowing.  What cannot be faked, however, is where the battle-lines currently are vs where they were a month ago.  

As for the Wagner group, they're not really getting anywhere either.  They've been trying to capture the same town for like 2 months now and have started digging in and building fortifications along their operating area.  

 

Ukrainian casualties are made public, last i heard is well over 400 K have died in this conflict, posted on here somewhere, i think. mostly civilian, how many of that is military, i would assume at least 50 to 80k or a little bit more. Interviews from Ukrainian front-line units describe causality rates at 80% or more. This is high intensity warfare, where just turning on your phone will attract a full bombardment of some sort. 

Ukraine had thousands of troops training all over Europe, receiving real training not the fake Russian shit, trained troops are much better than raw recruits.

Yes they have been at it for a while, but they are the only Russian group making gains however small. the rest are falling back trying not to get cut off.  fall is coming along with wet weather; things will slow down a bit.  

[taxme]

On 10/22/2022 at 7:23 PM, Army Guy said:

And what of the other ex-Warsaw pact countries do they surrender as well, do we vote them out of NATO, why has Putin drawn a line in the sand stating that Ukraine is the last straw, when many other NATO countries also border Russia.

Russia, before this Ukraine war was feared by most of the world. it was thought they had a very modern military, that could fight, when in reality Ukraine has shown this to be a hollow core at best. Putin has destroyed that reputation of Russia being a world power, now it is only a nuclear menace with a mad man on the trigger.

Yes, Zelensky has dropped his draws and pissed on Putin's Russia, but that is not worth destroying the planet over, nor is it an excuse for Russia to invade, which is Putin's style, well Russia style anyways. 

The only ones that we should all fear is America and NATO. They both have involved themselves in a feud between two countries that they should have stayed out of in the first place and which is none of their gawd dam business. Ukraine is not even a part of NATO so why the hell is America so interested in what is going on in Ukraine today?

It would appear as though America has some nefarious like business dealings going on in Ukraine. Otherwise, why is America trying to get involved in this feud? Explain that one to me if you can? 

Apparently, rumor has is that America is not building up it's military forces in Europe which can only mean one thing? America plans to get involved militarily. Wake up army guy, globalist Zelensky and America is the problem here. 

America has many troops in many countries. Russia does not. Who is the real aggressor here? Think boy think. ?

[taxme]

On 10/22/2022 at 11:03 PM, DogOnPorch said:

 

It's very interesting as to why Jewish Israel is supporting Nazi Zelensky in Ukraine. Is there something wrong with this picture? Sure looks like it to me alright. ?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

I'm not here to debate history, and yes, the US has invaded many counties, but has gone to great lengths to ensure they were within international laws or at least made it seem so at the time. 

Russia failed to cover up anything and invaded a country becasue it wanted to rid the country of NAZI's and to protect the Russia language... even you got to admit that is a reach... it got away with an invasion the first time and the west sat back like it was stunned... Putin thought the same thing would happen again, this time he was going to swallow a larger chunk, look who the world leaders are the US, GB, France, do they instill any confidence, or did they embolden Putin.

Hey I think the invasion is over the top too but...one has to admit the weak leadership does lead to this sort of thing.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

"I SEE NOTHING!!!!!" - CTV, CBC, CNN, Biden, Trudeau, etc. 

 @BeaverFever @Aristides @Rebound  @robosmith @EveryOtherLeftardHere

[taxme]

On 10/23/2022 at 6:28 AM, BeaverFever said:

The version of reality that you offer above is a hilarious and delusional portrait that not only falsifies and distorts the facts but highlights your shocking lack of understanding of how the world works and what is legal or moral  

You are such a know-nothing crackpot  sucker of Kremlin propaganda, on every issue you make the other right l-wing crazies on this site seem moderate and reasonable by comparison. 

I honestly don’t feel obligated to debate basic concepts and facts with people who are so deranged they  believe the world is under some insidious global conspiracy that involves everyone on the planet except Trump, Putin and their followers. 

Sure, whatever you say you old Nazi Zelensky supporter you. Zerlensky's army is full of Nazi's. What do you have to say about that, Zelensky lover? If you knew anything about the media at all you should know by now that the lying leftist liberal bought off globalist MSM never reports the truth. They lie. And no, I do not work for the Kremlin. Shocking, eh?

All I try to do here is try and get the other side of the story that you refuse to do yourself. That makes a person like you a closed minded person. To know one side of the story, is to know nothing at all. I personally think that you do know nothing at all. Just saying. 

Your world of reality is totally fkd up. You are the hilarious one here. And you are very good at trying to distort the real facts and issues as to what is really going on in Ukraine? Do you work for the CBC by chance? Just wondering. 

You cannot debate anything because you cannot debate anything. I have asked you twice already as to why or what are your reasons for your support of Nazi Zelensky and you still refuse to answer?you come back with attacks instead of answers. You call that debating? You pretty much resemble a know nothing crackpot here yourself.

And why are you calling some other members here "right wing"? I don't see them as being right wing at all. I see them as only debating and asking posting real questions and that to you makes them out to be nothing more than a bunch of racists Nazi's or something like that just because you do not agree with their opinions and points of view? I guess then that must make you one of those intolerant lefty liberal commie loving left wingers out there, eh lefty? LOL. 

[taxme]

On 10/23/2022 at 8:17 AM, Moonbox said:

What an enlightened and measured take .  I guess taxme also supports pedophiles, Islamic terrorists and communist China then.  The media attacks these things as well, so using his own super-genius reasoning, he must go the exact opposite.  ?

That meme you posted above is probably a picture of you running around in circles all day long and never actually getting anywhere in life. You would make a great circus clown. LOL.

Nice try, but I cannot recall ever seeing the Canadian Communist Broadcasting Corporation really ever attacking pedophiles, attacking Islamic terrorists or China. To the CBC that would be seen as being way too racist or anti-pedophilia to do so. But I do see all the time the CBC attacking and mocking anyone who calls themselves or is a conservative. Conservatives are always labelled as a bunch of racists, Nazi's, white supremos or right wing. One can always count on the CBC to show it's lefty liberal bias and hatred for those they do not agree with the commies. 

Just for the record, I despise pedophiles, Islamic terrorists and China. All three are evil. And I despise even more lefty liberals like you the most. Liberals like you have nothing to offer mankind but unsolvable problems, chaos and mayhem. 

Believe it or not. I do. ?

[Moonbox]

7 minutes ago, taxme said:

That meme you posted above is probably a picture of you running around in circles all day long and never actually getting anywhere in life. You would make a great circus clown. LOL.

 ? NO YOU!

7 minutes ago, taxme said:

Nice try, but I cannot recall ever seeing the Canadian Communist Broadcasting Corporation really ever attacking pedophiles, attacking Islamic terrorists or China. To the CBC that would be seen as being way too racist or anti-pedophilia to do so. 

Here's an extensive one.  It took me 5 seconds to find.  

https://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/episodes/the-prince-and-the-paedophile

How do you guys reconcile saying stuff this stupid when it's disproven this easily?  

7 minutes ago, taxme said:

Just for the record, I despise pedophiles, Islamic terrorists and China. All three are evil.

but the mainstream media criticizes these, and you said that you support anything they criticize.  It therefore seems you said something really stupid.  Oops?  

7 minutes ago, taxme said:

And I despise even more lefty liberals like you the most. Liberals like you have nothing to offer mankind but unsolvable problems, chaos and mayhem. 

What do you think you're accomplishing with a post like this?  Are you a 13 year old schoolgirl?  I couldn't possibly care less about how you feel towards me, nor take you any less seriously than I already do. ?

Spend more time thinking before writing your hysterical and emotionally loaded nonsense, and maybe you'll have a better time.  

 

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

 ? NO YOU!

Grow up.

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Here's an extensive one.  It took me 5 seconds to find.  

https://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/episodes/the-prince-and-the-paedophile

That's pedophilia?

He could have come to Canada and had sex with a 17 yr old legally ffs. 

Taxme was talking about actual pedophilia. 

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How do you guys reconcile saying stuff this stupid when it's disproven this easily?  

You're talking about other people saying stupid things? Get a mirror bro, and find some examples of CBC actually talking about pedophilia in NA.

CNN had two producers that were pedophiles, John Griffin and Rick Saleeby, who both quit within two weeks of each other back when Ghislaine was being sentenced.

Find a story about them on CBC. Or CTV. Or Global. Isn't a big deal when a major NA news network has two execs who are pedophiles?

"We see nothing!"

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but the mainstream media criticizes these, and you said that you support anything they criticize.  It therefore seems you said something really stupid.  Oops?  

They criticize them when it's politically convenient. When it's not, they're actually heroes sometimes.

For example, after Trump killed Suleimani, the highest-ranking terrorist in the world, suddenly the MSM was describing him as "a beloved father figure to the Iranian people."

I had that quote linked in here before but it's not coming up in a google search anymore, and my forum search is timing out. 

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What do you think you're accomplishing with a post like this?  Are you a 13 year old schoolgirl? 

Stop flirting.

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  I couldn't possibly care less about how you feel towards me, nor take you any less seriously than I already do. ?

Spend more time thinking before writing your hysterical and emotionally loaded nonsense, and maybe you'll have a better time.  

I think that's mutual. Everyone with an IQ over 90 feels that way about you. 

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, taxme said:

The only ones that we should all fear is America and NATO. They both have involved themselves in a feud between two countries that they should have stayed out of in the first place and which is none of their gawd dam business. Ukraine is not even a part of NATO so why the hell is America so interested in what is going on in Ukraine today?

It would appear as though America has some nefarious like business dealings going on in Ukraine. Otherwise, why is America trying to get involved in this feud? Explain that one to me if you can? 

Apparently, rumor has is that America is not building up it's military forces in Europe which can only mean one thing? America plans to get involved militarily. Wake up army guy, globalist Zelensky and America is the problem here. 

America has many troops in many countries. Russia does not. Who is the real aggressor here? Think boy think. ?

Sorry Taxme, but it is hard to respond to your conspiracy theories, in my world the sky is blue, and based on reality.