eyeball Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, sharkman said: No eyeball, I want you to follow Justin Trudeau’s advice: Why in creation would I want to do that? He's a silly empty-headed dilettante and I bet even his spiritual contacts say the same thing about him. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
West Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 8 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Not sure what to believe in all this. The article you linked also has links to a BBC report.: "We start with the revival of the baseless conspiracy theory, known as the 'Great Reset', which claims a group of world leaders orchestrated the pandemic to take control of the global economy. The conspiracy theory has its origins in a genuine plan entitled 'The Great Reset', drawn up by the World Economic Forum (WEF), the organisers of an annual conference for high-profile figures from politics and business. The plan explores how countries might recover from the economic damage caused by the coronavirus pandemic." "The WEF recovery plan has been interpreted as sinister, first by fringe conspiracy theory groups on social media, and then by prominent conservative commentators - prompting tens of thousands of interactions across Facebook and Twitter. "" A video from August, which now has close to three million views on YouTube, believes only Donald Trump can thwart this secret plot, which uses Covid-19 to bring the US economy to its knees so the "reset" can begin and people will be "begging" for vaccines. But the suggestion that politicians planned the virus, or are using it to destroy capitalism is wholly without evidence. So too is the notion that the World Economic Forum has the authority to tell other countries what to do, or that it is coordinating a secret cabal of world leaders." https://www.bbc.com/news/55017002 I'm talking specifically about Trudeau's plan to use covid to reimagine economies. Typically that means a heavy beaurocratic state which abuses tax payers, drives up cost of living and ultimately does very little if anything to improve people's lives.. I personally don't think the guy is a good person therefore i don't think it's noble to vote for the guy to make yourself feel good. As for baseless conspiracy theories, no we are literally just repeating what wierdos like Schwab are saying Quote
West Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Nationalist said: According to Weforum... "The Great Reset is a proposal by the World Economic Forum to rebuild the economy sustainably following the COVID-19 pandemic. It was unveiled in May 2020 by the United Kingdom's Prince Charles and WEF director Klaus Schwab. It seeks to improve capitalism by making investments more geared toward mutual progress and focusing more on environmental initiatives. It has been criticized for using the pandemic to implement a risky experiment and a petition to stop it gained 80,000 signatures in less than 72 hours. A conspiracy theory has spread in response, claiming it will be used to bring in socialist and environmental changes and a supposed New World Order." Amazing how it's some conspiracy theory to point out the connections to all these political figures ie Trudeau using the language or prince Charles. Or to point out depopulation advocates at the Club of Rome started WEF.. using the nazi playbook Edited July 25, 2022 by West 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, West said: Amazing how it's some conspiracy theory to point out the connections to all these political figures ie Trudeau using the language or prince Charles. Or to point out depopulation advocates at the Club of Rome started WEF.. using the nazi playbook Morons who follow the edicts of people who care very little for them...if they care at all. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Michael Hardner Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 14 hours ago, ExFlyer said: My senses are overloaded and sometimes just numb. Senses don't think, they just provide information, observations. Tying the price of gas to anything requires thinking. If you analyze it, the WEF isn't a good candidate for the cause. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
ExFlyer Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Senses don't think, they just provide information, observations. Tying the price of gas to anything requires thinking. If you analyze it, the WEF isn't a good candidate for the cause. Yes, and at times, mine are overloaded, as I said. The price of gas is the only commodity that changes on a daily basis as opposed to all other on the futures market. Why? We (the collective we) allowed it to be so. WEF, as I understand it, is just a forum with a philosophical targets. It holds no authority. It is a forum to discuss. Are there points that can be taken away? For sure. Lots of very smart people at the forum. Will all the agenda items be enacted? I seriously doubt it. Yes, world, corporate and banking leaders go to the forum to discuss issues that affect world wide economic issues. The economic issues are world wide and affect Canada. Witness the war in Ukraine where grain, gas and other commodities prices shoot up world wide or a hurricane in Louisiana shutting down refiners and Canada's gas prices go through the roof. China bans Canadian products and prices go up instead of selling surplus in Canada and our prices go down. The unfortunate situation is that Canada is not an economic force, is not a manufacturing country and only exports resources and therefore is very much beholding to what the World is wanting and doing. So, is WEF the source of our poor economy or are we suffering a self inflicted wound? Edited July 25, 2022 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
sharkman Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 The WEF and WHO are different tentacles of the same monster. The WHO took the lead during Covid, most countries leaders obeyed every edict the “powerless” WHO gave. To save the people. /sarcasm. 1 Quote
West Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Yes, and at times, mine are overloaded, as I said. The price of gas is the only commodity that changes on a daily basis as opposed to all other on the futures market. Why? We (the collective we) allowed it to be so. WEF, as I understand it, is just a forum with a philosophical targets. It holds no authority. It is a forum to discuss. Are there points that can be taken away? For sure. Lots of very smart people at the forum. Will all the agenda items be enacted? I seriously doubt it. Yes, world, corporate and banking leaders go to the forum to discuss issues that affect world wide economic issues. The economic issues are world wide and affect Canada. Witness the war in Ukraine where grain, gas and other commodities prices shoot up world wide or a hurricane in Louisiana shutting down refiners and Canada's gas prices go through the roof. China bans Canadian products and prices go up instead of selling surplus in Canada and our prices go down. The unfortunate situation is that Canada is not an economic force, is not a manufacturing country and only exports resources and therefore is very much beholding to what the World is wanting and doing. So, is WEF the source of our poor economy or are we suffering a self inflicted wound? Lol.. You obviously aren't paying attention. Why are all World leaders using the same bullshit talking points after coming out of these meetings then? Gasoline could easily drop 60 cents or more overnight. The whole carbon tax scam is legalized money laundering... steal from the people then give it to corporations to "save" us 3 Quote
ExFlyer Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, West said: Lol.. You obviously aren't paying attention. Why are all World leaders using the same bullshit talking points after coming out of these meetings then? Gasoline could easily drop 60 cents or more overnight. The whole carbon tax scam is legalized money laundering... steal from the people then give it to corporations to "save" us Not paying attention to what? Every leader of every country has their own issues to resolve. The WEF is a forum to share ideas and ideology. Like I said, it has a philosophy, not regulations, polices or. procedures that need or are required to follow. What is a good idea for one country or jurisdiction may or is not even feasible for another but, there is no reason not to discuss it. The problem with you conspiracy theorists is that you are so narrow minded and fixated on your own ideas and principals that no one can have alternatives or different ideas or other ideas. You folks won't listen or even consider something other than your view. I see this on this forum all the time. Your way or dissenters are assholes that know nothing. I look at WEF (and a myriad of other groups like it) as a gathering to share ideas. Not to force any country to do anything. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
West Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Not paying attention to what? Every leader of every country has their own issues to resolve. The WEF is a forum to share ideas and ideology. Like I said, it has a philosophy, not regulations, polices or. procedures that need or are required to follow. What is a good idea for one country or jurisdiction may or is not even feasible for another but, there is no reason not to discuss it. The problem with you conspiracy theorists is that you are so narrow minded and fixated on your own ideas and principals that no one can have alternatives or different ideas or other ideas. You folks won't listen or even consider something other than your view. I see this on this forum all the time. Your way or dissenters are assholes that know nothing. I look at WEF (and a myriad of other groups like it) as a gathering to share ideas. Not to force any country to do anything. A forum to share ideas.. like mandatory lock downs of small businesses while the WEF involved go on unscathed. And you do realize we sign on to binding UN nonsense as well right? Giving away sovereignty. Edited July 25, 2022 by West Quote
ExFlyer Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, West said: A forum to share ideas.. like mandatory lock downs of small businesses while the WEF involved go on unscathed. And you do realize we sign on to binding UN nonsense as well right? Giving away sovereignty. And the WEF is also a forum. The UN is not a forum, it is a nofficaly organization that Canad a and most of the worlds nations have signed up for. Not a forum in any sense. Canada has officially agreed to join and collaborate with many organizations, NATO, USMCA, CPTPP and other Free Trade agreements just to name a few. None are forums they are binding agreements. As I mentioned, Canada is not a manufacturing country, we are a resource supplier. We need to belong to those organizations to get products we need to function and to survive. How can Canada give away sovereignty without being conquered or losing a war to someone? By making trade agreements for our needs? Or by participating on organizations that may be beneficial to us? That attending forums that may provide ideas? That is not giving away sovereignty, that is strengthening and solidifying our sovereignty. Do you have a better more viable way? . Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
West Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: And the WEF is also a forum. The UN is not a forum, it is a nofficaly organization that Canad a and most of the worlds nations have signed up for. Not a forum in any sense. Canada has officially agreed to join and collaborate with many organizations, NATO, USMCA, CPTPP and other Free Trade agreements just to name a few. None are forums they are binding agreements. As I mentioned, Canada is not a manufacturing country, we are a resource supplier. We need to belong to those organizations to get products we need to function and to survive. How can Canada give away sovereignty without being conquered or losing a war to someone? By making trade agreements for our needs? Or by participating on organizations that may be beneficial to us? That attending forums that may provide ideas? That is not giving away sovereignty, that is strengthening and solidifying our sovereignty. Do you have a better more viable way? . Again, it sounds lovely. In reality they've made you a debt slave. And you clearly don't know what you are talking about. There are plenty binding agreements we've signed, including climate hoax nonsense. So funny how you think parroting the words of politicians and other leaders in education, finance, etc. Make you some conspiracy theorist Edited July 25, 2022 by West Quote
ExFlyer Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, West said: Again, it sounds lovely. In reality they've made you a debt slave. And you clearly don't know what you are talking about. There are plenty binding agreements we've signed, including climate hoax nonsense. So funny how you think parroting the words of politicians and other leaders in education, finance, etc. Make you some conspiracy theorist Look, I am trying to have a civil conversation. You don't need to agree with me and I don't have to agree with you. I don't "parrot"anyone. If you would consider not everyone is on the same page as you, maybe you wouldn't come across as such an A hole?? Trying to converse with you is beyond a challenge. You are not the fountain of knowledge and neither am I, so we can both have our opinions and not be wrong. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
West Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Look, I am trying to have a civil conversation. You don't need to agree with me and I don't have to agree with you. I don't "parrot"anyone. If you would consider not everyone is on the same page as you, maybe you wouldn't come across as such an A hole?? Trying to converse with you is beyond a challenge. You are not the fountain of knowledge and neither am I, so we can both have our opinions and not be wrong. It's not a matter of "agreeing" it's a matter of fact... Canada has signed several BINDING agreements in the name of the Sustainable Development Goals. If you don't acknowledge that, then we cannot possibly debate whether or not these are GOOD for the average person. Edited July 25, 2022 by West Quote
ExFlyer Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, West said: It's not a matter of "agreeing" it's a matter of fact... Canada has signed several BINDING agreements in the name of the Sustainable Development Goals. If you don't acknowledge that, then we cannot possibly debate whether or not these are GOOD for the average person. It seems to be your "matter of fact", not everyones and therein lies the problem. You are not the be all end all authority. I have already stated that Canada has "officially agreed to join and collaborate with many organizations, NATO, USMCA, CPTPP and other Free Trade agreements just to name a few. " Not sure what it is that you want said?. As for what is good for the average person, well, that is up to the average person to decide, not you. You are just being argumentative for your sake. Edited July 25, 2022 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
sharkman Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, West said: It's not a matter of "agreeing" it's a matter of fact... Canada has signed several BINDING agreements in the name of the Sustainable Development Goals. If you don't acknowledge that, then we cannot possibly debate whether or not these are GOOD for the average person. West, I’m not sure if you know this, but Trudeau was groomed by the WEF. In fact, many PMs and such were picked and groomed. Its becoming more clear that nations can be identified as either pro WEF or against. There are very few resisting the move to a one world government. India, China and Russia are some of the few. Quote
ExFlyer Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, sharkman said: West, I’m not sure if you know this, but Trudeau was groomed by the WEF. In fact, many PMs and such were picked and groomed. Its becoming more clear that nations can be identified as either pro WEF or against. There are very few resisting the move to a one world government. India, China and Russia are some of the few. What a bunch of conspiracy theorist shit that is. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: The UN is not a forum, it is a nofficaly organization that Canad a and most of the worlds nations have signed up for. Not a forum in any sense. Canada has officially agreed to join and collaborate with many organizations, NATO, USMCA, CPTPP and other Free Trade agreements just to name a few. None are forums they are binding agreements. How can Canada give away sovereignty without being conquered or losing a war to someone? By making trade agreements for our needs? Or by participating on organizations that may be beneficial to us? That attending forums that may provide ideas? That is not giving away sovereignty, that is strengthening and solidifying our sovereignty. Do you have a better more viable way? . Most of the agreements we sign on to are binding to some degree and do have consequences if not followed, like NATO if Canada does not respond to a nation in a request for art 5 as a nation then it could face expulsion from the group, or even sanctions, plus a damaged world reputation. But agreeing to 2 % GDP NATO is not binding but rather an agreement to set minimum spending objectives, but even that has world reputation damage attached to it. USMCA has consequences as well, break the basic concepts of the trade agreement and find yourself in court, or be subject to sanctions and world reputation damage or the canceling of the agreement. So in a sense, they are binding there are going to be consequences that will be forced against us... That being said I don't recall any binding agreements with the WEF. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Zeitgeist Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: What a bunch of conspiracy theorist shit that is. That’s the eternal pat response to end all criticism. Focus on ideas. There’s nothing conspiratorial about the WEF, at least not anymore. The agendas are out in the open and there will be compelling reasons to support them. You’ll be at the front of the cheerleading squad. That’s why I’m watching for proclamations of crisis, the inevitable fear porn, and the noble solution offered to save us. I hope the coming economic challenges and inevitable coming natural disasters (that we’ve always had) don’t result in more extreme power grabs. Climate change, nuclear war, racism, and Covid don’t scare me nearly as much as governments’ proven ability to take our rights and freedoms. Quote
ExFlyer Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: Most of the agreements we sign on to are binding to some degree and do have consequences if not followed, like NATO if Canada does not respond to a nation in a request for art 5 as a nation then it could face expulsion from the group, or even sanctions, plus a damaged world reputation. But agreeing to 2 % GDP NATO is not binding but rather an agreement to set minimum spending objectives, but even that has world reputation damage attached to it. USMCA has consequences as well, break the basic concepts of the trade agreement and find yourself in court, or be subject to sanctions and world reputation damage or the canceling of the agreement. So in a sense, they are binding there are going to be consequences that will be forced against us... That being said I don't recall any binding agreements with the WEF. My point exactly. WEF is a "Forum". Nothing binding. Take what is said and use it or not. No consequence either way. Making it more than it is, is just being paranoid. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 I am no expert on this topic, and i do find the reading interesting on both sides, but far from being an expert. 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: That’s the eternal pat response to end all criticism. Focus on ideas. There’s nothing conspiratorial about the WEF, at least not anymore. The agendas are out in the open and there will be compelling reasons to support them. You’ll be at the front of the cheerleading squad. That’s why I’m watching for proclamations of crisis, the inevitable fear porn, and the noble solution offered to save us. I hope the coming economic challenges and inevitable coming natural disasters (that we’ve always had) don’t result in more extreme power grabs. Climate change, nuclear war, racism, and Covid don’t scare me nearly as much as governments’ proven ability to take our rights and freedoms. No response to criticism. My response was to balderdash. The paranoia around WEF is what is frightening. WEF proclamations are nothing, just banter. Actually, I have never heard nor read a WEF proclamation. It would hold no weight nor consequence nor authority. Just talk. Any government can legislate almost everything. Hopefully our government with its checks and balances will not end in that and before you start, no one in Canada has lost any rights or freedoms. If they had, there would be many many more in jail or in courts than the few fools that broke small bylaws Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, Army Guy said: I am no expert on this topic, and i do find the reading interesting on both sides, but far from being an expert. There is no one here that could even begin to claim expertise in economics, let alone world macro economics. The old saying that money makes the world go round does have merit though Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Zeitgeist Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: No response to criticism. My response was to balderdash. The paranoia around WEF is what is frightening. WEF proclamations are nothing, just banter. Actually, I have never heard nor read a WEF proclamation. It would hold no weight nor consequence nor authority. Just talk. Any government can legislate almost everything. Hopefully our government with its checks and balances will not end in that and before you start, no one in Canada has lost any rights or freedoms. If they had, there would be many many more in jail or in courts than the few fools that broke small bylaws You should care. Trudeau and Freeland are “Young Global Leaders”. Freeland is a WEF trustee. Our political leaders are too heavily influenced by unelected organizations. Canada’s involvement with and signatures to certain agreements can have far reaching consequences. UNDRIP is one example. Sorry you’ll have to look it up. Our government spends too much time and too many tax dollars cozying up to organizations that push policies that may not be in the interests of Canadians. Edited July 25, 2022 by Zeitgeist Quote
ExFlyer Posted July 25, 2022 Report Posted July 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: You should care. Trudeau and Freeland are “Young Global Leaders”. Freeland is a WEF trustee. Our political leaders are too heavily influenced by unelected organizations. Canada’s involvement with and signatures to certain agreements can have far reaching consequences. UNDRIP is one example. Sorry you’ll have to look it up. Our government spends too much time and too many tax dollars cozying up to organizations that push policies that may not be in the interests of Canadians. Not even a bit worried. I am not all paranoid. Canada's trade and military and other agreements are not all Trudeau, we have been signing deals for many decades. None of what you are trying to portray is new or newsworthy. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
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