cougar Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, ironstone said: I'm sure that Alberta has paid way more than they ever received in equalization. Alberta has paid $611 Billion in transfer payments from 1961 to 2017 | The Post Millennial Except they did not clean up their mess. If they have to do that, they will be in the hole again begging for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, ironstone said: I'm sure that Alberta has paid way more than they ever received in equalization. Alberta has paid $611 Billion in transfer payments from 1961 to 2017 | The Post Millennial Alberta has been perpetually robbed because they don't have the political weight to effect change in Ottawa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: You want to bet? You don't think there are people loyal to this country who would fight to protect it? Yes, the tactics are demented, but so is someone who would try to wreck this country. It is pragmatic to break apart a country in which a majority gets its money from hardworking provinces. It isn't pragmatic to force them to stay with a gun pointed at them. And no one will die for provinces to remain in this country. No one cares about a post national country with no identity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, ironstone said: No offense, but the Atlantic provinces are heavily subsidized by the "west". You should be eternally grateful for the enormous amount of money that has flowed into your province. How would you feel if it were the other way around and the west was siphoning billions from the Atlantic provinces for decades? It wasn't that long ago that Saskatchewan and Alberta were getting equalization transfers, before oil was discovered in Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 hours ago, West said: And the alternative is staying in a confederation that strangles your industry? Most of our resources go to the US anyway. How are the Keystone pipeline and Line 5 working out for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, cougar said: Except they did not clean up their mess. If they have to do that, they will be in the hole again begging for money. Asking for relief is more accurate than begging for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just now, ironstone said: Asking for relief is more accurate than begging for money. It will not be called relief, because when you brought so many people from other places to work in the oil and gas and there is no sustainable industry for them to go to, it is handouts. You will not see your money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: It wasn't that long ago that Saskatchewan and Alberta were getting equalization transfers, before oil was discovered in Alberta. Actually it has been almost 60 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, cougar said: Except they did not clean up their mess. If they have to do that, they will be in the hole again begging for money. Really? Where would that money come from, would Trudeau just print another $611 Billion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: It is pragmatic to break apart a country in which a majority gets its money from hardworking provinces. Alberta and Saskatchewan are not anymore hardworking than the rest of Canada. We are sitting on a vast fortune in uranium and abundant oil. We are born rich. So are Ontario and Quebec blessed with geography, Bc with multiple resources etc. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 In my earlier post, I am surprised no one was concerned with the prospect of replacing successive Liberal governments with the NDP. Also, the likelihood of greater US domination or even annexation. (No offence Ms. Bush Cheney) The US is a wonderful country but we sure as heck don't want to be them. They would suck us dry over night. Then you have no oil, no uranium and no country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: Actually it has been almost 60 years. Clearly, you are younger than me. 60 years isn't that long ago to me.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Clearly, you are younger than me. 60 years isn't that long ago to me.? The program didn't start until 1957 so clearly Alberta has been contributing a lot longer than it was ever receiving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 45 minutes ago, cougar said: Except they did not clean up their mess. If they have to do that, they will be in the hole again begging for money. Full cost accounting is a real bitch alright and just wait until natural capital becomes an asset class. All I can say is, it's a good thing the world's national debts aren't held by impatient capitalistic aliens with a dim view towards poor quarterly reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 Canada never had a serious citizen's dialogue and determination of values, as well as conscious and deliberate creation and construction of democratic institutions, by citizens and for the citizens. Maybe it is time for that or near, if not here and now then at least a number of distinct issues are firming. Eventually it could result in first distinction and then separation by essential values. In some parts the rule of a liberal mob annihilating all and any freedom for the sake of some new new dawn can be accepted. In others there would be limits, checks, controls and boundaries. In the long run I can't see how both could share same physical place and governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 48 minutes ago, West said: Alberta has been perpetually robbed because they don't have the political weight to effect change in Ottawa. Everyone gets that feeling - like that feeling they're at the center of a vast conspiracy that's somehow focused on them. You didn't see the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? Apparently everyone in the universe get this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, eyeball said: Everyone gets that feeling - like that feeling they're at the center of a vast conspiracy that's somehow focused on them. You didn't see the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? Apparently everyone in the universe get this. Do you see Trudeau implementing taxes that would directly screw over the auto industry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 hours ago, EastCanada90 said: sigh are the west still crying? jesus i mean he bought a pipeline for you guys with like 4.5billion of our money.. what else do you whiny western people want? Man you got balls, Atlantic Canada has been sucking on the federals tit since for ever, who do you think pays your welfare checks, or poggy.... and you some how think they threw a measly 4.5 bil and bought a pipeline now they are even...then tell them STFU. The best thing that could happen to this country is make all the provinces live within there means... Put those welfare persons to work, same as those seasonal workers... can't make a living then move back home with mom, or maybe it is a new concept get 2 or 3 jobs...or better yet rent a trailer and move where the work is... But no you going to stand up and complain your not getting your share. You are what is wrong with this country...your afraid of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, West said: Do you see Trudeau implementing taxes that would directly screw over the auto industry? Not first hand no, but maybe I was too preoccupied to notice because Ottawa was also busily demolishing fisheries that sustained British Columbians for generations. Did you see that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 35 minutes ago, myata said: Canada never had a serious citizen's dialogue and determination of values, as well as conscious and deliberate creation and construction of democratic institutions, by citizens and for the citizens. Maybe it is time for that or near, if not here and now then at least a number of distinct issues are firming. Eventually it could result in first distinction and then separation by essential values. In some parts the rule of a liberal mob annihilating all and any freedom for the sake of some new new dawn can be accepted. In others there would be limits, checks, controls and boundaries. In the long run I can't see how both could share same physical place and governments. The Spicer Commission, the Citizen's Forum on Canada's Future, was a pretty good attempt. Everybody in the country had the opportunity to give input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) Doesn’t the oil in Alberta belong to Canadians? Do the northern portions of Norway horde their resources and deny its benefits from the other citizens of Norway? Edited February 2, 2022 by TreeBeard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Doesn’t the oil in Alberta belong to Canadians? Do the northern portions of Norway horde their resources and deny its benefits from the other citizens of Norway? So blame Canada for what has been done with resource revenues. The money that has flowed out of Alberta to Ottawa has been used for what? It could have been used for the same purposes as Norway has used its oil revenues but hasn't. Blame Ottawa for that, not Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Really? Where would that money come from, would Trudeau just print another $611 Billion? It will come from the stacks you have stashed in your basement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, eyeball said: All I can say is, it's a good thing the world's national debts aren't held by impatient capitalistic aliens with a dim view towards poor quarterly reports. They can\t be impatient because there is nothing more to collect and they know it. The national debt is not about collecting material things any more; it is only about control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, cougar said: It will come from the stacks you have stashed in your basement. I'm not an Albertan, they sent their staches to Ottawa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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