Nationalist Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, cougar said: Where are your shoes and jacket made? Please tell me so I can follow your example. Also computer and iPhone.... I started this yesterday and then became obsessed with checking. This is what I found: Shoes - Adidas made in Japan or China (this surprised me), NewBalance made in USA Jacket - Helly Hansen made in Bangladesh (another surprise) Phones - Samsung made in Korea. Laptops - Personal HP made in USA (components from China) - Work Lenovo made in China (IBM...go figure...) Kitchen appliances - Whirlpool made in USA / Keureg China (this surprised me) TV - RCA made in Korea Cloths - Levis made in China (again...I was surprised by this) - shirts of variety of makes made in China, Korea, USA and Bangladesh Cars - Chevy made in USA, VW made in USA Golf Clubs - Wilson made in USA, Callaway made in USA Hockey Equip. - Bauer made in Canada or Czech At this point my wife got testy and made me quit rummaging around. It was a frustrating evening for me. The more I dug and rummaged, the more I found "Made in China" on things I had not suspected were made in China. And my wife is especially strict about the "Made in China" label. We need to bring manufacturing back to North America. We actually try...or so I thought...to never buy Chinese made goods, but they have obviously gotten bought by us. I showed this to my wife just before posting. Apparently we're gonna do a better job of watching labels. I am really shocked that Levis are made in China. Now I have to find a new casual cloths maker. 2 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ExFlyer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 20 hours ago, cougar said: I'm not sure he admires it. Can you live without China for a year or two? Nearly all our goods are made in China - you will be walking naked in the street if we severed our ties. It all started long before Trudeau, he inherited this situation. Why did this happen? Because of greedy capitalists who needed cheap overseas labor and sold us the global market economy concept. There you go, you can't do nothing about it now. Maybe we, the consumer, demanded cheaper goods and the "greedy capitalists" only capitulated to our demands? Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, Nationalist said: Actually...it started with his dad. I could live without Chinese made goods. In fact...I already do. While your intent is admirable, I don't think it is achievable. As you determined in a later post. Edited April 13, 2022 by ExFlyer Added line to acknowledge later post Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
sharkman Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) Let me add to the list, because my Levis are made in Mexico. Buffalo jeans made in Cambodia. Schiit Audio, made in USA. - They make stand-alone dacs, headphone amps, and a smattering of old school 2 channel audio products. Totem Acoustics -Speakers mostly made in Canada. Braun Shavers, still made in Germany Carhartt work clothing. Made in Pakistan, Vietnam, but some might be China. Asics shoes, Vietnam Canada West boots, made in Winnipeg. Red Wing boots, mostly made in USA. Channel Lock, Klein Tools. Hand tools made in USA. Knipex made in Germany. Leatherman, one of the only multitool brands still made in USA. Defund China. Re-fund domestic production, or at least non China production where ever you can. Edited April 13, 2022 by sharkman Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 "'Freedom Convoy' leader Pat King seeking release from jail" today. Quote King's new lawyer, David Goodman, requested a publication ban on the hearing, which the judge granted. That means any evidence and testimony cannot be reported. Publication bans are routine in bail hearings. King's prior proceedings were unusual in that there was no such ban. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/freedom-convoy-leader-pat-king-seeking-release-from-jail-1.5859046 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
West Posted April 13, 2022 Author Report Posted April 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: "'Freedom Convoy' leader Pat King seeking release from jail" today. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/freedom-convoy-leader-pat-king-seeking-release-from-jail-1.5859046 It's a joke that the guy was ever arrested. You may not like him or what he has to say but that doesn't mean tax payers should be abused because Trudeau had his feelings hurt. Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 32 minutes ago, West said: It's a joke that the guy was ever arrested. You may not like him or what he has to say but that doesn't mean tax payers should be abused because Trudeau had his feelings hurt. I actually could not care less about him but he is "facing 10 charges in relation to his role during the ‘Freedom Convoy’ protests that occupied downtown Ottawa for three weeks, including intimidation, obstructing police and mischief." Like it or not, those charges were and are enough to keep him sittin in cells since 18 Feb. He finally selected a lawyer so, one reason he has been in the clink so long is his own doing. Oh and Trudeau has nothing to do with being charges with breaking bylaws and/or local laws. Not defending Trudeau or the libs , just correcting misconception. 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Nationalist Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: While your intent is admirable, I don't think it is achievable. As you determined in a later post. Indeed. It would be "achievable" if our leaders would grow a spine and stand up to these destructive globalists. We need to bring manufacturing back. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ExFlyer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Indeed. It would be "achievable" if our leaders would grow a spine and stand up to these destructive globalists. We need to bring manufacturing back. I think that is simplistic and wrong. You need to convince consumers that they should pay more for their goods. Businesses are not charities, never have been and never will be. The make and sell stuff and if it costs too much, consumers won't buy it and they don't sell stuff. The governments have already tried the Buy Canadian (or Buy American) tactic but we, the Canadian buyers said no, we want it cheaper. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Nationalist Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 Just now, ExFlyer said: I think that is simplistic and wrong. You need to convince consumers that they should pay more for their goods. Businesses are not charities, never have been and never will be. The make and sell stuff and if it costs too much, consumers won't buy it and they don't sell stuff. The governments have already tried the Buy Canadian (or Buy American) tactic but we, the Canadian buyers said no, we want it cheaper. I'm not convinced of that. At least not for everything. Apple - Moved manufacturing to China and costs went up. Their profit margin went up too. Same for all those IT things. Laptops...did they get cheaper? Nope. Cloths we need to work on. I would tax and tariff the hell outta companies like Levi so that it makes no sense to make jeans in China. Same goes for all the junk from other nations. I'm not saying these countries can't make things and import to Canada and the USA. I'm saying when Levi's and Apple and any US or Canada based company off-shores their manufacturing, they need to be charged at a rate that evens the playing field for our own manufacturing. I do not believe the governments really tried to sell the Buy American or Canadian message. I think if they really tried, especially with what we all know now, it would be an easy sell to the public. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
West Posted April 13, 2022 Author Report Posted April 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I actually could not care less about him but he is "facing 10 charges in relation to his role during the ‘Freedom Convoy’ protests that occupied downtown Ottawa for three weeks, including intimidation, obstructing police and mischief." Like it or not, those charges were and are enough to keep him sittin in cells since 18 Feb. He finally selected a lawyer so, one reason he has been in the clink so long is his own doing. Oh and Trudeau has nothing to do with being charges with breaking bylaws and/or local laws. Not defending Trudeau or the libs , just correcting misconception. ?. Considering police actually directed the parking of the trucks, my description is more accurate. It's a political arrest and a shame that this is happening in a supposedly "free and democratic" country 2 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, West said: ?. Considering police actually directed the parking of the trucks, my description is more accurate. It's a political arrest and a shame that this is happening in a supposedly "free and democratic" country I am pretty sure he is not being charged with obstructing traffic LOL Maybe he should have stayed off social media... his remarks become evidence. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I'm not convinced of that. At least not for everything. Apple - Moved manufacturing to China and costs went up. Their profit margin went up too. Same for all those IT things. Laptops...did they get cheaper? Nope. Cloths we need to work on. I would tax and tariff the hell outta companies like Levi so that it makes no sense to make jeans in China. Same goes for all the junk from other nations. I'm not saying these countries can't make things and import to Canada and the USA. I'm saying when Levi's and Apple and any US or Canada based company off-shores their manufacturing, they need to be charged at a rate that evens the playing field for our own manufacturing. I do not believe the governments really tried to sell the Buy American or Canadian message. I think if they really tried, especially with what we all know now, it would be an easy sell to the public. Can't speak to cost of manufacture but, if it went up in China where labour is very cheap, imagine how much it would have gone up with having to pay going rates ($20 - 30 per hour or more?) plus benefits? I think Trump tried the tariff thing (even with Canadian imports) and that quietly went away as prices climbed way up and imports fell and shortages became the norm. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Nationalist Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: Can't speak to cost of manufacture but, if it went up in China where labour is very cheap, imagine how much it would have gone up with having to pay going rates ($20 - 30 per hour or more?) plus benefits? I think Trump tried the tariff thing (even with Canadian imports) and that quietly went away as prices climbed way up and imports fell and shortages became the norm. Actually I believe the Trump tariffs on China are still in place. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
West Posted April 13, 2022 Author Report Posted April 13, 2022 51 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I am pretty sure he is not being charged with obstructing traffic LOL Maybe he should have stayed off social media... his remarks become evidence. So being charged for thought crimes. What a lovely country we have ? Quote
sharkman Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 51 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Can't speak to cost of manufacture but, if it went up in China where labour is very cheap, imagine how much it would have gone up with having to pay going rates ($20 - 30 per hour or more?) plus benefits? I think Trump tried the tariff thing (even with Canadian imports) and that quietly went away as prices climbed way up and imports fell and shortages became the norm. There are many companies that are doing fine manufacturing domestically. Schiit Audio is one. They are making small personal electronics and beating China at their own game. One report a couple years back said they were moving 70,000 units per month. Using mostly domestic parts. So if an electronics manufacturer can do this, it’s possible for just about any industry to figure out a way. Quote
eyeball Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 23 hours ago, WestCanMan said: 2) That was actually a very sensible post. People like you & Dialamah, who are in favour of forcing children to be injected with a harmful substance that doesn't benefit them, would definitely support the euthanizing of pets, although you'd probably leave it to someone else. We should get little kids to do the euthanizing. Harden the little bastards up so they're better at crushing protesters with tanks later in life. Kindergarten should be more like a Klingon military prep school - weed out the snowflakes early before they pollute society. 3 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ExFlyer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, West said: So being charged for thought crimes. What a lovely country we have ? If you think it's one thing, if you broadcast on social media, it is no longer "thought" LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, sharkman said: There are many companies that are doing fine manufacturing domestically. Schiit Audio is one. They are making small personal electronics and beating China at their own game. One report a couple years back said they were moving 70,000 units per month. Using mostly domestic parts. So if an electronics manufacturer can do this, it’s possible for just about any industry to figure out a way. If so, great. It seems this German company are assemblers. Using components they got from elsewhere, assemble the component to make a consumer product. You are right, there are companies that assemble but, they get their parts from somewhere else ( Asia?). Point is that it is cheaper to manufacture in Asia than here. Edited April 13, 2022 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
sharkman Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: If so, great. It seems this German company are assemblers. Using components they got from elsewhere, assemble the component to make a consumer product. You are right, there are companies that assemble but, they get their parts from somewhere else ( Asia?). Point is that it is cheaper to manufacture in Asia than here. Wrong. It’s an American start up, they started from scratch assembling in the one partner’s garage. They use mostly domestically sourced parts. I’m repeating myself from the post you quoted. Edited April 13, 2022 by sharkman Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, sharkman said: Wrong. It’s an American start up, they started from scratch assembling in the one partner’s garage. They use mostly domestically sourced parts. I’m repeating myself from the post you quoted. You are correct. Sorry. I dispute the mostly domestically manufactured parts though. Could be wrong but OK. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Michael Hardner Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Point is that it is cheaper to manufacture in Asia than here. And "buying Canadian" really isn't a thing in an economy where there are no barriers to China, since they will force down the prices of any competing products. As you point out, 'assemblers' and third parties in other countries make it difficult to determine what comes from China and what doesn't. When Trump tried his stupid trade war with China, they just went through 3rd party countries anyway. This all came out of a statement above about this Trudeau quote from 9 years ago:"The Liberal leader said: “There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say, ‘We need to go green … we need to start investing in solar.’” A gaffe for sure, but there's definitely something in there that the Trucker Convoy themselves have covertly longed for: ACTION. Quick and unilateral action is something populists often express a want for - and you can see it in the comments here quite often. Populists often express frustration with process, and demand Judges and Politicians to step across jurisdictions and just... act. The thing they don't always release is that the myriad processes and blockers to moving quickly work in their favour as much as they work against them. Trudeau's expression reveals a demand to lock down Canada along Green lines because, well, he thinks it's a good idea. The processes are there to check power, to stop him from repossessing your guns, your cow, your cigarettes, your leaded gas engine, and such... on a whim. They don't work all the time, but most of the time. Be careful what you wish for. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
WestCanMan Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 3 hours ago, West said: It's a political arrest and a shame that this is happening in a supposedly "free and democratic" country It's even more of a shame that the people who support taking political prisoners in our country also applaud Kamala Haris's effort to bail violent rioters out of jail in the US. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 2 hours ago, eyeball said: We should get little kids to do the euthanizing. Harden the little bastards up so they're better at crushing protesters with tanks later in life. Kindergarten should be more like a Klingon military prep school - weed out the snowflakes early before they pollute society. Absolutely everything is pathetic about your post. Who the fuck would make a joke about the topic of hundreds of children who got myocarditis from a fake vaccine that they wouldn't even have needed if it was real? If it was affecting your grandchild you'd care, but the thought of someone else's grandchild in hospital or on medication indefinitely means nothing to you. Then you went on to pretend that police brutality that was captured on video is a joke too? You need help dude. You're conflating seriously injured children with partisan politics. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
ExFlyer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Posted April 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: It's even more of a shame that the people who support taking political prisoners in our country also applaud Kamala Haris's effort to bail violent rioters out of jail in the US. There is no political prisoner in Canada except for you misinterpretation. Every convoy "leader" was charged with breaking existing laws or bylaws Period. Twisting it into something that it is not is a feeble and failed attempt at subversion. Kamala Harris??? Why? Who cares? (obviously you do LOL) Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
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