Trucker's Convoy

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

How's that been working out for you?

Quite well actually. The wokesters are becoming a public joke. Are you a joke too?

[Zeitgeist]

29 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This convoy is just an excuse for every possible anarchist, anti-government, Communist s__t disturbers, criminal, anti-Covid restrictions malcontents, Marxist anarchists, fascist anarchists and revolutionaries, to raise cain.  Now we are finding that a lot of money coming into the GoFundMe campaign is coming from anonymous sources and foreign unidentified sources.  There could be a lot of money from unidentified corporations, businesses and extreme right wing groups for example who oppose the Covid restrictions that effect businesses.  There could be a lot of money from foreign actors who oppose our democratic system and want to subvert it by causing division and anarchy.  It is no "truckers convoy".  It is now a convoy of every radical anarchist who has their own agenda.  This is particularly true of the GoFundMe campaign.

That’s BS.   Thousands of truckers and regular Canadians, middle of the road people, are demanding the restoration of freedoms and respect for our constitution.  You cannot maintain totalitarian measures indefinitely without accountability.  Unfortunately the Liberal government of Canada refuses to remove its arbitrary draconian restrictions and mandates.  The Liberals are labeling anyone who opposes mandates or vaccines as right-wing radicals.  Regular everyday people at the centre of the political spectrum are seeing through the tactics to maintain government overreach.  There is nothing radical or unreasonable about the arguments behind the truck convoy.

However, if the government and the media they fund are able to sell this narrative of a threat (a new Red Menace to be put down as the Spanish Inquisition trampled on religious freedom), everyone loses because free speech loses.  The Yanks won’t be able to bail out Canadians if Canadians are unwilling to defend rights and freedoms.

Court challenges are coming due to current unconstitutional government measures   There is no guarantee that these challenges will be successful.

Mandate freedom   

 

Edited January 29, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[BubberMiley]

2 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Without truckers societies would grind to a halt. Without government, would anybody even notice any difference? 

Are you serious? For starters, what would the truckers drive on? This site is more and more like watching kindergarteners discuss public policy.

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Are you serious? For starters, what would the truckers drive on? This site is more and more like watching kindergarteners discuss public policy.

Actually truckers are like construction workers, farmers, and other people who do necessary things.  We need them.  

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Are you serious? For starters, what would the truckers drive on? This site is more and more like watching kindergarteners discuss public policy.

You are witnessing people who didn't discuss big issues (political economy, infrastructure) join the zeitgeist... painful and awkward but once the process is done, social media will have a pervasive engagement like no media before in history.

[BubberMiley]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Actually truckers are like construction workers, farmers, and other people who do necessary things.  We need them.  

Good observation there! 

[blackbird]

16 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s BS.   Thousands of truckers and regular Canadians, middle of the road people, are demanding the restoration of freedoms and respect for our constitution.  You cannot maintain totalitarian measures indefinitely without accountability.  Unfortunately the Liberal government of Canada refuses to remove its arbitrary draconian restrictions and mandates.  The Liberals are labeling anyone who opposes mandates or vaccines as right-wing radicals.  Regular everyday people at the centre of the political spectrum are seeing through the tactics to maintain government overreach.  There is nothing radical or unreasonable about the arguments behind the truck convoy.

However, if the government and the media they fund are able to sell this narrative of a threat (a new Red Menace to be put down as the Spanish Inquisition trampled on religious freedom), everyone loses because free speech loses.  The Yanks won’t be able to bail out Canadians if Canadians are unwilling to defend rights and freedoms.

Court challenges are coming due to current unconstitutional government measures   There is no guarantee that these challenges will be successful.

Mandate freedom   

 

The Charter of Rights may not work to stop mandates according to this article.  Therefore your claim that it violates the Constitution may not be valid simply because we are in a global pandemic and governments have to take measures to protect the populations.

“Section 1 of the charter says ‘all of the rights and freedoms in the charter are subject to such reasonable limits as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society,’” explained Milne.

“What that means is that there is this kind of proportional, reasonable approach that governments can actually limit people’s rights so long as they have a very good reason and can demonstrate why. A global pandemic might just be one of those reasons."  

Truth Tracker: Do vaccine mandates violate Canadians' charter rights? | CTV News

[myata]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

In free countries,

In free countries, free media informs public about events and situation, not suggest desired behaviors ("you want to avoid this area"; "did you get your booster yet?"). Mark the difference.

[ironstone]

It seems governments from all sides are rallying against the convoy. No surprise. Radical leftists always have a much longer leash to do their thing in a much more disruptive manner.

Nova Scotia bans gatherings along highway in support of trucker freedom convoy | True North (tnc.news)

 

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

that won't happen in Canada

Canadians hate freedom with a passion

No we're not. Granted, we're not as confrontational as Yankees, but we created a wonderful society here based on freedom, law and order. That accomplishment must be honored. 

Thus, we eventually recognize bullshit for what it is and work to correct our direction. 

What better sect of Canadians to point us back in the right direction, then our brothers and sisters who's profession depends on going in the right direction? 

This BS is over. Canadians know the raw data and will no longer deny it. 

[Zeitgeist]

One of the writers of our Constitution, Brian Peckford, is challenging mandates and restrictions on constitutional grounds.  

[ironstone]

20 minutes ago, West said:

How do these guys even get away with banning protests? Used to be a fundamental right in Canada

It drives me crazy. If this same amount of people were in the exact same places and were supporting something like Team Canada they would not be shut down by any government. This is not about safety it's about crushing opposing views.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The Charter of Rights may not work to stop mandates according to this article.  Therefore your claim that it violates the Constitution may not be valid simply because we are in a global pandemic and governments have to take measures to protect the populations.

“Section 1 of the charter says ‘all of the rights and freedoms in the charter are subject to such reasonable limits as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society,’” explained Milne.

“What that means is that there is this kind of proportional, reasonable approach that governments can actually limit people’s rights so long as they have a very good reason and can demonstrate why. A global pandemic might just be one of those reasons."  

Truth Tracker: Do vaccine mandates violate Canadians' charter rights? | CTV News

Indeed this is a good question. 

'Does The Rona provide our government a GOOD AND JUST reason to curtail our freedom?'

In the beginning, I think there was justification. But since about a year ago...not so much. The raw data simply does not agree with the measures. This truth is evident in the waning arguments being made.

"Its for the greater good."

"People could die."

"You're all just racist Nazis."

Nobody with any modicum of intellect doesn't recognize this as shit being flung at the wall repeatedly. 

The facts are known. The vast majority have immunity of one form or another. We have treatments. It's way past time to 'give up the ghost' of fear and panic.

We got this now.

[blackbird]

"'The Canadian revolution': How foreign anti-mandate sympathizers are framing the trucker convoy"

'The Canadian revolution': How foreign anti-mandate sympathizers are framing the trucker convoy (msn.com)

This is similar to foreign environmental organizations that run campaigns in Canada to shut down our energy and forestry industries.

[blackbird]

19 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

One of the writers of our Constitution, Brian Peckford, is challenging mandates and restrictions on constitutional grounds.  

Anybody is free to challenge the mandates in court.  But he doesn't have much chance of success.  I gave the link a little earlier this morning which explains why.  Basically the rights in the Charter are subject to reasonable limits by government (which is also in the Constitution) such as a pandemic and the need for government to take measures to protect the populations.

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, West said:

This is a protest of Canadians opposing draconian measures. If foreigners are in favor of it, don't see how that diminishes the protest. Just more smear pieces. 

The great majority of population support the mandates and health restrictions.  So having the anti-vaxxers and anti-mandate people from other countries join in the protest proves nothing.  Also mobs of white supremacists, racists wearing yellow badges to hijack the Holocaust for their cause, doesn't mean anything and they don't govern Canada.  These foreigners are actually just making things worse and generating more hate across the country.  One guy using a big semi transport truck to block roads is not a democratic protest.  It is civil disobedience.

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, West said:

It's kinda scary that a government can suspend all fundamental rights over a flu

Scary? Bah...

It was to be expected. 

Which is why we have old sayings like 'We must protect freedom.' 

Man is what Man is. We tend to covet power. And that's not a bad thing. This instinct drives us. But it can easily be over-indulged in. As it is now.

Edited January 29, 2022 by Nationalist

[Zeitgeist]

36 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Anybody is free to challenge the mandates in court.  But he doesn't have much chance of success.  I gave the link a little earlier this morning which explains why.  Basically the rights in the Charter are subject to reasonable limits by government (which is also in the Constitution) such as a pandemic and the need for government to take measures to protect the populations.

Not at all.  There are four conditions under which Charter rights may be suspended.  They are emergency measures with a high threshold of necessity that require review and justification.  The government could literally be dissolved right now by the Queen/GG on constitutional grounds.  It would mean a mandated election.  My guess is that right now there are ruminations within the Liberal Party of Canada about holding a leadership review.  Chystia Freeland is probably more popular within the party.  She is an outsider to the Tam-Duclos-Trudeau triumvirate that has blatantly turned over Canadian sovereignty to an international health organization to tell us when the pandemic is endemic and restrictions should be lifted.

Freedom is a choice which a liberal democracy constitutional monarchy must defend.  It took decades to replace the Family Compact.  The Upper Canada Rebellon was about increasing rights and freedoms.  William Mackenzie proposed that Ontario join the US over the issue of liberty.  Know your history.  Know the importance and value of our Charter.  

Edited January 29, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

Faith over fear.  
 

Mandate freedom.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Quite well actually. The wokesters are becoming a public joke. Are you a joke too?

I'm more of a jokester. 

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm more of a jokester. 

Cool.

[blackbird]

A professor of governance and ethics just said on CTV news that people who have suggested overthrowing the government could be breaking the law.  It's called sedition.  They could be arrested and charged with sedition. 

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

A professor of governance and ethics just said on CTV news that people who have suggested overthrowing the government could be breaking the law.  It's called sedition.  They could be arrested and charged with sedition. 

If the government is seen to be working against the will of the people, the Queen/GG can dissolve it.  The PM job isn’t a permanent position.  

Edited January 29, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

A professor of governance and ethics just said on CTV news that people who have suggested overthrowing the government could be breaking the law.  It's called sedition.  They could be arrested and charged with sedition. 

Ah...the Yankee solution rears its ugly head. And should nobody actually try to over throw the government. Will they invent an excuse?

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Ah...the Yankee solution rears its ugly head. And should nobody actually try to over throw the government. Will they invent an excuse?

There’s a lot of fear of false flags.  Such events become triggers.  Think of Franz Ferdinand.  I’m sure Russia and the US have similar concerns in Ukraine.  Cooler heads must prevail.