New Brunswick goes full nazi and wants to prevent unvax from buying groceries

[myata]

By the reason of total absence of 1) meaningful explanation 2) evidence supporting it and 3) substance this can be scaremongering and scapegoating for the purpose of maintaining rule and control. Has to be, by the logical principles as alternative reasonable explanations are absent.

[Queenmandy85]

On the news tonight, they reported thousands surgeries have had to be postponed to make room for covid patients, most of whom, were unvaccinated. How many cancer and heart patients are going to die because of the unvaccinated.

[Yzermandius19]

9 hours ago, suds said:

Let's say grocery stores did require proof of vaccination (to enter stores) instead of physical distancing.  There's other ways of getting groceries (and pharmacy) by pick-up and delivery where no customer has to actually enter the store. I don't agree with the anti vaccinators but i support their right to decide what goes into their bodies.  The thing is that THEY have to accept they're not the only ones who have rights.

the vaccinated are not the only ones who have rights

it isn't the anti-vaxxers who are pushing the government to restrict the rights of the vaccinated

it's the other way around

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

On the news tonight, they reported thousands surgeries have had to be postponed to make room for covid patients, most of whom, were unvaccinated. How many cancer and heart patients are going to die because of the unvaccinated.

Or did the news pull a fast one on you- how overloaded was the NB health care system before covid came along? That could be an important factor.

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

Even though we know that Covid spread at this point, given the wide majority of vaccinated people, won’t overwhelm our healthcare system, we continue to make vaccinated people mask indoors and we apply extreme pressure on a small minority of people to get vaccinated.  Why?   It’s not going to make much difference to the spread of Covid at this point.  This need to oppress and control is our biggest problem right now, not Covid.  Remove all restrictions and stop the oppression of Canadians by fascist idiots.  

[QuebecOverCanada]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Or did the news pull a fast one on you- how overloaded was the NB health care system before covid came along? That could be an important factor.

Québec cancelled surgeries back in the 2010s every winter due to the flu. The 2015 one was quite deadly.

December and January shattered records. It was at the height of the attack of the influenza A-H3N2 virus, recalls the demographer Frédéric F. Payeur, author of the chapter dealing with this phenomenon in the brand new Demographic Report of Quebec. He writes: "The peak of 223 deaths per day reached in January 2015, for a total of 6,900 deaths during the month, represents the highest number of deaths recorded in a single month in recent Quebec history."

https://www.lesoleil.com/2015/12/09/une-grippe-devastatrice-lhiver-dernier-14022a104b2290f895a90f968d3c9b87

Edited December 6, 2021 by QuebecOverCanada

[Aristides]

8 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

On the news tonight, they reported thousands surgeries have had to be postponed to make room for covid patients, most of whom, were unvaccinated. How many cancer and heart patients are going to die because of the unvaccinated.

The rights of cancer patients are of no consequence compared to the entitlements of the unvaxxed.

[Zeitgeist]

5 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Québec cancelled surgeries back in the 2010s every winter due to the flu. The 2015 one was quite deadly.

December and January shattered records. It was at the height of the attack of the influenza A-H3N2 virus, recalls the demographer Frédéric F. Payeur, author of the chapter dealing with this phenomenon in the brand new Demographic Report of Quebec. He writes: "The peak of 223 deaths per day reached in January 2015, for a total of 6,900 deaths during the month, represents the highest number of deaths recorded in a single month in recent Quebec history."

https://www.lesoleil.com/2015/12/09/une-grippe-devastatrice-lhiver-dernier-14022a104b2290f895a90f968d3c9b87

Great points.  The pandemic restrictions and mandates are unnecessary and disgusting violations of human freedom.

The current “crisis” is manufactured.   A lot of doctors where we live are barely going into the office.  If these people don’t want to work, I suppose Covid can still be milked as an excuse.

Edited December 6, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[Yzermandius19]

51 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The rights of cancer patients are of no consequence compared to the entitlements of the unvaxxed.

the rights of the unvaccinated are of no consequence to the entitlement of you

the unvaxxed aren't pushing to restrict the rights of the vaccinated

yet many people like yourself wish to restrict the rights of the unvaccinated

as if whether you have rights should be based on vaccination status

Edited December 6, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[myata]

9 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

surgeries have had to be postponed to make room for

That is not a problem in the countries with high quality efficiently run public health systems. Colonial bureaucracy here, in centuries of unquestioned and never checked rule to any reasonable standard of efficiency and quality, has come into the habit and mindset of offloading the problems that it has created on the population or some scapegoat. Want (a tiny bit) better services - pay (even) higher taxes. Want us to provide you with (our - in their understanding) services - jump through these 25 hoops. Please (maybe).

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

The rights of cancer patients are of no consequence compared to the entitlements of the unvaxxed.

Surely we can do better than a binary choice? Or are Canadians willing to accept that.

[Queenmandy85]

How is vaccination a violation of your rights? How is wearing a mask a violation of your rights? I hear some of you banging on about you friggin' rights but not a peep about your responsibilities.

By taking the precautions of masking, washing hands and social distancing last year, we almost eliminated the annual flu season last year. 

What are you afraid of? 

Edited December 6, 2021 by Queenmandy85

[dialamah]

9 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Or did the news pull a fast one on you- how overloaded was the NB health care system before covid came along? That could be an important factor.

The point is that unvaxed Covid people are now taking up all the slack they had.  If they've stressed before, they're even more stressed now.  

 

 

[Queenmandy85]

Back in March 2020, I was one of those idiots that said we were over reacting to a flu bug. Thanks to Betsy on this forum, she educated me. I'm not saying I'm not an idiot anymore, but I'm smart enough to listen to people who know more than I do. Thanks Betsy. ?

[Boges]

19 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Why bother with Human Rights and the Nuremberg code?

Consistently going Godwin makes your argument less compelling each time you do it. 

[myata]

Nothing new, did you notice? Let's us shoot this into you every three months (I didn't make it up - actually recommended by the exsperts) and make it mandatory for as long as necessary!

Sure and why not? Like what could go wrong here?

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

How is vaccination a violation of your rights? How is wearing a mask a violation of your rights? I hear some of you banging on about you friggin' rights but not a peep about your responsibilities.

By taking the precautions of masking, washing hands and social distancing last year, we almost eliminated the annual flu season last year. 

What are you afraid of? 

I assume you’re no longer working.  Try masking and adhering to protocols all day and see how you feel.  You may not agree with people’s reasons for not getting vaccinated, but that doesn’t give you the right to force vaccination on them.  Many of this small minority of unvaccinated people have lost their jobs or are suspended without pay.  They’re already excluded from mainstream social activities like restaurants and movie theatres.  Enough is enough.  Our healthcare system can manage any fallout at this point.  Those who are vulnerable have the vaccines if they want them and can make the personal choice to take additional precautions.  The fascistic government overreach has to stop.  

Edited December 6, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Try masking and adhering to protocols all day and see how you feel

Yes, nobody loves this, even those who think vaccines are a good idea.  More people than not accept that sacrifices sometimes need to be made for the greater good.  That's not fascism.

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Those who are vulnerable have the vaccines if they want them and can make the personal choice to take additional precautions.  The fascistic government overreach has to stop.  

Unvaxed are more vulnerable than vaxed people.  They should take extra precautions to avoid getting sick, such as staying home.

[Infidel Dog]

21 minutes ago, Boges said:

Consistently going Godwin makes your argument less compelling each time you do it. 

People who throw Godwin's law around just don't like how accurate comparisons to the Nazi era are of people and things they approve of.

Little known fact is Godwin did approve of Nazi comparisons to some he did not approve of. 

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said:

People who throw Godwin's law around just don't like how accurate comparisons to the Nazi era are of people and things they approve of.

Jews could not stop being Jews.  Unvaxed people can stop being unvaxed.  Jews faced incarceration, camps and death.  Unvaxed can't go to restaurants.

How apt the comparison.

/s

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

People who throw Godwin's law around just don't like how accurate comparisons to the Nazi era are of people and things they approve of.

Little known fact is Godwin did approve of Nazi comparisons to some he did not approve of. 

They aren't accurate at all. 

I think the distance between WW2 and today have made people ignorant about why those atrocities took place. 

[Infidel Dog]

Hang on for a sec you two.

Let's have a look at what was actually said and see if it really requires a dose of Godwin smug.

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If you refuse someone for work or for groceries because of his race, religion, is it ok? Because that person who is discriminated can work elsewhere or order online and it would protect the boss or merchant rights. So what is the issue?

Why bother with Human Rights and the Nuremberg code?

The Nuremberg code "is a set of research ethics principles for human experimentation".

So if one thinks this untested vaccine is actually the illegitimate experimental trial it never legitimately got can you apply the Nuremberg code as an intellectual exercise or even hyperbole without being subjected to a smug Godwin slur. 

I say, yeah you can, and Godwin can go get stuffed.

Edited December 6, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Yes, nobody loves this, even those who think vaccines are a good idea.  More people than not accept that sacrifices sometimes need to be made for the greater good.  That's not fascism.

Unvaxed are more vulnerable than vaxed people.  They should take extra precautions to avoid getting sick, such as staying home.

It’s fascism because it’s pseudoscience and disregards personal discretion.  There is no reason to require vaccinated people to mask up, unless the vaccines are ineffective.  Since vulnerable populations can be vaccinated, there’s no reason to impose mask mandates when the vaccinated vulnerable can freely choose to mask themselves.  Stupid government policies for stupid gullible people who don’t value freedom.   Most US states understand this.  Canada is China.  Top down directives imposed on powerless unquestioning people.  

[dialamah]

15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s fascism because it’s pseudoscience   

Pseudoscience is what informs people that Jews and Blacks are intellectually inferior to Whites, vaccines cause autism, and that that the Covid vaccine is ineffective at best and deadly at worst.

15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

and disregards personal discretion.

You have personal discretion, and also consequences.  That's life, get used to it 

15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Stupid government policies for stupid gullible people who don’t value freedom.  

I'd say the results prove that these policies reduce spread, since those regions who disregard them have consistently more cases and deaths than those who don't.  If you'd been paying attention you'd have noticed:. Case counts/hospitalizations go down, restrictions ease.  Case counts/hospitalizations go up, restrictions go up.  

You have the freedom not to wear a mask or vaccinate.  Freedom also means personal responsibility for your actions, and personal responsibility includes accepting the consequences of those choices.

Edited December 6, 2021 by dialamah

[Infidel Dog]

I go to this right wing archive site sometimes called Liberty Daily.

I get a kick out of the way he retitles some of the stories he links to.

The one for this story was relevant to our discussion here and gave me a smile:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/new-york-city-to-mandate-covid-19-vaccines-for-private-sector-workers_4140868.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily

LD titled it:

Democrat Nazism: New York City to Mandate Fake “Vaccines” for Private Sector Workers in Clear Nuremberg Code Violation

Take that Godwin.