Canada at the start of Delta dominated fourth Covid wave, so get vaccinated to save lives.

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Still pulling that 99.98% number out of your ass I see.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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200,757,712 

view by country

Deaths:

4,266,363

Only 2% of the confirmed cases ended up with a fatal result.

1) that number doesn't include many other people who were infected and didn't go to see a Dr

2) that number includes millions of people who were infected but remained asymptomatic. Considering #'s 1 & 2, the number of infected people could be in the billions. No one knows, because so many people remain asymptomatic.

3) that number includes people who were already dying, whose deaths were just bumped up a few days by covid

4) that number includes people who only died because people like Andrew Cuomo forced covid into care homes

5) The vast majority of those deaths ocurred among people who were extremely elderly AND had co-morbidities. 

 

You have no choice but to admit that at the low end, covid has a 98% survivability rate. What do you think the survivability rate of covid would be for people who aren't over 75 with one or more co-morbidities Aristedes?  ? I just gotta know, for shits and giggles.

 

So, are you among those who are willing to see asymptomatic people locked up in quarantine centers where the dumbest among us expect them to die? 

Edited August 4, 2021 by WestCanMan

[QuebecOverCanada]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

Oh quit the hysteria. Its just a vaccine. I get one every year for the flu.

Ugh? What?

[OftenWrong]

44 minutes ago, RedDog said:

I’ve reached a point whereby I don’t want unvaccinated people around me. By and large I expect they’re people I didn’t want around me before either.

Maybe you should ask for blood- antibody test, before going on a date.

 

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

That's not the survival rate. and

The mortality rate is far less than 2%, and that number includes people over 75 with 1 or more co-morbidities.

 

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I still don't see how Trudeau benefits from people getting vaccinated. 

Authoritarians and socialists alike want a nanny state. Everyone at their mercy. That's what covid, along with the help of the CBC and CTV, delivered to Trudeau - a state where a large minority of the people exist on gov't handouts, and where the state's ability to deal with dissidents is massively increased, both by censoring them and [in the near future] locking them up in high-mortality-rate quarantines.

You've known for a long time that Trudeau does not like to tolerate dissenting opinions, and every day he gains a bit more control over what we're allowed to say, or do, even at our own cellular levels. He is gaining control like no other PM has ever had before.

[Infidel Dog]

19 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Walk me through this more power comment, If Justin wanted absolute power all he would have to do was declare it a national emergence and invoke the Canada emergence act giving him the power to do what basically  he wants to really...So how did we get to this is nothing more than a power grab. 

I believe the comment on "more power" was in response to Argus offering up stats of American states where their leaders were pushing the hysteria.

In America they are now pushing to bring back federal lockdowns, mask mandates and a federal registry for vaccine passports. I can show how that becomes a power grab if you like but I doubt I need to.

You want to talk Canada and that's justified going by the thread title. 

But it wasn't my point.

Edited August 4, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

But yeah...in general many in power (some would say most, some would say all) want more power.

[WestCanMan]

13 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

In America they are now pushing to bring back federal lockdowns, mask mandates and a federal registry for vaccine passports. I can show how that becomes a power grab if you like but I doubt I need to.

Ironically, the people who were calling voter ID racist are the exact same ones pushing for vaccine passports. 

Are they admitting to being racists themselves now? 

[Argus]

20 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I believe the comment on "more power" was in response to Argus offering up stats of American states where their leaders were pushing the hysteria.

Republican leaders.

20 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

In America they are now pushing to bring back federal lockdowns, mask mandates and a federal registry for vaccine passports. I can show how that becomes a power grab if you like but I doubt I need to.

Do explain to me how any of the politicians benefits from this. It damages the economy, makes people angry, hurts budgets and brings nothing in the way of additional benefits to politicians.

 

[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I believe the comment on "more power"

Covid has already been used as a reason for more censorship on social media. 

Honest to god, if Trudeau's evil minions could find a single inaccuracy in any of my posts they'd no doubt try to get me banned from this site. 

Controlling the narrative was Trudeau's 1st priority when he was elected, the first thing he did was shower the CBC with taxpayer dollars. The he gave 'select media outlets' another $600M, and what kind of perks do the sycophant media get when they're being jetted across the country to fawn on his election campaign? Of course we don't really know.

Now that he has censorship in his back pocket, he's on to vaccine passports, forced vaccinations, quarantines and he's trying to extend the nanny state.

 

Justin Trudeau, with a minority gov't in 2021, wields far more power over Canadians than Harper ever did, and Harper was elected to 3 majority gov'ts, with large majorities.

[Infidel Dog]

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

Do explain to me how any of the politicians benefits from this. It damages the economy, makes people angry, hurts budgets and brings nothing in the way of additional benefits to politicians.

 

I'll give you one quick example. Just tell me if you want more.

They were able to change election laws using a pandemic excuse allowing them to put in a dementia ridden puppet and a cackling, unpopular sidekick as leaders of the free world.

Also, even those who may not want more power sure seem reluctant to give up the power the pandemic gave them - Newsom, Whitmer, Cuomo.

 

Edited August 4, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

Republican leaders.

LMAO, I just gotta hear how you think the GOP are engaging in a power grab. Please elaborate as much as you want, and be specific. This will be one for the ages. 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Infidel Dog said:

Cuomo.

If you wrote a fictional novel about a governor who forced people that were infected with a pandemic (that was known to be lethal among seniors) into care homes, forced his minions to fudge the death statistics in his state to cover his tracks, received an Emmy for lying about his 'successful' fight against said pandemic, and then didn't have to resign or give back his Emmy after he was busted for all that murder and dishonesty, people would throw it in the garbage, unable to suspend their sense of disbelief for long enough to read another word.

But honestly, that's how stupid Demmie sycophants are.

If Trump forced sick people INTO care homes and forbade testing on them to see if they were still carrying the virus, the legions of leftards would instantly realize that it was nothing short of biological warfare/murder, but when they love the guy who's doing the killing, it's just an inconvenient truth that can be shuffled off to the side. Believe it or not, NYers are so stupid that they're more concerned about a bit of ass-grabbing.

And people wonder how Hitler and Chairman Mao got away with it. 

[Infidel Dog]

As to this idea of Argus's I was only referring to Republican leaders when talking how those in power want to retain their pandemic power or get more he needs to double-check his facts.

John Bel Edwards is a Democrat and Asa Hutchinson is a RINO which as far as I and many others not named Argus are concerned is pretty much the same thing.

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

And just like that, when faced with a virus that has a 99.98% survival rate, 

This is a lie and lies like this discourage people from getting the vaccines and some may die as a result. 

Out of one and a half million at least 25000 have died in Canada (likely more but their death never established). This alone is 98.3% survival rate and most of that is not even with the mutated Delta.

Edited August 4, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Only 2% of the confirmed cases ended up with a fatal result.

1) that number doesn't include many other people who were infected and didn't go to see a Dr

2) that number includes millions of people who were infected but remained asymptomatic. Considering #'s 1 & 2, the number of infected people could be in the billions. No one knows, because so many people remain asymptomatic.

3) that number includes people who were already dying, whose deaths were just bumped up a few days by covid

4) that number includes people who only died because people like Andrew Cuomo forced covid into care homes

5) The vast majority of those deaths ocurred among people who were extremely elderly AND had co-morbidities. 

 

You have no choice but to admit that at the low end, covid has a 98% survivability rate. What do you think the survivability rate of covid would be for people who aren't over 75 with one or more co-morbidities Aristedes?  ? I just gotta know, for shits and giggles.

 

So, are you among those who are willing to see asymptomatic people locked up in quarantine centers where the dumbest among us expect them to die? 

You claim that more people were infected than were confirmed but reject the idea that more people could have also died than were confirmed

As I said, a number that came out of your ass.

[Infidel Dog]

I don't know...

I could believe you two seeming followers of the Covid inquisition or I could believe Ron De Santis, Governor of Florida.

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Ron DeSantis

 

@GovRonDeSantis

·

Sep 23, 2020

 

CDC recently updated estimated infection fatality rates for COVID. Here are the updated survival rates by age group:

0-19: 99.997%

20-49: 99.98%

50-69: 99.5%

70+: 94.6%

[Infidel Dog]

Speaking of De Santis...that was back in September. There could very well be a new American spike in cases and the Governor gives you a common sense explanation of one reason why.

Also he offers up the rationale to preferring a choice driven solution to what the Pandemic power-mad are wanting to mandate on people.

 

Edited August 4, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Aristides]

25 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Speaking of De Santis...that was back in September. There could very well be a new American spike in cases and the Governor gives you a common sense explanation of one reason why.

Also he offers up the rationale to preferring a choice driven solution to what the Pandemic power-mad are wanting to mandate on people.

 

I didn't know age was a choice.

[Aristides]

39 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I don't know...

I could believe you two seeming followers of the Covid inquisition or I could believe Ron De Santis, Governor of Florida.

"

 

 

Ron DeSantis

 

@GovRonDeSantis

·

Sep 23, 2020

 

CDC recently updated estimated infection fatality rates for COVID. Here are the updated survival rates by age group:

0-19: 99.997%

20-49: 99.98%

50-69: 99.5%

70+: 94.6%

65 and older is Florida's largest age demographic.

[Aristides]

Florida hit a record 12,408 hospitalized with Covid today. Canada has less than 1000.

 

Florida Covid patients are taking up 22.56% of total in-patient beds.

 

Edited August 4, 2021 by Aristides

[Infidel Dog]

26 minutes ago, Aristides said:

65 and older is Florida's largest age demographic.

Have you honestly not figured out by now I'm going to double-check your BS claims.

Out of 19 million  3 were 65 and up in Florida.

[Aristides]

8 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Have you honestly not figured out by now I'm going to double-check your BS claims.

Out of 19 million  3 were 65 and up in Florida.

It is still the largest demographic of the four you posted.

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

 

In America they are now pushing to bring back federal lockdowns, mask mandates and a federal registry for vaccine passports. I can show how that becomes a power grab if you like but I doubt I need to.

You want to talk Canada and that's justified going by the thread title. 

But it wasn't my point.

I honestly can not draw a line from pandemic to power grab either in the US or Canada. Keeping in mind this is a global pandemic Who is is behind this power grab, and why ?

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I honestly can not draw a line from pandemic to power grab either in the US or Canada. Keeping in mind this is a global pandemic Who is is behind this power grab, and why ?

No kidding. This would be the first thing in history that almost every government in the world has agreed on yet somehow it is a conspiracy.

[Argus]

50 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No kidding. This would be the first thing in history that almost every government in the world has agreed on yet somehow it is a conspiracy.

And managed to recruit all the doctors, nurses, health care workers and scientists into the conspiracy...