Popular Post Argus Posted February 11, 2020 Popular Post Report Posted February 11, 2020 The ongoing protests in BC, Ontario and elsewhere show the depths of ignorance, stupidity and vapid self-indulgence we've come to expect from much of the activist and progressive populations, along with the sheer bloody cowardice of our governments. Recall, the pipeline being protested was signed off on by the elected chiefs and band councils of the tribes in the area. The 'hereditary' chiefs tried to get elected in opposition to the pipeline, and failed. From which we can determine the natives in the area didn't care what they had to say and wanted the pipeline and the money and jobs that would bring. No matter. A chance to protest pipelines?! Progressives aren't gonna miss that if they have the slightest excuse! Watch them standing their, chins elevated, filled with the sense of righteous self-granted nobility and arrogance you only see from those with an enormous regard for themselves. They're 'standing with the natives'! Well, not the actual natives, just the 'hereditary chiefs', who should be in charge, you know! This democracy stuff was imposed by colonialism (yes, they say this. The bunch sitting on the rail tracks are much the same. Some of them are Mohawks, Many aren't. The Mohawk chief says he didn't authorize any protest and neither did the band council. No matter. The OPP is standing around shaking in terror at the thought of having to say "Boo' to a native. Meanwhile in Vancouver, the police arrested angry people trying to pull down the barricades natives and their far left allies erected in the middle of the road. Arrest the protestors? Oh no! The horror! The horror! Run away! Run away! (that seems to be the motto of both Canada's governments and its police departments whenever native protesters show up). I'm reminded of a movie called Soylent Green, a cult hit. In one of the scenes, these huge garbage trucks with their scoopers on the ground in front of them move into protesting crowds, scoop them up and dump them into the back of their trucks, to be carted out and processed as food. Excellent idea! I'm sure they'd all be delighted at being recycled into dog food. They're all environmentalists, after all. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/stephen-ledrew-canada-should-enforce-the-law-with-wetsuweten-anti-pipeline-protests?video_autoplay=true 3 2 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted February 11, 2020 Report Posted February 11, 2020 800 arrests basically stopped logging where I lived. There does come a point when governments give up. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted February 11, 2020 Report Posted February 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: 800 arrests basically stopped logging where I lived. There does come a point when governments give up. I agree that jailing a large number of people isn't feesable. I'd issue massive fines to each of them. Quote
eyeball Posted February 11, 2020 Report Posted February 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, Shady said: I agree that jailing a large number of people isn't feesable. I'd issue massive fines to each of them. And if they tell the judge to go piss up a rope you'll merely put off the day you have to arrest them. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted February 11, 2020 Report Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, eyeball said: And if they tell the judge to go piss up a rope you'll merely put off the day you have to arrest them. I’d just have the ministry of finance enforce the fine and garnish wages. Quote
Argus Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Shady said: I agree that jailing a large number of people isn't feesable. It's entirely feasible. Jam them into cages and leave them there. None of them are worth anything anyway. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, Shady said: I’d just have the ministry of finance enforce the fine and garnish wages. You think any of these bums work for a living? 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, eyeball said: 800 arrests basically stopped logging where I lived. There does come a point when governments give up. Let them give up and stop protecting the protesters and things would end real fast. Only the OPP standing in the way of people kept the Caledonia protest - and protesters - alive as long as it did. Without the OPP all those protestors would have been dead in a ditch. Even in the lefty city of Vancouver the protestors would get bashed and thrown aside if the police weren't protecting them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted February 11, 2020 Report Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Argus said: It's entirely feasible. Jam them into cages and leave them there. None of them are worth anything anyway. You just get home from a Trump rally or something? 1 hour ago, Argus said: Let them give up and stop protecting the protesters and things would end real fast. Only the OPP standing in the way of people kept the Caledonia protest - and protesters - alive as long as it did. Without the OPP all those protestors would have been dead in a ditch. Even in the lefty city of Vancouver the protestors would get bashed and thrown aside if the police weren't protecting them. Too bad we don't have any 2nd Amendment folks eh? I'm curious about why you're so eager to empower the same dictatorship you otherwise spend all day warning people about? Send Alberta's oil east, south, refine it where it is or better yet leave it in the ground. But sending it to China just seems nuts on all counts. I doubt they'll process bitumen or burn the finished products in environmentally responsible ways and yeah, empowering the biggest most aggressive dictatorship on the planet, in the mood this world is in right now, just seems completely insane. I can't help but wonder if protesters were blocking oil pipelines for that reason that the government probably would unleash the scoops. There's a 'good' reason why dictators have enjoyed a renaissance in terms of acceptability and respectability in the west in recent years. Edited February 11, 2020 by eyeball 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 11, 2020 Report Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shady said: I’d just have the ministry of finance enforce the fine and garnish wages. The moment your strategy to fine became apparent would be when people would show up without ID meaning you'd still have to arrest everyone and then spend even more time figuring out who was who. A strategy of passive utterly uncooperative resistance whereby protesters basically just become like a thick coating of gunk that slows down everything will work. It just depends on the level of resistance. I saw it at work and it worked. There were a few people like Argus who called for the RCMP to let counter-protesters take care of things and a few who were on the brink of doing so but I suspect all it would have done is harden protesters feelings while increasing their numbers of sympathizers. Edited February 12, 2020 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted February 12, 2020 Report Posted February 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: The moment your strategy to fine became apparent would be when people would show up without ID meaning you'd still have to arrest everyone and then spend even more time figuring out who was who. A strategy of passive utterly uncooperative resistance whereby protesters basically just become like a thick coating of gunk that slows down everything will work. It just depends on the level of resistance. I saw it at work and it worked. There were a few people like Argus who called for the RCMP to let counter-protesters take care of things and a few who were on the brink of doing so but I suspect all it would have done is harden protesters feelings while increasing their numbers of sympathizers. No, not at all. Finger print or facial recognition technology can easily identify people. Regardless, why are you defending lawlessness? Would you feel the same about people doing something similar to an abortion clinic? 1 Quote
eyeball Posted February 12, 2020 Report Posted February 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Shady said: No, not at all. Finger print or facial recognition technology can easily identify people. Regardless, why are you defending lawlessness? Because I'm basically an anarchist whose convinced we have nothing to lose because we're going over a cliff otherwise. Besides I have grandkids so... Quote Would you feel the same about people doing something similar to an abortion clinic? No feel free to scoop those fucking assholes. And yes I do drive my car to the climate change rally - by myself in the HOV lane if I feel like it. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted February 12, 2020 Report Posted February 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: Because I'm basically an anarchist whose convinced we have nothing to lose because we're going over a cliff otherwise. Besides I have grandkids so... No feel free to scoop those fucking assholes. And yes I do drive my car to the climate change rally - by myself in the HOV lane if I feel like it. That’s what I figured. You’re an unserious person. A so-called anarchist sometimes, a government lap dog other times. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted February 12, 2020 Report Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Argus said: It's entirely feasible. Jam them into cages and leave them there. None of them are worth anything anyway. You're basically Jesus. 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
cannuck Posted February 12, 2020 Report Posted February 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Shady said: I’d just have the ministry of finance enforce the fine and garnish wages. To have wages, they would have to have a job. If they had a job, they could not be hanging around smoking dope and 'protesting". 1 Quote
Argus Posted February 12, 2020 Author Report Posted February 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: You're basically Jesus. No, I'm a law and order conservative who especially doesn't like violent offenders. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted February 12, 2020 Report Posted February 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Shady said: That’s what I figured. You’re an unserious person. A so-called anarchist sometimes, Sure I'm serious and have a very rational reason for feeling anarchic. I would certainly prefer law and order along with scientific evidenced based policy but in lieu of that I'd prefer total global socio-economic collapse and sooner rather than later. Quote a government lap dog other times. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
OftenWrong Posted February 12, 2020 Report Posted February 12, 2020 You’re feeling anarchic? What’s that like... whimsical, bold, fresh and free? More like an anarchaic, I’ll wager... Quote
eyeball Posted February 12, 2020 Report Posted February 12, 2020 Feels like creative destruction but maybe the archaic simply need a shovel upside the head. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 12, 2020 Report Posted February 12, 2020 Heard in Canada on Tuesday: Quote "Who do you serve ? Who do you protect ? Get your boots off Native necks !!! " ....nice. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Army Guy Posted February 12, 2020 Report Posted February 12, 2020 22 hours ago, eyeball said: The moment your strategy to fine became apparent would be when people would show up without ID meaning you'd still have to arrest everyone and then spend even more time figuring out who was who. A strategy of passive utterly uncooperative resistance whereby protesters basically just become like a thick coating of gunk that slows down everything will work. It just depends on the level of resistance. I saw it at work and it worked. There were a few people like Argus who called for the RCMP to let counter-protesters take care of things and a few who were on the brink of doing so but I suspect all it would have done is harden protesters feelings while increasing their numbers of sympathizers. DO you think it is really that easy, once arrested they confine you , until you agree to pay a bond or someone else agrees to pay the bond, if not and they can't ID you, or your not paying well there is your bunk have a nice stay...if you do pay the bond but don't show up to court they place an arrest warrant out for you, where once rearrested you go to jail until the court decides what to do with you....in the mean time they are locked up , no more protesting for you....problem solved have you meet bubba your new roommates. 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Queenmandy85 Posted February 13, 2020 Report Posted February 13, 2020 While I generally understand and respect First nations, I would like to ask this tiny minority where are their protests in support of the Kootenai first nation who have never ceeded their traditional homeland in South-Western Alberta they were forcibly removed from by the Blackfeet? What about the Sinixt nation who were enslaved and forced from their traditional lands in the northern west Kootenay by the Shushwap, or the genocide of the first nation in the eastern arctic at the hands of the Inuit? Slavery, colonialism, and genocide are not activities confined to Europeans. 1 1 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
eyeball Posted February 13, 2020 Report Posted February 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Army Guy said: DO you think it is really that easy, once arrested they confine you , until you agree to pay a bond or someone else agrees to pay the bond, if not and they can't ID you, or your not paying well there is your bunk have a nice stay...if you do pay the bond but don't show up to court they place an arrest warrant out for you, where once rearrested you go to jail until the court decides what to do with you....in the mean time they are locked up , no more protesting for you....problem solved have you meet bubba your new roommates. Now multiply that by a couple thousand, 5000, 10000... the province gave up after 800 hereabouts. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 13, 2020 Report Posted February 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: While I generally understand and respect First nations, I would like to ask this tiny minority where are their protests in support of the Kootenai first nation who have never ceeded their traditional homeland in South-Western Alberta they were forcibly removed from by the Blackfeet? What about the Sinixt nation who were enslaved and forced from their traditional lands in the northern west Kootenay by the Shushwap, or the genocide of the first nation in the eastern arctic at the hands of the Inuit? Slavery, colonialism, and genocide are not activities confined to Europeans. Well, I guess by that token Canada is free to invade the Wet'suwet'en and settle it the traditional way. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Zeitgeist Posted February 13, 2020 Report Posted February 13, 2020 It’s getting dangerous. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-canada-is-turning-into-a-mob-city-while-trudeau-remains-silent Read the above article and then read the brilliant comment posted below it: https://nationalpost.com/news/john-ivison-canada-is-turning-into-a-mob-city-while-trudeau-remains-silent?__vfz=medium%3Dcomment_share#vf-57e150e9-95ca-434d-9fe8-049746a97674 This is major. Trudeau better get on the job of leading, up to and including War Measures Act. Let’s see if he can summon “Just watch me.” If not, I worry for this country. 2 Quote
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