egghead Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rue said: .... The vast majority of immigrant prospects coming to Canada are going through many rules and regulations and judged on whether they have skills and language ability. It is not easy as some think. There is also a bad tendency to lump legitimate immigrant prospects who are doing the right thing and come to Canada following all the rules and then working with these others taking advantage of loopholes. ....... I totally disagree with Trudeau's policies on Immigration law. He has undermined the system by allowing a ridiculous loophole. I detest how he used Syrian refugees as props for a photo op and went running to do a photoop crying at a fire in Halifax with Syrian refugees. That is the reason that we have immigration lawyer immigration consultant. Actually, it is not 100% (may be 99%) on JT. JT could not do what László Toroczkai did; it will upset his base I blame it on this . Did any leftist media brother to check his background before put it on the news? Edited March 31, 2019 by egghead
Realitycheck Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Saudi Monitor said: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said In short, every child is born in a state of fiṭrah, a state of innate goodness while the social environment may cause the individual to drift away from this state, which is a state of natural conformity between human nature and Islam (Submission to God). There has been several non-muslim experts in various fields whose conformed childrens innate belief in God, even popular atheist have admitted that. Now why so many different religions? People form their beliefs on the amount of data that they have at hand due to various limitations such as environments. This why the Prophet (pbuh) made clear that the normative intuition may be used by a child’s parents to foster incorrect beliefs and that Allah had to send Prophets to remind humanity of the truth. Thus, according to Islam, the amount of available data is a necessary condition towards belief formation. There are so many different theories on politics, economics, morals etc, but you seem perfectly fine inspecting them all and picking the one you think is true. Only when it comes to God, all of a sudden your brain conveniently shuts down. There is no god. Only fools believe there is. Mo didn't fly up to some imaginary heaven on a winged horse either.
Argus Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 11 hours ago, marcus said: I guess we should put you on the list of people who do not know what they're talking about when it comes to immigration. Besides a local police check, each individual applying to immigrate to Canada receives a background check which goes through numerous lists including interpol, cross referenced with a shared database with the U.S., several European countries, Australia, U.A.E, Saudi Arabia and several other databases. Which is what I've always said. They check if you have a criminal record or are on a list of known terrorists. That's it. There is nothing more. Nothing stops ISIS members, few of whom are on any list, from passing through. And nothing stops countries like China from including all manner of intelligence operatives in the immigration queue from their country either. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 11 hours ago, marcus said: You have it all wrong. Building infrastructure should not be a burden. Infrastructure has to be updated and improved all the time. It also stimulates economies. Agreed. But we're not doing that. And haven't for many years. 11 hours ago, marcus said: Also, we have more and more baby boomers going into retirement and they become a burden to our healthcare system. With the decreasing birthrate, we are not able to pay for their services. And bringing in tens of thousands of people every year destined for life on welfare or in minimum wage jobs is going to pay for their services? 11 hours ago, marcus said: When you bring in immigrants in their 20s and early 30s, they end up working and paying taxes to pay for these services. And when you bring in immigrants in their 60s and 70s they wind up consuming them without paying a dime. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 11 hours ago, marcus said: It's funny watching the culture of victimhood and the whining by the far right on this board crying about their fears of terrorism by immigrants while Canada has experienced the recent killings by a far right extremist and the jaw dropping increase in crime committed by the far right. Citation please. 1 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Owly Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 11 hours ago, marcus said: It's funny watching the culture of victimhood and the whining by the far right on this board crying about their fears of terrorism by immigrants while Canada has experienced the recent killings by a far right extremist and the jaw dropping increase in crime committed by the far right. Similar to the US, past and present.
Argus Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Rue said: In fairness to you all your descriptions about Immigration law are 100% accurate. There is a loophole allowing illegal migrants from the US to claim refugee status right now. Most will be rejected as refugees on the grounds they came from a safe third country that they should have made their refugee claim in. A federal court ruled that unconstitutional last week and said all refugee claimants had to be treated the same regardless of the safe third party rule. The Federal Court has struck down one of the last remaining planks of a controversial revamp of the refugee asylum system introduced with great fanfare by the Harper government as a way to root out what it called bogus claims. On Wednesday, Justice Keith Boswell declared it is “unconstitutional” for Ottawa to treat refugees from so-called “safe countries” differently from other refugees when it comes to being assessed to determine if deporting them would put them in danger. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/03/22/court-calls-canadas-treatment-of-safe-country-refugees-unconstitutional.html "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Owly Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 28 minutes ago, Argus said: A federal court ruled that unconstitutional last week and said all refugee claimants had to be treated the same regardless of the safe third party rule. The Federal Court has struck down one of the last remaining planks of a controversial revamp of the refugee asylum system introduced with great fanfare by the Harper government as a way to root out what it called bogus claims. On Wednesday, Justice Keith Boswell declared it is “unconstitutional” for Ottawa to treat refugees from so-called “safe countries” differently from other refugees when it comes to being assessed to determine if deporting them would put them in danger. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/03/22/court-calls-canadas-treatment-of-safe-country-refugees-unconstitutional.html They either have a valid claim or they don't. If they don't they get deported. With Trump in power it might be doubtful if the US is a "safe country" especially if you're not white. 1
taxme Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 20 hours ago, jacee said: So ... the topic is far-right terrorists, and the far-right posters won't talk about that problem. They only, as always, want to bash immigrants. Figures. Well, maybe that is why the so called "far-right terrorists and far-right posters" are here? To talk about the present day Canadian immigration policy that is messing up this country. No one is bashing immigrants here. We are bashing our immigration system. Go figure that one out.
Argus Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Owly said: They either have a valid claim or they don't. If they don't they get deported. With Trump in power it might be doubtful if the US is a "safe country" especially if you're not white. Why? Because Trump removed the temporary right of Haitians to stay there which was instituted after the earthquake? Canada removed that right before the US did. Because the US is disallowing economic migrants? I agree with them. We should too. White has nothing to do with it except there are damn few white refugee applicants. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Owly Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Argus said: Why? Because Trump removed the temporary right of Haitians to stay there which was instituted after the earthquake? Canada removed that right before the US did. Because the US is disallowing economic migrants? I agree with them. We should too. White has nothing to do with it except there are damn few white refugee applicants. Trump has gone on record claiming immigrants are "murderers, they're rapists, and I guess some are good people" and also that the neo Nazi's at Charlottesville were "good people". That would likely scare the hell out of anyone who has a valid refugee claim. And of course most are not coming from Haiti. Sorry there aren't enough white people fleeing starvation and violence for ya. 1
GostHacked Posted April 1, 2019 Report Posted April 1, 2019 The last couple pages here have been fucking garbage. What stupidity are you idiots engaging in? Stop it. PLEASE.
Charles Anthony Posted April 1, 2019 Report Posted April 1, 2019 Folks, Stay on topic and avoid personal attacks. GH is right. I took down some garbage. Do not make anybody repeat themselves. You all know the rules and the expectations and the consequences. We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
Argus Posted April 1, 2019 Report Posted April 1, 2019 On 3/31/2019 at 3:59 PM, Owly said: Trump has gone on record claiming immigrants are "murderers, they're rapists, and I guess some are good people" and also that the neo Nazi's at Charlottesville were "good people". That would likely scare the hell out of anyone who has a valid refugee claim. And of course most are not coming from Haiti. Sorry there aren't enough white people fleeing starvation and violence for ya. Why are you introducing skin colour into the discussion? Has anyone mentioned it before? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted April 1, 2019 Report Posted April 1, 2019 On 3/30/2019 at 7:09 AM, jacee said: The average income for Canadians is about $51,000 a year. So about half of all Canadians earn more than $51,000 and about half earn less. So until about 12 years in the country, immigrants (with about half of other Canadians) manage to get along while earning less than $51,000 per year. Does that clarify? That would depend on what source you use, these source say different, the Average Median income in Canada is over $70,000, says census, meaning both incomes equals 70,000...much less than your avg being 51,000, which would drive the median income well over 100 k per average houshold income.... I can you this the average income in New Brunswick does not even come close to 51 k a year...you would be hard pressed to find any of the average incomes any where in the Maritimes... https://www.macleans.ca/economy/median-income-in-canada-is-over-70000-says-census/ https://globalnews.ca/news/3828447/canada-middle-class-income-inequality/ Over half of Canadians are $ 200.00 shy of not being able to pay their bills....I'm pretty sure they are not making 51,000.00 a year.... https://globalnews.ca/news/3434447/over-half-of-canadians-are-200-or-less-away-from-not-being-able-to-pay-bills/ So I'll ask the question again, it takes immigrant 12 years to make what the average Canadian makes, how are they filling the gaps to survive, are they on some kind of governmental assistance like a lot of other Canadians....considering over 1/2 of Canadians are only 200 dollars shy of not being able to pay their bills.... We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 1, 2019 Report Posted April 1, 2019 On 3/31/2019 at 7:42 AM, Michael Hardner said: Such a basic point and yet nobody seems to understand. And it would be if there was not such a huge deficit of infra structure in this country, being held back for lack of funding..Hard to build it and get all the benefits from it if one can not afford to build it in the first place, I think that would place it in the burden category would it not. We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 1, 2019 Report Posted April 1, 2019 On 3/31/2019 at 2:25 AM, marcus said: I guess we should put you on the list of people who do not know what they're talking about when it comes to immigration. Besides a local police check, each individual applying to immigrate to Canada receives a background check which goes through numerous lists including interpol, cross referenced with a shared database with the U.S., several European countries, Australia, U.A.E, Saudi Arabia and several other databases. Just one question, how does one check local police depts. when they have been destroyed by conflict such as Syria, how does one do a proper back ground check when these individuals say they have no paper work, such as pass port or valid ID, how does one process all these security checks in refugee camps in the middle of no where, with out intra net, and poor phone comms…. So a terrorist operating in Syria with no criminal record on inter pol, the US, or any other euro country , who claims he has lost his papers, how is he processed....these are questions that the Canadian military pers asked when assisting in processing Syrian refugees in refugee camps...did I mention they were on a time constraint as well to met Justin deadlines....Answer they is no way to properly vet them, except through a one on one interview …. We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jacee Posted April 1, 2019 Author Report Posted April 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Army Guy said: That would depend on what source you use, these source say different, the Average Median income in Canada is over $70,000, says census, meaning both incomes equals 70,000...much less than your avg being 51,000, which would drive the median income well over 100 k per average houshold income.... I can you this the average income in New Brunswick does not even come close to 51 k a year...you would be hard pressed to find any of the average incomes any where in the Maritimes... https://www.macleans.ca/economy/median-income-in-canada-is-over-70000-says-census/ https://globalnews.ca/news/3828447/canada-middle-class-income-inequality/ Over half of Canadians are $ 200.00 shy of not being able to pay their bills....I'm pretty sure they are not making 51,000.00 a year.... https://globalnews.ca/news/3434447/over-half-of-canadians-are-200-or-less-away-from-not-being-able-to-pay-bills/ So I'll ask the question again, it takes immigrant 12 years to make what the average Canadian makes, how are they filling the gaps to survive, are they on some kind of governmental assistance like a lot of other Canadians....considering over 1/2 of Canadians are only 200 dollars shy of not being able to pay their bills.... I quoted average individual income. You quoted median household income. We're both right. Lol Yes, it varies by province, and that's why I used the Canadian average, and because that's what the statement was that we're responding to: It takes an average immigrant 12 years to reach the average Canadian income. Lots of Canadians (about half) live on incomes below $50k. There are lots of minimum wage jobs (~$25-$30k) and lots of people do live on that. Likely many would be newer immigrants. Welfare for an individual is about $10k. There is no financial assistance for anyone making that or more (except for children, disabled, senior, unemployed). As for paying bills ... it depends what your bills are for. Many people can't afford to own houses or vehicles.
WestCanMan Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 On 3/31/2019 at 3:08 AM, Saudi Monitor said: In short, every child is born in a state of fiṭrah, a state of innate goodness while the social environment may cause the individual to drift away from this state, which is a state of natural conformity between human nature and Islam (Submission to God). There has been several non-muslim experts in various fields whose conformed childrens innate belief in God, even popular atheist have admitted that. Now why so many different religions? People form their beliefs on the amount of data that they have at hand due to various limitations such as environments. This why the Prophet (pbuh) made clear that the normative intuition may be used by a child’s parents to foster incorrect beliefs and that Allah had to send Prophets to remind humanity of the truth. The part about "fostering incorrect beliefs" and "reminding people of the truth" reeks of hubris and it is highly offensive. In this country you need to respect the fact that other people's beliefs are no more "incorrect" than your own if you, in turn, would like respect. Your "truth" is blasphemy to some and comedy to others, it's only "truth" for those who choose to believe. If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
DogOnPorch Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The part about "fostering incorrect beliefs" and "reminding people of the truth" reeks of hubris and it is highly offensive. In this country you need to respect the fact that other people's beliefs are no more "incorrect" than your own if you, in turn, would like respect. Your "truth" is blasphemy to some and comedy to others, it's only "truth" for those who choose to believe. Islam views itself as the be-all and end-all of religions & political systems. It simply stamps-out all opposition...violently if needed...until all religion is for Allah. If you as an unbeliever must die to achieve this end...oh well...should have converted. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
marcus Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) On 3/31/2019 at 6:19 AM, egghead said: Just the CSIS and CBSA give security advice to IRCC, you just make it sound so secuity. Actually, it is the same process for all applications (immigraiton,. refugee, working permit, study permit, visa .....) Correct. It's CSIS and CBSA who give security advice to IRCC. So what? This is not a shortcoming. Those two organizations get their information from several other security organizations and databases from around the world. This is how things work and it's the best possible situation. Majority of refugees that come to Canada come through the UN. Pretty much all of them are families and are handpicked after spending a few years in refugee camps. Before Canada does their own background checks, these refugees have already gone through security clearances from the UN. One thing that many of you don't realize is that Canada has the luxury of being surrounded by water, except for the border with the U.S. This is why the recent movement from the U.S. is unprecedented. These are people who were escaping Trump's comments and policies and they were listening to rumours of what life would be like if they came up to Canada. It certainly didn't help that Trudeau fanned this image with his irresponsible, self serving comments. A majority of the people coming up to Canada will not be granted refugee status. Of course, it will still cost Canada money because there is a process involved. This would have happened if Harper was in power, because the Harper government would have had to follow the same rules as the Trudeau government. These people did not come up only because of Trudeau's words. They mostly came up because of Trump's policies. It doesn't matter if I dislike Trudeau, but it's important to be honest about what is really happening. All said, Canada doesn't have the same problem as countries in Europe where there are countless borders and people can come in without real checks and balances. We have it good here and the fear some in Canada are displaying towards immigrants is illogical. Stop blinding yourselves with the bogeyman. Stop worrying so much about religion. Religion is not the threat. Climate change is the real threat and the movement from climate refugees will be the real threat towards stability in the world. You guys are wasting so much energy on B.S. Put your energy towards pushing for cleaner and better technology to slow down the increase in temperature and to clean our waters and to create a more sustainable way of life. Edited April 2, 2019 by marcus "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
egghead Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, marcus said: Correct. It's CSIS and CBSA who give security advice to IRCC. So what? This is not a shortcoming. Those two organizations get their information from several other security organizations and databases from around the world. This is how things work and it's the best possible situation. Majority of refugees that come to Canada come through the UN. Pretty much all of them are families and are handpicked after spending a few years in refugee camps. Before Canada does their own background checks, these refugees have already gone through security clearances from the UN. I know that too; it is because it is on the leftist media once in a while (when the liberal gets into refugees touble). However, I beleive that was on paper now. We had saw few people jump the queue already , and we have one homicide. 1 hour ago, marcus said: One thing that many of you don't realize is that Canada has the luxury of being surrounded by water, except for the border with the U.S. This is why the recent movement from the U.S. is unprecedented. These are people who were escaping Trump's comments and policies and they were listening to rumours of what life would be like if they came up to Canada. It certainly didn't help that Trudeau fanned this image with his irresponsible, self serving comments. A majority of the people coming up to Canada will not be granted refugee status. Of course, it will still cost Canada money because there is a process involved. This would have happened if Harper was in power, because the Harper government would have had to follow the same rules as the Trudeau government. These people did not come up only because of Trudeau's words. They mostly came up because of Trump's policies. It doesn't matter if I dislike Trudeau, but it's important to be honest about what is really happening. All said, Canada doesn't have the same problem as countries in Europe where there are countless borders and people can come in without real checks and balances. We have it good here and the fear some in Canada are displaying towards immigrants is illogical. Stop blinding yourselves with the bogeyman. Stop worrying so much about religion. Religion is not the threat. Climate change is the real threat and the movement from climate refugees will be the real threat towards stability in the world. You guys are wasting so much energy on B.S. Put your energy towards pushing for cleaner and better technology to slow down the increase in temperature and to clean our waters and to create a more sustainable way of life. YOu are BS-ing. Please give us a break, you can save it
Yzermandius19 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) Canada's birth rate isn't high enough, if Canadian's don't have enough kids, then bringing in immigrants will be necessary to keep the population growing. Those immigrants are brought in by a merit based immigration system, for the most part, refugees are not the bulk of immigrants. Too many refugees can be a drain on resources, but most economic migrants add to the Canadian economy and reducing that kind of immigration makes little sense. Too many Canadians mistake American immigration policy for Canadian immigration policy, and project American problems on the Canadian system. Edited April 2, 2019 by Yzermandius19
egghead Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 31 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Canada's birth rate isn't high enough, if Canadian's don't have enough kids, then bringing in immigrants will be necessary to keep the population growing. Those immigrants are brought in by a merit based immigration system, for the most part, refugees are not the bulk of immigrants. Too many refugees can be a drain on resources, but most economic migrants add to the Canadian economy and reducing that kind of immigration makes little sense. Too many Canadians mistake American immigration policy for Canadian immigration policy, and project American problems on the Canadian system. legal immigrants (including the cheaters) are not the real problem. The real problem is the refugees from the US border.
Yzermandius19 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, egghead said: legal immigrants (including the cheaters) are not the real problem. The real problem is the refugees from the US border. Deport them after their claim is processed and denied, problem solved. Don't even have to change the law, that's already on the books. Edited April 2, 2019 by Yzermandius19
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